Having said that, The main reason I really don't like the Afflalo and RoLo moves is because they aren't 'part of the future' moves. They're each stopgaps all the way and aren't part of any future. We're not building a thing with either guy. They're both as good as gone as soon as the season's over. So much for trying to building something sustainable for now..

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:After months of speculation of possibly obtaining the number one pick and cap space to sign the best free agents who wants to play in NY..Back to reality, eh Knick fans...

Yea instead of
Towns, Monroe, Affalo

We get
Kp(who I love) Lopez, Affalo

Yuck!!!

The life of a Knick fan. How in the world are we going to win a championship during Melo's tenure? Just be honest. Do you really think we are beating the best of the proved East let alone the West? This is a perennial 5-8th seed team. 1st/2nd round knockout. Woodson had a better team in 2012-13 with Melo Amare Tyson & Kidd.

This is why we traded Tyson, Shump & JR for and got ZERO value back to get cap space?

Let that sink in a moment. Don't tell me tell me the Knicks are acquiring I drafted dleague guys and stashing some Euros. I don't want to here it. We bent over backwards for cap space to acquire Affalo & Lopez???? Let that sink in!

I'm glad everyone is giddy. Everyone was giddy after acquiring bargnani, jason smith, Sam dalembert & Calderon too. Some even thought we'd win 50+ games the past 2yrs!

If not for the prospects of Porzingis becoming a special player I'd probably give this team up for good. What a joke

The only thing I can say is don't judge based on the names. It's about how all the parts fit together. If the team improves that was step one. We can't say it's only a success if we have Monroe and a total fail if instead we have Lopez. Monroe was better offensively and Lopez defensively. In the end their impact should be a lot closer than it may seem. Look at how they ranked on the WS48 advanced stats list I had for FA's. They were very close. Ranked 17th and 19th.

Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7

Weren't you dissing Lopez not too long ago..He game improved when the Knicks got interested?

As I said to someone else. It's all relative. I obviously DIDN'T think he was bad given his placement on my WS48 list which i've had for months. Anyone on that list was considered a better than average player in the league. Now among the players on that list there was a clear upper echelon and Lopez wasn't at the very top. He was in the middle. My post above is taken from my list so once again I clearly didn't think Lopez sucked. That makes sense.

you called him mediocre, that's a fact. don't hide behind this "he was on my list" crap, that's bull****

TPercy wrote:Official Depth Chart
PG: Grant;Caledron; Galloway
SG: Afflalo; nobody;ledo
SF:Melo;thanasis;early
PF:Porzingis; nobody; nobody
C:Robin Lopez; nobody;nobody

We are sooo ready!!

Finestrg wrote:

TPercy wrote:Official Depth Chart
PG: Grant;Caledron; Galloway
SG: Afflalo; nobody;ledo
SF:Melo;thanasis;early
PF:Porzingis; nobody; nobody
C:Robin Lopez; nobody;nobody

Most likely fill-ins if I had to guess right now:

PG: Grant;Caledron; Galloway
SG: Afflalo; Shved;ledo
SF:Melo;thanasis;early
PF:Porzingis; Lavoy Allen; Derrick Williams
C:Robin Lopez; Ovidijus Galdikas

Two guys I'd like to see compete for the 15th spot: Jerrelle Benimon or Khem Birch.
Also like the idea of making a trade for that Euro. PF Minny has the rights to.

Finestrg wrote:You know what -- we're actually damn lucky to have Robin Lopez lined up with this stipulation if you think about it.. How many guys would agree to be on standby and play second fiddle to a primary choice like DeAndre Jordan? We're pretty lucky RoLo is OK to wait this out and not field other offers for himself in the meantime. Warmed up to him just a little because of it.

Having said that, The main reason I really don't like the Afflalo and RoLo moves is because they aren't 'part of the future' moves. They're each stopgaps all the way and aren't part of any future. We're not building a thing with either guy. They're both as good as gone as soon as the season's over. So much for trying to building something sustainable for now..

This is my problem with the team - trying to stay competitive and also rebuild. It's a fine line to try to walk.

