BRIGGS wrote:Knee jerk reaction? You guys are part of the reason why the Knicks have scked for almost 15years. You accept mediocrity you accept poor ownership and management ****ty basketball all while lining the pockets of our midget owner. We've had one good streak in 15 years. We've basically had only 1leader j Kidd and it showed.everyone else was an over compensated starphuch precipitated by little napoleons obnoxious short sighted view point he's a fcking idiot and anyone who thinks this pos team will amount to anything but a34win team hoping that we can get an 8th seed. All the power to u you're all digital investors be good!

30 odd wins and a slight chance of squeaking into the playoffs, is pretty much most people's expectations for this team. Then we have cap space and maybe a good first round pick. Most of the players will be gone. In the mean time Phil and Fish try to establish a culture and see who if any of our players can adapt to the triangle. This takes time- you can't trade your way out of this process with few tradeable assets. We have to wait for contracts to expire.

F500ONE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I just don't think it's fair say Shumpert is not a good defender based on one game where he was forced to guard the point. But hey if that's how you feel then that's fine

Naaahh Shump's defense has been suspicious for 4yrs

Can he play at an Elite level, sure he can

Not sure how much it would affect his game elsewhere

But from game-to-game you know taking your bias out

He's not a consistently good defender

He even admitted as a Man he didn't play good defense last year

Come on there are excuses and then there are refuses by some fans

That's fine. Fisher trusts Shumpert so I'm gonna role with him for now. It's not like he has to coddle Shumpert like he has to coddle Melo. If he feels Shumpert should be out of the rotation then he will be

knickscity wrote:Idk, if Shumpeert's defense is suspicious then the rest of the teams defense is non-existent. Shumpert isnt all world on defense, really no player is. it still takes help to guard, but he is without a doubt our best defender. Folks arent lighting him up on a every game basis. he's better than folks are willing to admit.

Other players on our team defend

Dalembert
Cole World
Smith
Wear

We're not a good defensive collective unit because we aren't a good team

I want the next phase to be accelerated, for whatever reason and I could care less

Shump has some value across the league

Let's get value for him and start bringing in pieces

That will fit for our long term future

No I do not believe Shump is in our long term plans

December 15th in the words of Bart Scott[CAN'T WAIT!!!!]

gunsnewing wrote:Which smith? Both are pretty awful defenders

Smith rims protects and playing defense

Doesn't always mean you make a play

It means you stop certain things from happening

Smith provides defensive effort see Detroit game

Put it this way Shump isn't the only defender we have

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:Idk, if Shumpeert's defense is suspicious then the rest of the teams defense is non-existent. Shumpert isnt all world on defense, really no player is. it still takes help to guard, but he is without a doubt our best defender. Folks arent lighting him up on a every game basis. he's better than folks are willing to admit.

You would think a player like him would be appreciated after the guards who've come through here the past 15yrs

He has been in ny for awhile and he has struggled. The guy obviously works on his body. It would be nice if he worked on finishing at the basket and if he could hit his shot with some consistency.

Sometimes you just have to realize what players are. At least he knows he needs to work on finishing, but until then...keep on driving and not settle.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:Idk, if Shumpeert's defense is suspicious then the rest of the teams defense is non-existent. Shumpert isnt all world on defense, really no player is. it still takes help to guard, but he is without a doubt our best defender. Folks arent lighting him up on a every game basis. he's better than folks are willing to admit.

You would think a player like him would be appreciated after the guards who've come through here the past 15yrs

He has been in ny for awhile and he has struggled. The guy obviously works on his body. It would be nice if he worked on finishing at the basket and if he could hit his shot with some consistency.

Shumpert has been decent from 3 in every season he's been in the league, and certainly gives effort on defense. he helps in rebounding and has no issue passing the basketball.

Sometimes you just have to realize what players are. At least he knows he needs to work on finishing, but until then...keep on driving and not settle.

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Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What part does "rebuilding year" does some of you not get?
Building a culture does not include "Panic".
2-1 and Phil says he surprised. Get it now?

