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ChuckBuck
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7/15/2015  11:39 PM
Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.

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7/15/2015  11:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  11:45 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.


The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??
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7/15/2015  11:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.


The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??

What else do I want? Just told you in the post you just quoted.

Average more than 3 assists, shoot over 50%, advance deeper than the 2nd round.

Also stop saying "I" or "myself". Maybe drop a "we" from time to time.

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7/16/2015  12:07 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.


The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??

What else do I want? Just told you in the post you just quoted.

Average more than 3 assists, shoot over 50%, advance deeper than the 2nd round.

Also stop saying "I" or "myself". Maybe drop a "we" from time to time.


What I or myself stuff??..U are making stuff up like Harvey..Dude plays hard to win..It bothers him when he loses..I'm good with that..One of the first thing you said was Melo tech company bothered you..If that's not jealousy I don't know what is....Melo doesn't own a tech company he just invest in tech companies..

It takes a team to advance deeper in the playoffs..We suck since he got here..He has had to carry the scoring load since he got here and has been begging for another player to help him..You will see his assist increase at that point..

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7/16/2015  12:13 AM
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crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.

This is really reminding me of the lead up to Marbury's exit here. When D'Antoni didn't tell Marbury he wasn't starting til opening night. I don't think Phil or Fisher will do that. But the message to Melo is CRYSTAL CLEAR right now. Or it should be. Be a team player, help build something, or we can all move on.

That shouldn't be a slight to Melo at all. He should be thrilled, honestly. But he's been coddled so long I think he'll take it as an insult, as Marbury did and as Melo's fans are doing now.

I have never loved Melo. I respect his all world scoring ability. Dislike his personality. My favorite time of the Melo years was honestly when he sat out with an injury and we got Linsanity. If he buys in, I'll root for him. If he doesn't, I hope we can arrange a trade quickly.

d'antoni didn't want marbury on the team let alone as a starter. marbury would have been okay as a sixth man on a d'antoni team. anthiny is in a similar situation-- an overrated vet who is being exposed as difficult to play with and whose best role is off the bench where he can do his thing against inferior competition. both are numbskulls.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/16/2015  12:17 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.


The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??

What else do I want? Just told you in the post you just quoted.

Average more than 3 assists, shoot over 50%, advance deeper than the 2nd round.

Also stop saying "I" or "myself". Maybe drop a "we" from time to time.

So you panties are all caught in bunches over 3 more assist..bite me..

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7/16/2015  12:18 AM
Dam! "Bite Me"

All I said is average more than 3 assists. Is that a basketball sin???

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7/16/2015  12:20 AM
Better to wait until we see things unfold on the basketball court. All this talk yet the team can possibly gel nicely and have a solid season.
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7/16/2015  12:32 AM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.


Melo is the least of our worries..I'm just not obsessed with everything Melo and blame him for everything including world poverty..I do see our other short coming that most haters never see..Hoe about we start with getting another player on the team so Melo doesn't feel he has to carry the team night in and night out...I would love to see another guy lead the team in scoring..

you have it backwards. he has no choice to do what he does because he is incapable of making others around him better through defense and playmaking. amazing how you cling to this ridiculous interpretation of basketball.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/16/2015  12:37 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:So holfresh? Individual or Team?

I'm always about the team but I'm not delusional..We ain't winning many games without Melo..All u hate dudes are so caught up in Melo's money and moves he makes off the court..Most of you sound jealous..You want the athlete to be hat in hand apologizing for his success it seems..I see guys insulting his wife..I'm just amazed..I could care less what Melo does outside the Knicks..Dude making up stuff about what Phil is thinking and in some way it maginalizes Melo..So writer feels good about himself..Fans join in thinking that it's some sort of payback to Melo..U know what they call people who roots for against people due to their success??..Losers..

i'm not jealous of him-- he can choke on his money and i wouldn't care-- but i am offended by his greed and hubris and stupidity. i didn't insult his wife i just laughed at her fake tits and fake ass. you like fakes, i don't.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/16/2015  12:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015  12:45 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.


Melo is the least of our worries..I'm just not obsessed with everything Melo and blame him for everything including world poverty..I do see our other short coming that most haters never see..Hoe about we start with getting another player on the team so Melo doesn't feel he has to carry the team night in and night out...I would love to see another guy lead the team in scoring..

you have it backwards. he has no choice to do what he does because he is incapable of making others around him better through defense and playmaking. amazing how you cling to this ridiculous interpretation of basketball.


