Afflalo- His midrange shot is tough, needs to hit the open guys more though

Melo- Terrible. Was playing hard on defense but he was terrible offensively, he kept on taking those stupid contested midrange shots instead of either moving the ball or going to the rim.

KP-This guy is going to be a bucket. I like how he handled himself in tough situations and can move quickly on offense. What I really love about him is that he knows his strengths and weakneses and plays to his strengths and is improving his weakneses(marginally) every game. I really hope our fan base shows support.

Lopez- He was off today. Pretty bad on the boards and couldn't catch the ball at all today.

WaltLongmire wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

WP76 wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:Glad to see Calderon and KP had decent games. DWill and Early looked pretty good too. Not thrilled at all about Afflalo's hammy acting up, but at least O'Quinn's injury was just temporary. Hoping Melo's cold spell ends tonight, regardless of how Clyde feels about it hahaaaa. Next stop, regular season! 0-0!

What were Clyde's comments?

A few games ago, I think it was the Wizards game, Breen mentioned Melo's obvious hot streak with his shooting. And Clyde said he didn't like it, that he didn't want to see it this early. I understand what he meant, but it still made me scratch my head. Why would you EVER prefer to see your star scorer experiencing a cold hand. Especially at the start of the season. He HAS to understand that it's crucial for this team to start the season very competitive, win or lose.

Shooter's superstition...don't use up those good shots when the games don't count.

Tend to think that Clyde is just fooling around with us on this.

Hahaaaa I hope so. But you're probably right. I hope.

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:KOQ with a terrible shot

Not a bad shot

You know who's shot is gross .... Rolo's hook shot is gross

I agree. Also, he missed with it a lot tonight.

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:KOQ with a terrible shot

Not a bad shot

You know who's shot is gross .... Rolo's hook shot is gross

I agree. Also, he missed with it a lot tonight.

Yeah, ugly isn't even the word for that shot. Uglier the further away he is from the hoop..It looks like he's got that shot with both hands, though. He actually connected on one with his left hand at one point--he was close to the basket for that one. Gotta fight for better position. I don't even wanna see him attempt those unless he's right there at the goal point blank. Dude's kinda of a mini black hole once he gets it in the post. Anyone else notice that? He's not that good of an offensive player to play like that. Unless he's got ideal position, I'd rather see him kick it back out and move it. Don't mind him squaring up and putting up a few jumpers from mid-range. Not as ugly and he can hit those..

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

What do you mean wins and losses isn't an issue this season?..Are u out of your mind?..Firstly, you have a roster with Melo, Calderon, RoLo, Affalo, Shasa, Seraphin, DWill, O'Quinn and Admundson..Well seasomed vets, exactly why doesn't wins matter??..Kerr won a title in his first year and played against Blatt who was also in his first year..Fisher now needs a few years to figure things out??..Secondly, Phil assembled this team with the intention of them playing well enough for a prospective big name free agent can fell he may be the final piece..Please stop the crazy talk..Under 28 wins, Fisher needs a new gig, under 25, Phil needs to join him...

I have never seem or heard a team stacked with vet players aren't trying to win because they are trying to get a feel for the system or coach is trying to figure out system and the rotation...

fisher made the statement, not me. i happen to agree with his statement, you don't. you think his statement is crazy, i think it is eminently reasonable. you don't like it then don't follow the team.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

What do you mean wins and losses isn't an issue this season?..Are u out of your mind?..Firstly, you have a roster with Melo, Calderon, RoLo, Affalo, Shasa, Seraphin, DWill, O'Quinn and Admundson..Well seasomed vets, exactly why doesn't wins matter??..Kerr won a title in his first year and played against Blatt who was also in his first year..Fisher now needs a few years to figure things out??..Secondly, Phil assembled this team with the intention of them playing well enough for a prospective big name free agent can fell he may be the final piece..Please stop the crazy talk..Under 28 wins, Fisher needs a new gig, under 25, Phil needs to join him...

I have never seem or heard a team stacked with vet players aren't trying to win because they are trying to get a feel for the system or coach is trying to figure out system and the rotation...

fisher made the statement, not me. i happen to agree with his statement, you don't. you think his statement is crazy, i think it is eminently reasonable. you don't like it then don't follow the team.

