fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

MS wrote:We essentially gained nothing since Phil took on Calderon for two more years losing 500k of room. I feel like there was a better deal to be made out there if you packaged tyson and iman together initially.

Well, yeah. The Tyson trade is still a really bad trade but this is one is actually good. We're dumping JR's salary and getting back a real asset all for the price of Shumpert.

Yeah, if these reports are true, then Phil followed up several gutters with a strike here.

That's what I am seeing. You dump Jr by giving up a guy you weren't resigning. That's a good thing

gunsnewing wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Glad for Shump...he goes from 5-31 to LeBron. Not bad.

Not bad at all. I am really happy for him

whats with the shumpert boner still? dude is always injured and never improved. why are you "happy" for him? what did he do here that was so great?

F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Dolan wins big on this trade. I think hes going to save like 20mm $ because of luxury taxes. At the end of the day we get rid of JR's salary next year and a 2nd rounder. I can accept that--cap space is important. The deal is good solid.

No this deal is awful, it means we're to grossly

Overpay someone next year and I mean way overpay

Look we needed a pick we could use right away, It's real simple we're rebuilding

There are no free agents that will put us over the top next year

Probably not even a top 8 team

A 2019 pick 2nd rounder is about as irrelevant as it gets

Why are we counting Dolan's pennies now

We used to threaten to match contracts up to a billion dollars

AND IT'S NOT YOUR OUR MONEY

So let the space roll over to the year after and/or go after multiple pieces. That's what should happen, if it does? I cannot say.

But even if we don't get a first there is no way this deal can be interpreted as bad even if you compare it to some hypothetical Clippers deal from the year before. We don't know and cannot know how close anything came to being done and regardless, the past is the past. Only the future matters. If we missed on trading Shump last year that's irrelelvant to me because more importantly we clear out future salary and a guy I can't stand in JR Smith.

Now you can say that because Phil has only made bad moves so far future cap space is no big deal cause he's just going to fuhuck it all up and make more bad moves. Fine. But there is a chance, not sure what it is numbers wise, but there is a chance with cap space Phil will sign some good players and some semblance of a team will be put forward. As a knicks fan all I can do is HOPE that that happens. What's the point of just assuming doomsday is coming? That's just grating. I can be pessimistic on Phils gm'ing skills so far and still hope the guy gets it together. That's all I'm saying. That's LITERALLY all I can hope for as a knicks fan.

Also, we now have 3 roster spots for prospects and this will ensure more losing to further the tank effort. Always a good thing.

Decent trad for the knicks

Awful trade for OkC.

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS · 30s30 seconds ago
For New York, this was the best Shumpert deal on the table for them because it allowed them to dump J.R. Smith in the process

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Glad for Shump...he goes from 5-31 to LeBron. Not bad.

Not bad at all. I am really happy for him

whats with the shumpert boner still? dude is always injured and never improved. why are you "happy" for him? what did he do here that was so great?

gunsnewing wrote:So what is the official deal. Who are we getting back besides the 2019 second rounder and cap space?

The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement in principle to acquire New York Knicks guards J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert in a multi-team trade that also sends guard Dion Waiters to the Oklahoma City Thunder, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Oklahoma City will give the Cavaliers a protected future first-round draft pick and send guard Lance Thomas to the Knicks, league sources said. As part of the trade, the Cavaliers will send rookie center Alex Kirk, forward Lou Amundson and a 2019 second-round pick to the Knicks, sources said.

For New York, the deal is a salary dump to clear cap space. The Knicks unload the $6.4 million owed to Smith next season.

A trade call with the league is expected to take place later Monday night after the Cavaliers', Knicks' and Thunder's games, sources said.

The Knicks also will waive center Samuel Dalembert, a league source said. His contract would've become fully guaranteed for the season if he remained on the roster through Wednesday.

Can Alex Kirk be anything redeemable, this trade just isn't good

he has been a real disappointment of late. definitely time to move on.

Good deal. I am intrigued by the guys coming back maybe there is something there?