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gunsnewing wrote:Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see how love taking max money available to join Lebron and Irving is the same as he Melo trade or Melo taking $124m?

it's.not.even.close to the same situation. just like you can't look at stats in a vacuum you can't look at these major transactions in a vacuum.

the cavs are in win-now mode for the next two seasons, when lebron's contract ends. lebron on any team brings legitimacy. the dude is already changing his body to suit what he anticipates his new duties are going to be with his two running-mates. he may be a douche in some people's eyes but he's an absolute genius. as it is the cavs now have a 40% chance of winning a title. THAT'S why you pay love that much money!

back in 2010-2011 the knicks were in rebuild mode, not win-now mode. 28-26 and a 7th or 8th seed, first round exit team. all melo had to do was WAIT. but he didn't, couldn't wouldn't. the melo trade yanked the knicks into win-now mode, although it was always going to be an exercise in futility for reasons that have been painfully clear. the reason remains the same: chemistry. some players, especially the so-called "scorers," just don't have it. but lebron at essence is a chemistry guy, like almost ALL the all-time greats.

the knicks, meanwhile, are going to have to wait at least an entire season and then cross their fingers that they can be in win-now mode a year and change from now. so we are paying this guy 24 million dollars for a season where the knicks have a 2% chance in winning a title.

i have a theory as to why melo is the most overpaid player in the league and is still, agonizingly, a knick: he knew he would have failed to win elsewhere playing for less money. think about it: harden and melo? no. rose and melo? no. bryant and melo? no no no!

so he manages to save face, puts the burden on jackson and fisher to pull a rabbit out of a hat (pace nixluva), and basically can remain blithely free of any responsibility!

Glad you are calling it a theory. What is your theory on Amare opting in? Or Love forcing a trade when there isn't even the threat of a labor stoppage to a team he could just sign with in free agency?

Love wants to keep his Bird's Rights and sign for more or the most money possible

Let's keep this in perspective, it won't hurt the Cavs

He and Lebron have opt outs at the same time thus creating flexibility for Cavs to play with numbers

When you lock in early long term, you take way those options from a team

Melo could have signed the exact same contract as Lebron but chose not to

Love signed a Rookie contract extension for 4yrs $60mil.

This is a far cry from Derrick Rose max, what others got paid/////

And have been paid since, of his caliber

Because teams feared Wolves would match he never received a legit offer from competition.

Would you say he's been underpaid according to market standards currently?

If yes, he chose to stay in Minny instead of going with a 4yr deal 3yr opt out following season

Would he have lost tons of money with this option considering his QO was competitively high?

Not really, he went with loyalty and guaranteed money at less than market value

Has Melo ever been underpaid in his career?

Absolutely not

Has Melo ever been grossly overpaid in his career

Absolutely so, and for most of it

I think it's reasonable for Love to go get paid at this point, while in his prime

Especially if he'll be playing for a championship contending team

I don't have an issue with Love or Melo getting paid. I do think if you are going to trash a guy for forcing a move prior to players being to be locked out so free agency rules can be changed it seems fair to bring into question a guy that does the same thing when there isn't even a threat of labor stoppage. Both guys could have theoretically finished the year and not made their new teams not give up assets. Of course if you go with that theory you have to assume that their teams are run by very incompetent management that would let them leave for nothing. In Melo's case that had just happened in Miami and Toronto.

I explained the above to you and apparently it's going over your head

Maybe this next example calms your brain nerves down some, what about this thought

Love currently plays for the Wolves, they aren't any good/////

Quite possibly the best mediocre team in basketball, right there with us

He wants to go play for a winning team in Cleveland, championship material

The situation alone here makes his and Melo's completely different

Melo was on a winning team, with a chance to retool again.

Love is not

Cleveland isn't gutting their team to acquire him

Love does have come culpability wanting out, why Minny isn't a better team with him

Cleveland's cap situation isn't as clear cut either for 2015 space

It didn't go over my head. The situation when Melo was traded to NY was that the owners were telling the players that they were going to lock them out and reign in free agency. Melo like Love had a destination he wanted to go to and wanted a new deal under the old cba. The Nuggets were making the playoffs at the time but they weren't competing for a championship. Adding Melo and Billups to Amare in theory should have made the Knicks very competitive in the east. At the time the plan was to somehow get CP3 to play with Melo and Amare. Unfortunately Amare began having health issues shortly after the trade and the knicks made other moves that made the cp3 move impossible.

WOW cool story bro... love it how melo is just basically a passive bystander, innocent victim in all of this. but please, DO keep trying to interpret history for posterity's sake.