Wins and losses are always the issue unless you are the Sixers and that can't go on forever. Development and winning aren't mutually exclusive. Have to hope that both occur. KP's foul Woes will not be the story f the season though. Too many good things have been happening with the rest of the team.

i said kp's foul trouble *may* be the issue this season. the less he is on the floor the less triangle offense i see. if the aim is to build a foundation and something lasting, then it behooves fisher to develop his players to be able to run the offense more than 25-30% of the time. i am not saying it has to be all the time, but the essence of the offense is to become fluid and keep the defense guessing. when it is poorly run then it becomes robotic and predictable. right now it looks poorly run most of the time but the hope is that fisher tries to find a balance that does not kow-tow to weaknesses that *read* as strengths, which is the fool's gold approach that hacks like woodson champion, and career underachievers like melo thrive in at the expense of developing a true contender. by the way, iso melo is way way way more predictable than the triangle.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

What do you mean wins and losses isn't an issue this season?..Are u out of your mind?..Firstly, you have a roster with Melo, Calderon, RoLo, Affalo, Shasa, Seraphin, DWill, O'Quinn and Admundson..Well seasomed vets, exactly why doesn't wins matter??..Kerr won a title in his first year and played against Blatt who was also in his first year..Fisher now needs a few years to figure things out??..Secondly, Phil assembled this team with the intention of them playing well enough for a prospective big name free agent can fell he may be the final piece..Please stop the crazy talk..Under 28 wins, Fisher needs a new gig, under 25, Phil needs to join him...

I have never seem or heard a team stacked with vet players aren't trying to win because they are trying to get a feel for the system or coach is trying to figure out system and the rotation...

fisher made the statement, not me. i happen to agree with his statement, you don't. you think his statement is crazy, i think it is eminently reasonable. you don't like it then don't follow the team.

People always try to take statements and twist it to suit the narrative that they themselves advocate..No different here..

give us your interpretation of fisher's own words, which i quoted verbatim.

He is saying they have to establish a style of play defensively and offensively to win games..He doesn't want to make playoffs prediction but we will see how far it takes us..But we have to establish an identity for success going forward..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

What do you mean wins and losses isn't an issue this season?..Are u out of your mind?..Firstly, you have a roster with Melo, Calderon, RoLo, Affalo, Shasa, Seraphin, DWill, O'Quinn and Admundson..Well seasomed vets, exactly why doesn't wins matter??..Kerr won a title in his first year and played against Blatt who was also in his first year..Fisher now needs a few years to figure things out??..Secondly, Phil assembled this team with the intention of them playing well enough for a prospective big name free agent can fell he may be the final piece..Please stop the crazy talk..Under 28 wins, Fisher needs a new gig, under 25, Phil needs to join him...

I have never seem or heard a team stacked with vet players aren't trying to win because they are trying to get a feel for the system or coach is trying to figure out system and the rotation...

fisher made the statement, not me. i happen to agree with his statement, you don't. you think his statement is crazy, i think it is eminently reasonable. you don't like it then don't follow the team.

People always try to take statements and twist it to suit the narrative that they themselves advocate..No different here..

give us your interpretation of fisher's own words, which i quoted verbatim.

He is saying they have to establish a style of play defensively and offensively to win games..He doesn't want to make playoffs prediction but we will see how far it takes us..But we have to establish an identity for success..

ehhhh... he said nothing about establishing a style or establishing an identity. he said the short term goal is about the process of becoming good and establishing a foundation for success. this is longer-term than the team gelling over one season. the team may not gel enough to make the playoffs but we should be able to see "the process of becoming good."

what fisher is saying is that it's not *that* you win but *how* you win that matters.

He said nothing about what you are saying as well..You asked for my interpretation..At the end of last season when the Knicks won two meaningless games, Fisher said the Knicks come out to win every game..So he mantra this season is that we aren't trying to win games but how we win??..Crazy talk..Fisher isn't coaching Minny or Philly with first and second year players..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:during the broadcast fisher laid out the plan in no uncertain terms: "our short term goal this season is about a process of becoming good. and we'll see however far that takes us, but we have to build a foundation for success." so please lets cut the crap about playoffs or bust and win now. as i have maintained, the narrative arc for this team is two seasons. if you don't like the plan then don't follow the team. that said, i think the tipping point and the tension will be around how much triangle is utilized based on who can participate in it and who cannot, and how the rotation and minutes get farmed out from there. it will be fisher's biggest overarching goal, since wins and losses are not the issue this season.