I don't trust u as a person who knows what he is talking about..You whiffed miserably on your analysis of the summer league..Many have chastised you for you lack of interpretation of what you are seeing..

You rarely post anything basketball isn't related to Melo..Are you a Melo ciber stalker?

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7/16/2015  12:43 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.


The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??

What else do I want? Just told you in the post you just quoted.

Average more than 3 assists, shoot over 50%, advance deeper than the 2nd round.

Also stop saying "I" or "myself". Maybe drop a "we" from time to time.


What I or myself stuff??..U are making stuff up like Harvey..Dude plays hard to win..It bothers him when he loses..I'm good with that..One of the first thing you said was Melo tech company bothered you..If that's not jealousy I don't know what is....Melo doesn't own a tech company he just invest in tech companies..

It takes a team to advance deeper in the playoffs..We suck since he got here..He has had to carry the scoring load since he got here and has been begging for another player to help him..You will see his assist increase at that point..

omfg dude-- he forced his way here before the trade deadline and the knicks gave up the assets he could have had success with had he only waited for free agency. he could have taken less money and gone to a better winning situation but he stayed and took the MONEY. he does NOT want to win he wants MONEY. and now he doesn't want to interact with the new personnel and has had to resort to damage control thanks to his ridiculous tweets.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/16/2015  12:48 AM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.


Melo is the least of our worries..I'm just not obsessed with everything Melo and blame him for everything including world poverty..I do see our other short coming that most haters never see..Hoe about we start with getting another player on the team so Melo doesn't feel he has to carry the team night in and night out...I would love to see another guy lead the team in scoring..

you have it backwards. he has no choice to do what he does because he is incapable of making others around him better through defense and playmaking. amazing how you cling to this ridiculous interpretation of basketball.


I don't trust u as a person who knows what he is talking about..You whiffed miserably on your analysis of the summer league..Many has chastised you for you lack of interpretation of what you are seeing..

You rarely post anything basketball isn't related to Melo..Are you a Melo ciber stalker?

wake the **** up man. everything i have foreseen tends to come to fruition. you want to hold my feet to the fire over cleanthony early, ledo, wear, thanasis, and the french guy please file away these posts for your regular-season cannon fodder. i am more than ready to eat my words if i am proven wrong. meantime all i get from you when i have shown you truth is crickets and bullfrogs.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/16/2015  12:54 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.


Melo is the least of our worries..I'm just not obsessed with everything Melo and blame him for everything including world poverty..I do see our other short coming that most haters never see..Hoe about we start with getting another player on the team so Melo doesn't feel he has to carry the team night in and night out...I would love to see another guy lead the team in scoring..

you have it backwards. he has no choice to do what he does because he is incapable of making others around him better through defense and playmaking. amazing how you cling to this ridiculous interpretation of basketball.


I don't trust u as a person who knows what he is talking about..You whiffed miserably on your analysis of the summer league..Many has chastised you for you lack of interpretation of what you are seeing..

You rarely post anything basketball isn't related to Melo..Are you a Melo ciber stalker?

wake the **** up man. everything i have foreseen tends to come to fruition. you want to hold my feet to the fire over cleanthony early, ledo, wear, thanasis, and the french guy please file away these posts for your regular-season cannon fodder. i am more than ready to eat my words if i am proven wrong. meantime all i get from you when i have shown you truth is crickets and bullfrogs.


You have foreseen trends??..you are more blind that a bat...I have proven it time and time again until it finally dawn on me u have no clue what you are talking about..I had to go back spend time looking for post after post where u were wrong that you denied saying some of those proclamations..Am I lying???..Are u really going to challenge me on this??
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7/16/2015  1:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015  1:08 AM
Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..
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7/16/2015  2:47 AM
Some Knick fans are just as worst as these journalists with the unwarranted hate for Melo. Melo is cool in my book and i hope he plays well next season and retires a Knick
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7/16/2015  6:49 AM
holfresh wrote:The dude wants to win .....


.... As long as he doesn't have to even try on defense
..... As long as he gets his max dollars, choking out the team from getting more help on the roster
....... As long as it doesn't interfere with "forcing" his way to NY, gutting them of asset to help build a team around him
....... As long as it doesn't require him to bite his tongue and stop saying stupid/anti team things in the press
....... As long as he's not holding himself accountable to show up year after year in elite condition


Most of the people who criticize Melo on this board do so SPECIFICALLY. They point out VERY SPECIFIC THINGS. Melo's biggest ball lickers on this board either ignore those points or try to obscure them.