Robin Lopez, though, if he works out could be a center here for the next 4-5 years. Afflalo feels more like a short term thing but who knows.

Also, agreed. I can't believe ROLO would agree to that contract with that stipulation. I wish we'd stop jerking him around and just sign him. DeAndre ain't coming here. I guess ROLO really wants to be in the same city as his brother.

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:You know what -- we're actually damn lucky to have Robin Lopez lined up with this stipulation if you think about it.. How many guys would agree to be on standby and play second fiddle to a primary choice like DeAndre Jordan? We're pretty lucky RoLo is OK to wait this out and not field other offers for himself in the meantime. Warmed up to him just a little because of it.

Having said that, The main reason I really don't like the Afflalo and RoLo moves is because they aren't 'part of the future' moves. They're each stopgaps all the way and aren't part of any future. We're not building a thing with either guy. They're both as good as gone as soon as the season's over. So much for trying to building something sustainable for now..

This is my problem with the team - trying to stay competitive and also rebuild. It's a fine line to try to walk.

Robin Lopez, though, if he works out could be a center here for the next 4-5 years. Afflalo feels more like a short term thing but who knows.

Also, agreed. I can't believe ROLO would agree to that contract with that stipulation. I wish we'd stop jerking him around and just sign him. DeAndre ain't coming here. I guess ROLO really wants to be in the same city as his brother.

Remember that no contracts are actually "signed" until July 9th. All of these things are verbal agreements.

This approach is a solid one. Just make incremental improvement and develop your young talent which has significant upside. It's our young players that need to be the future of the team. Having vets like Afflalo here for the short terms is just what we need as the YOOTS develop. The hope is that they develop sooner than later. But we can't guarantee how fast a player will develop. This is a good process. The vets we have aren't really in the way of the kids because they aren't long term contracts. Phil will continue to add youth behind the vets both with the big team and the D League team.

Finestrg wrote:You know what -- we're actually damn lucky to have Robin Lopez lined up with this stipulation if you think about it.. How many guys would agree to be on standby and play second fiddle to a primary choice like DeAndre Jordan? We're pretty lucky RoLo is OK to wait this out and not field other offers for himself in the meantime. Warmed up to him just a little because of it.

Having said that, The main reason I really don't like the Afflalo and RoLo moves is because they aren't 'part of the future' moves. They're each stopgaps all the way and aren't part of any future. We're not building a thing with either guy. They're both as good as gone as soon as the season's over. So much for trying to building something sustainable for now..

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:You know what -- we're actually damn lucky to have Robin Lopez lined up with this stipulation if you think about it.. How many guys would agree to be on standby and play second fiddle to a primary choice like DeAndre Jordan? We're pretty lucky RoLo is OK to wait this out and not field other offers for himself in the meantime. Warmed up to him just a little because of it.

Having said that, The main reason I really don't like the Afflalo and RoLo moves is because they aren't 'part of the future' moves. They're each stopgaps all the way and aren't part of any future. We're not building a thing with either guy. They're both as good as gone as soon as the season's over. So much for trying to building something sustainable for now..

This is my problem with the team - trying to stay competitive and also rebuild. It's a fine line to try to walk.

Robin Lopez, though, if he works out could be a center here for the next 4-5 years. Afflalo feels more like a short term thing but who knows.

Also, agreed. I can't believe ROLO would agree to that contract with that stipulation. I wish we'd stop jerking him around and just sign him. DeAndre ain't coming here. I guess ROLO really wants to be in the same city as his brother.

smackeddog wrote:The thing I don't get with Robin Lopez, is if he's Brooks identical twin, why doesn't he have the same foot issues? Shouldn't they be the same structurally?

Knicksfan wrote:

TPercy wrote:Official Depth Chart
PG: Grant;Caledron; Galloway
SG: Afflalo; nobody;ledo
SF:Melo;thanasis;early
PF:Porzingis; nobody; nobody
C:Robin Lopez; nobody;nobody

We are sooo ready!!

To win almost 30 games next season? I can't wait!