calderon looks better but will continue to hurt the team on defense. porzingis's 3rd foul was b/c of jose getting beat by his man or not covering the passing lanes. he doesn't stop or disrupt anything. that said, if calderon can change his mindset to be more of a shooter-- something that wally alluded to-- it will be better for the triangle.

i like afflalo's midrange game. it suits the triangle... too bad he can't remain healthy-- that hurts the cause.

early is starting to look a bit more like an nba player, but still lacks fundamentals, like boxing out and three-quartering his man. he was atrocious at boxing out. there was a stretch of 2 minutes between the seven and five-minute mark where his defensive ineptitude allowed the celtics to build a lead, whereupon fisher had to call a timeout. i know many are pulling for him but i find it hard to root for a negative-sum player.

kp he really has some pretty moves 8-14 feet from the basket, but from 15-20 feet not so much. that's the dreaded "long two" territory. good court vision. they seem to run the triangle a bit more when he is on the floor. his length is going to bother a lot of frontcourt players in the nba.

williams continues to look good in an unstructured offense. he had a couple of pretty assists. he also looked a bit winded at times.

melo here's the ongoing issue with melo: he's mentally soft and when someone gets his dander up, like crowder did-- he takes too many contested shots. there are more than several crowders in the nba. how about running the triangle? what about hitting the open man? taking open shots? is it connected to kp not being out there with early foul trouble? fisher has got to intervene if this continues or the team will underachieve or be held back....

seraphin don't like his game or his lack of conditioning. he may yet be part of the rotation by default as the center behind lopez. not a fan.

the storyline for the season may be kp's foul trouble issues and how that reduces the amount of possessions where a triangle is run. tonight the knicks ran the triangle maybe 30% of the time, maximum. i also don't like the lack of fouls being drawn.

this is what i don't like about wally as a commentator: he does not tell the truth often enough. he loves how the triangle creates open shots and creates the two-man game. he loves how calderon is doing it all, playing great defense. no, wally.

What do you mean wins and losses isn't an issue this season?..Are u out of your mind?..Firstly, you have a roster with Melo, Calderon, RoLo, Affalo, Shasa, Seraphin, DWill, O'Quinn and Admundson..Well seasomed vets, exactly why doesn't wins matter??..Kerr won a title in his first year and played against Blatt who was also in his first year..Fisher now needs a few years to figure things out??..Secondly, Phil assembled this team with the intention of them playing well enough for a prospective big name free agent can fell he may be the final piece..Please stop the crazy talk..Under 28 wins, Fisher needs a new gig, under 25, Phil needs to join him...

I have never seem or heard a team stacked with vet players aren't trying to win because they are trying to get a feel for the system or coach is trying to figure out system and the rotation...

fisher made the statement, not me. i happen to agree with his statement, you don't. you think his statement is crazy, i think it is eminently reasonable. you don't like it then don't follow the team.

People always try to take statements and twist it to suit the narrative that they themselves advocate..No different here..

give us your interpretation of fisher's own words, which i quoted verbatim.

He is saying they have to establish a style of play defensively and offensively to win games..He doesn't want to make playoffs prediction but we will see how far it takes us..But we have to establish an identity for success..

ehhhh... he said nothing about establishing a style or establishing an identity. he said the short term goal is about the process of becoming good and establishing a foundation for success. this is longer-term than the team gelling over one season. the team may not gel enough to make the playoffs but we should be able to see "the process of becoming good."

what fisher is saying is that it's not *that* you win but *how* you win that matters.

He said nothing about what you are saying as well..You asked for my interpretation..At the end of last season when the Knicks won two meaningless games, Fisher said the Knicks come out to win every game..So he mantra this season is that we aren't trying to win games but how we win??..Crazy talk..Fisher isn't coaching Minny or Philly with first and second year players..

he will be trying to win games but not at the expense of building a foundation for substantive success. trying to win games the woodson way, ie fool's gold empty calorie wins in the regular season just doesn't cut it.

What I'm about to say isn't necessarily directed solely at you, but just an observation in general that I've been meaning to share for a few days now. I'm mentioning it now because you mentioned Woodson and the 'empty calorie wins' as you put it. There's something really important that a lot of folks here seem to be overlooking, and when I say important I mean really really important. JR Smith is no longer on this team. There now, don't you feel better already? I know I do.