Figures that everyone would ignore this post......We are in full rebuild mode. Melo is the only player on this roster that starts for the majority of NBA teams....Some of these guys are 8th or 9th men off the bench (for good teams) while the rest who are getting playing time for us would be collecting DNP's

Full rebuild? Then when are we going to have a real team? Melo's 15th or 17th season? Brilliant

Uptown wrote:

Splat wrote:

Uptown wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What part does "rebuilding year" does some of you not get?
Building a culture does not include "Panic".
2-1 and Phil says he surprised. Get it now?

Figures that everyone would ignore this post......We are in full rebuild mode. Melo is the only player on this roster that starts for the majority of NBA teams....Some of these guys are 8th or 9th men off the bench (for good teams) while the rest who are getting playing time for us would be collecting DNP's

We are not in full rebuild mode. If we were we wouldn't have Tyson for Calderon, Dalembert, and a 2nd. And we wouldn't have refused to any S&T involving Melo. The plan is clearly to be decent this year, at least above .500, and go into the offseason with a a decent core intact with a bunch of cap space to sign 1 major free agent.

Wrong choice of words on my part but this is a rebuilding year.....

It's a re-tooling. We swapped out some tools for other tools and hope to bring in more tools next year.

Semantics...bottom line, the roster is loaded with below average players that are merely place holders and most are not in the long term plans of the team. With that said, did anyone really expect this team to win much, let alone look good with 5 new players in the rotation and a new coach and new system, 6 games in?

More Reading...Less Nitpicking

Need to stop blaming the triangle for their struggles

Did you hear that Melo and J.R.?

So is Larkin's IQ higher than Melo's

Haven't we been told Melo has high BB IQ

“I just think he’s thinking too much,” said Shane Larkin, a second-year point guard, referring to Anthony’s fitting into the offensive scheme that Jackson-coached teams won 11 N.B.A. titles with.

“[Fisher] was just saying we have to play harder, that the triangle is going to take time and we have to play harder,’’ Shane Larkin said.

Way to keep it real Fisher no excuses

“I don’t like to tell you it will just take time,’’ Fisher said of the offense, standing in a Barclays Center hallway before the Knicks Friday morning shootaround. “We still have a way to win games. We won two out of five games [entering Friday night]. It’s not because we executed perfectly. It’s because we figured out a way to win them.

“Whenever the time is we get our degree in triangle offense, that’s whenever that is,” Fisher added sarcastically. “Winning is about mental toughness, physical toughness, grit, passion, competing.’’

The critics are all over the Knicks, accusing them of not even running the triangle. Fisher says that’s not true but acknowledges they are too obsessed with getting it right.

“On some level if you froze the tape, you’ll see a strongside or weakside triangle somewhere,’’ Fisher said. “Regardless of whether we execute it perfectly or not. We’re expecting it to be slow in terms of perfect execution.’’

Way to Man up Shump, no excuses

“I’m gonna take this one. Deron Williams got to do whatever he wanted out there,” Shumpert added. “My teammates aren’t used to be me begging for help. I’m usually able to get over the screens and find a way. Tonight he had his way with me. I’ll take that.”

Amar'e I don't know what to say here

“I think it’s the effort,” said Amar’e Stoudemire. “We have to put in more effort on the defensive end, for sure. Obviously the offense is something we’re learning … but while we’re in the process of doing that, we have to make sure we have that effort defensively.”

“We’re letting the learning process of the offense affect us defensively,” Stoudemire said. “We have to stop that.”

And then you have Melo all you can do is [syh]

“I don’t think these teams are doing anything differently. . . . For me it’s just not going in,” Anthony said. “I think it’s just playing kind of with a confidence and a sense of urgency out there rather than just trying to go through the motion and say it’s going to get better. We just have to have that focus and that energy. That’s something that Coach Fisher can’t teach us or the other coaches can’t teach us. We’ve got to believe in ourselves and go out there and do that.”

So you're "going through the motions"

Ahhhh what a novel thing to say publicly

Knixkik wrote:The knee jerk reactions are unreal. We are 6 games into a season where we were expected to struggle lol.