SupremeCommander wrote:I thought the NYT summed this BS up quite nicely:

Based on what appeared to have happened — and Barnes’s longtime reputation as a hothead with a long list of behavioral transgressions, including accusations of domestic abuse — Fisher was first and foremost a victim, deserving of the “full support” offered by the Knicks and the right to deal privately with a personal situation.

But there is a bigger picture, even if it is one of perception. The head coach of an N.B.A. team is largely responsible for establishing and enforcing standards for player accountability, and now there are questions about what Fisher may have been up to when he left the team over the weekend to see his children, who live in Los Angeles, only to have the incident with Barnes occur at Govan’s home.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/sports/basketball/derek-fisher-kristaps-porzingis-knicks-dysfunction.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

The bolded sums up why I think Phil needs to say something, otherwise it just appears that the organization doesn't care that he was out womanizing, which led to a missed practice.

This whole thing pisses me off because no one is talking about KP or Grant or

I think that this sh1t is just gonna get worse.

And people keep saying that barnes is a bonehead ... whoTF cares about Barnes?

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

This is not about Barnes for us. Its about our coach that brought on a distraction.

Did anyone care about Mark Jackson's affair in GS? Of course they did ... call them purity police or whatever but this story better not get uglier.

You think that Pop is screwing around with his players reality star wives? If he was then it would be a story, especially coming off a 17 win season.

If you want people to look away then you'd better be winning games. If you are not then they will scrutinize the length of your beard.

Fish is free to date as is Gloria. Barnes certainly wasn't above chirping about dating Rihanna on TMZ Cameras!!! This isn't about Fish dating a former teammates estranged wife. This is about Barnes overreacting and getting violent. If Barnes handles things differently we never hear about this. What Barnes should've done was contact his wife and ask her to explain what was going on and that he was talking to their sons. I'm sure she would've calmly explained she had friends over.
There was no emergency that required Barnes to come over unannounced. Not based on his own explanation of why he went over there without talking to his wife. Dude CLEARLY was looking to sneak up on Fish and Gloria. This wasn't just about his kids.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

This is not about Barnes for us. Its about our coach that brought on a distraction.

Did anyone care about Mark Jackson's affair in GS? Of course they did ... call them purity police or whatever but this story better not get uglier.

You think that Pop is screwing around with his players reality star wives? If he was then it would be a story, especially coming off a 17 win season.

If you want people to look away then you'd better be winning games. If you are not then they will scrutinize the length of your beard.

Fish is free to date as is Gloria. Barnes certainly wasn't above chirping about dating Rihanna on TMZ Cameras!!! This isn't about Fish dating a former teammates estranged wife. This is about Barnes overreacting and getting violent. If Barnes handles things differently we never hear about this. What Barnes should've done was contact his wife and ask her to explain what was going on and that he was talking to their sons. I'm sure she would've calmly explained she had friends over.
There was no emergency that required Barnes to come over unannounced. Not based on his own explanation of why he went over there without talking to his wife. Dude CLEARLY was looking to sneak up on Fish and Gloria. This wasn't just about his kids.

again, who cares about barnes??? Geeez ... the guy is a tool, so what?? Stay away from your ex tool-friends ex.

foosballnick wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

This is not about Barnes for us. Its about our coach that brought on a distraction.

Did anyone care about Mark Jackson's affair in GS? Of course they did ... call them purity police or whatever but this story better not get uglier.

You think that Pop is screwing around with his players reality star wives? If he was then it would be a story, especially coming off a 17 win season.

If you want people to look away then you'd better be winning games. If you are not then they will scrutinize the length of your beard.

Why do you (and some others) care so much about who is sticking his dick in who? Is there really that little going on in people's lives that there is a "Real Housewives of the Knicks" fixation on everything that happens and everything that is said even outside of the Arena confines? The media cares about this because there are already way too many of them in NYC trying to drum up whatever attention by blowing up any story as much as they can get. The divorce rate in this country is over 50%. There are dating sites such as Ashley Madison devoted to sleeping around. Not sure why we hold a Basketball Player, Coach or otherwise to a higher social standard than we hold the rest of society.

Mark Jackson was a story because he professed to be a devout Christian and above all that....he was caught and the hypocrisy became a story. The only reason this is a story is because of Barnes' reaction and alleged physically abusive behavior towards Fisher and his estranged wife. That is why this is about Barnes. Without his reaction, there would be no story.

How about messing around with JR smiths ex? Would that be a dumb distraction?

How about if Fisher decided to date a porn star? Do you care? Maybe not but its a damn story.

And, this is NY and the NY media is what it is. You don't like it? That does not really matter.

Guess whats been on Yahoo front page all day?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

This is not about Barnes for us. Its about our coach that brought on a distraction.

Did anyone care about Mark Jackson's affair in GS? Of course they did ... call them purity police or whatever but this story better not get uglier.

You think that Pop is screwing around with his players reality star wives? If he was then it would be a story, especially coming off a 17 win season.

If you want people to look away then you'd better be winning games. If you are not then they will scrutinize the length of your beard.