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I'll call headquarters, tell 'em.
Sensitivity training it is.
This could open up another whole can of worms.
Well, you know what, Jer? Worms have rights too.
God, Laura, this **** doesn't mean anything around here, okay? I call Tommy a mick, he calls me a spic.
Sean calls Mike a stupid guinea-- Hey! I know, I know.
You're not stupid.
The point is this.
We all use every ethnic and personal slur in the book against each other.
- You name it, we say it.
- It's true.
Cock breath.
- Shithead.
- Ass wipe.
- Numb nuts.
- Ball face.
- Shit for brains.
- Dip****.
- Pussy.
- Prick.
- Dick.
- Scumbag.
- Dick face.
- Uh, ape ass.
- Ape face.
- Pencil dick.
- Tight ass.
- Needle dick.
- That's not even getting into any of the gay stuff.
- Well, that's debatable.
Yeah, but nobody's been emotionally affected by the words we just used.
Right? Yeah.
What were those things you were saying about the ape things? Look, we're getting off the point here, okay? The point is, when I run into a burning building, I don't go in with the Bible in my back pocket or with God at my side.
I run in with a couple of pieces of steel in my hand and you guys-- all of you guys.
And if we're lucky enough to make it back here alive, part of the job is sitting down and owning up to the mistakes you made.
Like the probie today-- He screwed up and he owned up.
That's the deal.
You can't legislate courage.
You can't run down to headquarters and buy yourself a big bag full of balls.
There's no judge on Earth who can order you to give enough of a **** about other people that you go running into eight floors full of flame.
It takes guts.

You let Lou down, he called you a twat.
Get over it.
The real issue is, next time we're in a fire, are you gonna be where you're supposed to be-- watching somebody else's back, okay? Twat, cwat, bitch or twunt-- Do your job the right way, people'll call you names you wanna hear.

DO YOUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PEOPLE'LL CALL YOU NAMES YOU WANT TO HEAR.


DO YOUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PEOPLE'LL CALL YOU NAMES YOU WANT TO HEAR.


DO YOUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PEOPLE'LL CALL YOU NAMES YOU WANT TO HEAR.


DO YOUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PEOPLE'LL CALL YOU NAMES YOU WANT TO HEAR.


Holfresh, in a community full of men, does this concept actually need to be explained to you. Are you so pathetic and so ignorant of the basics of how a team or teamwork operates that you fail to actually understand this simple concept?


MELO, DO YOUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY, PEOPLE'LL, INCLUDING FANS, THE PRESS AND PEOPLE IN THE NBA WILL CALL YOU NAMES YOU WANT TO HEAR.


No one is asking Melo to save the world. People are asking that Melo do THE BARE MINIMUM EXPECTED OF A PROFESSIONAL NBA PLAYER. And if you want to force your way into the NY limelight and demand to be the Alpha Dog and drive off any other chance for leadership on the roster, then you must lead.

Holfresh, if you want to call yourself an NBA fan, fine. If you want to call yourself a Melo fan, fine. But if you want to call yourself a Knicks fan, don't even bother. Because you'd rather defend Melo's behavior, that costs the Knicks as a team and costs them wins, than see the Knicks win period. In my book, that makes you a traitor. I might disagree with Briggs or RonRon or nixluva or whomever. I might find them to be jerks or think they have no idea how to build an NBA team. They might hate me back. But at least they operate with loving the Knicks and wanting the Knicks, as a team, to win. At least there's that. For whatever difference I have with them, at least they aren't traitors. When any player doesn't play the right way, doesn't do right by his team, he spits on his franchise, his sport, his fans and his host city. When Melo doesn't play the right way, he's spitting on you, but you seem to love it. But maybe it's what a traitor deserves.


When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and your teammates. And the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back. - Herb Brooks

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7/16/2015  6:59 AM
This thread is very entertaining
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7/16/2015  7:08 AM
Just to throw some facts around Melos Ws48 since he joined the Knicks
157
160
184
172
97
Barring last season they have been really good for the most part..
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7/16/2015  7:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015  7:47 AM
TPercy wrote:Just to throw some facts around Melos Ws48 since he joined the Knicks
157
160
184
172
97
Barring last season they have been really good for the most part..

There's a difference between "really good" and "good enough to have the largest contract on the planet" though.
You also have to consider the projected decline for someone in their 30s in general, and even more so with his overall wear and tear recent and injury.
It's a bad way to use 124 mil IMO even if he's a reasonably good player.
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