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dk7th
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12/15/2014  7:21 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Did you watch the summer league game where they showed part of the interview and Hahn explained the context? Also, in terms of the contract, it took a first round pick being included to move that deal.

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

short of being deposed by a lawyer you will never get a straight answer out of crushalot but lets try:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks

this is an article that is quoting both carmelo anthony and jr smith.

did melo say lin's contract was ridiculous, crushalot? did jr smith say that lin's contract would make for a difficult locker room, crushalot?

Crush often very trivial and petty and rarely if ever

Focuses on the meats and potatoes of a discussion

Its always a fun night when you can get the Banned Band back together again.

you didn't bother to answer either question that was asked of you. instead you call people names. i have a name to call you but i don't think you can handle it.

do you want to know what it is? that's another question by the way.


Not sure how talking about the context in which something was said got turned into my saying it wasn't said. In regards to name calling and what you post, it is entirely up to you.

"context"... yeah, sure. i know a couple of grand juries that you would have fit right in with

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/15/2014  8:53 AM
The reality is the quickest way to make this team a contender is to trade Melo for draft picks in this years draft and do a complete rebuild. Championship teams can have at most one, maybe two starters who are weak defenders. Melo being our best player but a weak defender gives this team a basic structural issue that is hard to overcome. Our good defenders are Iman Shumpert and.. Quincy Acy? Cleanthony Early? Do we even have another decent defender?
Rose is not the answer.
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12/15/2014  8:59 AM
lol at getting the banned band back together. Drinks will be served. Customized Gallo photo coasters for drinks that you can bring home and collect with your friends. Join the mailing list for great offers! Free support group for suspended RealGM users.... tonights theme: When other posters just dont understand your brilliance. Delish deserts will be served compliments of Van Wilder. Fun for all
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12/15/2014  9:04 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Splat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Splat wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Splat wrote:
nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Did you watch the summer league game where they showed part of the interview and Hahn explained the context? Also, in terms of the contract, it took a first round pick being included to move that deal.

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

short of being deposed by a lawyer you will never get a straight answer out of crushalot but lets try:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks

this is an article that is quoting both carmelo anthony and jr smith.

did melo say lin's contract was ridiculous, crushalot? did jr smith say that lin's contract would make for a difficult locker room, crushalot?

Crush often very trivial and petty and rarely if ever

Focuses on the meats and potatoes of a discussion

Its always a fun night when you can get the Banned Band back together again.

you didn't bother to answer either question that was asked of you. instead you call people names. i have a name to call you but i don't think you can handle it.

do you want to know what it is? that's another question by the way.


Not sure how talking about the context in which something was said got turned into my saying it wasn't said. In regards to name calling and what you post, it is entirely up to you.

"context"... yeah, sure. i know a couple of grand juries that you would have fit right in with

DK it goes like this when you talk about Melo

He's not a Playa he just FUSSALOT[Big Pun intended]

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12/15/2014  7:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2014  8:42 PM
yup the amount of control CAA/Melo Enterprises had on the Knicks was downright scary. Highlighted of course by forcing Chris Smith & Bargnani on the team
Howard Beck's team post-2015 Free Agency

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