Fish is free to date as is Gloria. Barnes certainly wasn't above chirping about dating Rihanna on TMZ Cameras!!! This isn't about Fish dating a former teammates estranged wife. This is about Barnes overreacting and getting violent. If Barnes handles things differently we never hear about this. What Barnes should've done was contact his wife and ask her to explain what was going on and that he was talking to their sons. I'm sure she would've calmly explained she had friends over.
There was no emergency that required Barnes to come over unannounced. Not based on his own explanation of why he went over there without talking to his wife. Dude CLEARLY was looking to sneak up on Fish and Gloria. This wasn't just about his kids.

again, who cares about barnes??? Geeez ... the guy is a tool, so what?? Stay away from your ex tool-friends ex.

The problem was Barnes behavior and not what Fish and Gloria were doing as two consenting adults. It's not Barnes job to regulate who Gloria dates. If he was concerned about his kids he could still have called her to voice his displeasure. There was no reason to get into it with Fish unless he knew Fish had done something to his kids, which he wasn't claiming. If Barnes doesn't lose it and attack Fish, none of this is an issue and we never likely even know about his private life. Despite Moralist's opinions, Fish didn't do anything wrong.

how about if fisher made a sex tape with jeanie buss and some shmo leaked it? You logic does not make sense. Don't care how and why it got out there.

This ain't happening to POP.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

anrst wrote:the only thing that legitimately matters is that fischer is a shown to be a phoney mo-fo with terrible judgement.

going and dating another active players ex is so stupid. and one that's on baskebtball wives at that.

It's easy to say that now cuz of what Barnes did. Fish was obviously being very discrete about what he was doing in his personal life. We would never even know about his relationship otherwise. He was at a gathering which is far from a situation where he was alone and caught in bed with her. They were in the yard chilling from all accounts. People are free to do what they want in their personal lives as long as it's not illegal. I don't like the PURITY police telling Fish what he can and can't do in his off time. This is about Barnes going off like a crazy Ex.

This is not about Barnes for us. Its about our coach that brought on a distraction.

Did anyone care about Mark Jackson's affair in GS? Of course they did ... call them purity police or whatever but this story better not get uglier.

You think that Pop is screwing around with his players reality star wives? If he was then it would be a story, especially coming off a 17 win season.

If you want people to look away then you'd better be winning games. If you are not then they will scrutinize the length of your beard.

Fish is free to date as is Gloria. Barnes certainly wasn't above chirping about dating Rihanna on TMZ Cameras!!! This isn't about Fish dating a former teammates estranged wife. This is about Barnes overreacting and getting violent. If Barnes handles things differently we never hear about this. What Barnes should've done was contact his wife and ask her to explain what was going on and that he was talking to their sons. I'm sure she would've calmly explained she had friends over.
There was no emergency that required Barnes to come over unannounced. Not based on his own explanation of why he went over there without talking to his wife. Dude CLEARLY was looking to sneak up on Fish and Gloria. This wasn't just about his kids.

again, who cares about barnes??? Geeez ... the guy is a tool, so what?? Stay away from your ex tool-friends ex.

The problem was Barnes behavior and not what Fish and Gloria were doing as two consenting adults. It's not Barnes job to regulate who Gloria dates. If he was concerned about his kids he could still have called her to voice his displeasure. There was no reason to get into it with Fish unless he knew Fish had done something to his kids, which he wasn't claiming. If Barnes doesn't lose it and attack Fish, none of this is an issue and we never likely even know about his private life. Despite Moralist's opinions, Fish didn't do anything wrong.

how about if fisher made a sex tape with jeanie buss and some shmo leaked it? You logic does not make sense. Don't care how and why it got out there.

This ain't happening to POP.

How do you know what Pop would do when he was younger and had a shot at a hot chick like this? You think it would be Pop's fault if his woman EX got heated and came after him. You think that can't happen regardless of the former teammates dynamic? Estranged Husbands and Wives go nuts all the time even when they don't know the person their Ex is messing with. So it's not about the relationship between Fish and Barnes. Barnes could be nuts and act the same way even if it wasn't Fish but some other dude. Given his explanation that it was about his kids contacting him. It could've been any guy she dated. This is really about Barnes not being able to get over his Ex Wife and being jealous.

alright ... I give up. This about barnes.

ChuckBuck wrote:Since we're Knicks fans, this is a Knicks forum, and alot of us have lived or are living in NY....this is 100000000000000000000000% about the man that's coach of the Knicks.

We don't care about Barnes fake tough guy tantrum routines.....we care that Knicks coach Derek Fisher was part of it.

It always takes 2 to tango, in this case 3, but for Knicks concern, it's about Fisher bringing an unnecessary circus to town...

Reminds me of the time Kris Humphries dated Kim Kardashian....he was never able to live that down!

Dated? He married that Skank!

Where is the circus around the team? You think there not a lot of distractions with every team with multimilliare ball players? Dirk was engaged to a felon, DRose being accused of rape, Harden wears the wrong sneakers, Durant a free agent and lord knows what else that don't hit the media but real life stuff!

Jason Kidd had lots of drama in his career and did just fine. Spree was the king of chaos!!! "Great team mate" but sometimes he'd leave Cali and make a few stops on his way to camp in NY. Maybe he make it, maybe he don't.

But coach has a drama ex husband confrontation and some think the knicks are all up in arms about it. Basically, the players really don't freaking care about it. Do you car if one of your co-workers or boss has a girlfriend problem?

I would care more if one of Fish's kids got real sick again, then he'd be distracted. Go Go Gloria is a nice piece, but we talking about a media event, cuz if it was not barnes, it would not be on TV.

"The revolution will not be televised" but it seems everything else is!!!