In the parts you emphasized, Melo could be nothing but a passive bystander. Was he supposed to magically heal Amare?

ehhh the entire post is gobbledy-gook that looks to exonerate anthony no matter what. i guess hell will freeze over before some folks will hold melo accountable for something, anything, having to do with the knicks record since he forced a trade here.

imagine trying to compare the two situations. love? he gets to play with lebron and irving. no overlap, no redundancy, greater possibility for chemistry, odds have the cavs at 40% winning the title THIS SEASON.

melo and stoudemire? the essence of overlap and bad chemistry. stoudemire "unfortunately having health issues" is misdirection, pure and simple. in fact melo later admitted-- in his typically teflon and deeply offensive way-- that he knew it would take at least a couple of years for the knicks to become contenders-- what the hell!?! didn't we get put into win-now mode because of this fool? so, yeah, this "stoudemire health issue" going to be checked. besides, if you knew it was going to take a couple of years then why not wait until free agency and cut that time frame down to one year, perhaps less, since the team was already playoff-bound?

no point guard other than cp3 could have made that pair work, that is probably true. and yet here again we have this "plan to somehow get cp3." what nonsense, since melo's forcing his own trade here virtually guaranteed no possibility of having the money or assets to acquire cp3. so yeah that "somehow" statement is going to be checked.

"the situation when melo was traded to NY" is another statement that makes melo a non-actor in his own career... and it is going to be checked.

You know he's doing it again.

He recently was interviewed in Puerto Rico and said it's going to take some time to win a chip here

When he explained why he chose us over the Bulls he said he believes we'll win soon because he believes in Phil

He's a double talking lip service kind of guy and has been his whole career, creature of habit elitist

Why not take a bigger paycut to help possibly speed it up if he "believes in Phil" so strongly.

Why did he put the extra clauses in his contract if he has unwavering faith

While he may like our direction and love what Phil and Fisher bring, his actions this offseason proved otherwise

F500ONE wrote:You know he's doing it again.

He recently was interviewed in Puerto Rico and said it's going to take some time to win a chip here

When he explained why he chose us over the Bulls he said he believes we'll win soon because he believes in Phil

He's a double talking lip service kind of guy and has been his whole career, creature of habit elitist

Why not take a bigger paycut to help possibly speed it up if he "believes in Phil" so strongly.

Why did he put the extra clauses in his contract if he has unwavering faith

While he may like our direction and love what Phil and Fisher bring, his actions this offseason proved otherwise

It will take some time to increase the Knicks chances. Maybe he thinks the Knicks in the future will be a better team than what the Bulls will be next season and beyond.

still need to worry about the Cavs for the next two seasons.

"This is a new beginning for me in my life. Although I'm back with the same team after my contract extension, for me it's a new opportunity for the team and for the city, "Anthony told Primera Hora during his visit to Puerto Rico this week to host several activities its foundation on the island. "Sentiment I feel right now is similar to that felt when I was chosen in the lottery incoming NBA. I am eager to wear that uniform again. "

"I think they've made ​​some solid moves that impact the team," speaking of the acquisitions of players like the Spanish guard Jose Calderon and forward selection Cleanthony Early in the draw. "Management has done a good job of trying to square a team that may not be stars but if players are within the system to be implemented."

"I do not expect to win a championship this year. That's something that takes time and everything has to be in sync, from management to players. We have much work to do, but something that drives me. I know we can start creating the foundation of what we do. It's the start of a good process, "said Puerto Rican player. "Next year we will have enough money to spend within the salary cap. But this year it is important to take the necessary steps towards those who will in the next year. I want to concentrate on building what we want from this year. "

"Since I signed the first thing he did was give me the book with the triangle offense system for me to learn it," Anthony said.

"It's a rookie leader but a very respected person His knowledge of the game goes beyond what people think. And I think it will be a good leader since his freshman year. I talk to him all the time. And he is so excited to start as I am. This does not often see the leaders. Usually you do not see leaders who care about you, calling you to see what you need and he has started a good relationship with me on that. I think our relationship will be positive.

"I'd love to play here. I have not seen the preseason schedule, but if I could force a game to be here. In the near future I would sit with the Knicks to come up with a game to Puerto Rico. Could do for next year, "Anthony said, adding that he will return to the island in September to vacation with some of his fellow Knicks.

"I want to come here to the island for a couple of weeks with several players to know us better and develop good fellowship before our training camp. The Knicks can not do it legally (as an institution), but I can do it on my own and bring several boys to Puerto Rico to enjoy a few days together. "

nyvector16 wrote:Getting back to the thread topic:

Now that we know that NBA rules forbid any kind of prior contract arrangement between Love and the Cavs for a deal to take place... It would be incredible ironic and hilarious if after giving up Wiggins + assets to acquire Love.... he then walks after opting out next season.

They have talked with him recently[league granted permission]//// I think they understand what potentially may happen.

Walking away isn't one of them