gunsnewing wrote:I beg to differ Martin. Fiorina can't be trusted but the democratic candidates don't stand a hands against any of the remaining republican candidates imho

Beg to differ about what? Fiorina, Carson, Trump are reality show politicians.

Guns, you haven't once offered any type of real information when you post about any candidate or any type of political discussion. I love you man but offer something tangible. Just because someone speaks with bluster - Trump, Fiorina - doesn't mean they offer anything. Dig into the details of what they say and what they propose and how they plan to get to the place they want America to go.

Fiorina is a flat out liar. Everyone knows this. Trump is less of a liar and has zero heft with plans for a better America; repeating that you will make America great again is fluff, anyone can do that with gusto, Trump just has the advantage of $ in his bank account, nothing more nothing less.

I am not really high on Hilary but she has produced a ****-ton of detailed plans of what she would do to make America better, she just don't put on a ****-show like Trump so her policies are not on TV as much. Same with Bernie.

The Republican lineup is a clown show. Trump for long months at a time DECLARED that Obama was not born in the USA and also stated that he had evidence of it. Same with stating that **** about Obama being a Muslim.

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I beg to differ Martin. Fiorina can't be trusted but the democratic candidates don't stand a hands against any of the remaining republican candidates imho

Beg to differ about what? Fiorina, Carson, Trump are reality show politicians.

Guns, you haven't once offered any type of real information when you post about any candidate or any type of political discussion. I love you man but offer something tangible. Just because someone speaks with bluster - Trump, Fiorina - doesn't mean they offer anything. Dig into the details of what they say and what they propose and how they plan to get to the place they want America to go.

Fiorina is a flat out liar. Everyone knows this. Trump is less of a liar and has zero heft with plans for a better America; repeating that you will make America great again is fluff, anyone can do that with gusto, Trump just has the advantage of $ in his bank account, nothing more nothing less.

I am not really high on Hilary but she has produced a ****-ton of detailed plans of what she would do to make America better, she just don't put on a ****-show like Trump so her policies are not on TV as much. Same with Bernie.

The Republican lineup is a clown show. Trump for long months at a time DECLARED that Obama was not born in the USA and also stated that he had evidence of it. Same with stating that **** about Obama being a Muslim.

The Obama is a Muslim thing is beyond stupid but it doesn't change anything for me. I still think Trump is the most likely to fix our major issues like outsourcing. He can't be bought out.

I' e always admired Bill Clinton. He can fix a broken system and spread the funds around for all Americans. Here is a man who loves his country and actually shook things up and helped us prosper. I don't really trust Hilary as a politian. I don't trust her to have final
say on crucial matters. As long as Bill is healthy I think we can all find comfort in knowing that when it comes to economics Bill is amongst the best we've had. He knows his stuff. He rails off statistics that are imbedded in his brain.

You see I'm really not looking forward to another election that is all centered on breaking new ground. Because while everyone celebrates it the key issues go unsolved. Just go back to all the promises Obama made. What has he done for us? Obamacare? Is that a success? The search for Bin Laden was on going. What has he done for the poor and inner city crime? Race relations are worse than they've been in 25yrs maybe more. I'm sure Hilary will do a ton for women's rights. I'm for more qualified women in power and management position. I'm all for more blacks in position of authority. What has Obama done to positively influence Black Americans? Especially in places like Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago etc. He hasn't done enough. Instead he took a stance that cops are corrupt. He could've brought peace during that tumultuous time. Who can be a more positive influence on these communities than this President? But no, he's been too busy vacationing like every other failed President and making appearances at sporting events

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gunsnewing wrote:No question about that. I made that very clear earlier in the thread. Coincidently putting a stop to outsourcing is one of Trump's main priorities but people will continue to focus on racism and the things he said about women when he was an entertainer. It's not rocket science and Truml gets it. Brings jobs back to America. Decrease the national debt and everyone is happy, busy working,'and less time and need for violent crime

Trumps first "Detailed" plan increates the national debt. So already he has failed?

I don't think so but even if there are holes in his plan Have more confidence in him doing whatever it takes to fix the debt. Whereas the other candidates will ignore it like their predecessors and only the 1% will continue to prosper

Trump was great tonight. You know if he came in with the demeanor he has shown over the last week--it would all be over. The guy is just motivated and dedicated--I think when we go beyond the BS--hes the best candidate

gunsnewing wrote:Trump is definitely not in this for the campaign money

LOL

gunsnewing wrote:Might be a lot of money for the other candidates but Trump probably has more money in his dress shirt pocket

Trump is in it to raise his brand. Same as Fiorina, Huckabee, Cruz, Carson, Jindal, Santorum. They all know they can't win, might as well get book deals, speaking fees and Fox News commentary jobs.

gunsnewing wrote:Sorry you feel that way Martin. I'm just very frustrated with everything that's been going on. Do you agree that this country is as divisive as its ever been in our life time. The President's actions are making things worst. That is my opinion. How are stricter gun laws going to stop a deranged individual? Why was this Oregon kid singling out Christians? What made him think it was ok to do this? Were all the Christians killed evil? Clearly the kid is nuts but why did he single them out? Inread the articles I retract my statement that Obama is worthless. I'm glad he has addressed Chicago. Somethings are out of his control but I can't help to think how much better off we would be with a different leader

I can understand the frustration, but to go as far as call someone a worthless human being and a worthless leader is beyond frustration, it's ignorance without doing your due diligence on the subject.

Our country is as divisive as ever but I would argue that the President's actions are NOT making things worse. Find the source of it man. In this particular instance, the President has begged, pleaded, called for action, spoke about it in his freaking State of the Union addresses, and yet the Republicans have not even called for a VOTE on legislation that is sitting before them, legislation that a good majority - somewhere around 60% depending on what you ask, poll or whatever about it - of Americans agree with and think this would make a better nation around gun control. The Republican party is measured by their individual votes and stances according to the NRA, which is just really a big old lobbying arm for the gun manufacturers. From the Speaker on down, they take money from the NRA, vote according to the wishes of the NRA, get rated by the NRA, etc. and they are scared as **** to bring up legislation around this.

There are many studies, use Google to research yourself, around some sensible laws in Connecticut and perhaps Maryland that show that putting into place background checks before buying (or perhaps selling or both) guns reduces gun violence/deaths. One-to-one correlation? Who knows, but there is a trend there.

All I want is for people to keep asking questions and continue to demand change and not let corrupt government politians & corporations walk over us I will be happy. Hopefully our leader will is strong enough to fight for us. Unfortunately Obama does not have everyone's support and trust. I don't think we will prosper until we are united as a nation. Sadly that may never happen and we will continue to self destruct