TPercy wrote:The level of hypocrisy is amazing.....we were all just praising Jeremy Tyler as a future prospect...he's young, and can still a lot better, what hurts me even more is that they gonna release him :( Now I watch as the forum praises Phil Jackson and talks **** about Tyler as if he was horrible from the start.

Acy is a better player than Tyler. Now that we have him, I'd like to see Acy developed into a Mike Scott/Marcus Morris type of player. He has just as much talent as either of those guys -- much more offensive potential than what we've seen up to this point. It just needs to be tapped and honed. I hope the Knicks feel that way.

If you read between the lines....you can see a quick philosophy change with phil. Instead of surrounding melo with half court offensive players, he's surrounding melo with transition types and defense energy players. It's really that simple.....While managing the 2015 salary so that we are big players in the 2015 free agency.

Ellington/ Tyler for Acy/ Outlaw is a good example of this MDA / Woody cultural change....

And yes Outlaw has lost a step or two...but he's still a better defender than the guys we traded away.

djsunyc wrote:these end of bench deals mean absolutely nothing.

acy, tyler, ellington may as well be named joe blow. they will have virtually zero impact on any team they play for.

no need to really break down the skills or anything like that. end of bench fodder. nothing to see here.

in related news, phil is now eyeing jamario moon, jason kopono and hedo turkoglu.

I couldn't disagree with the bold more. End of bench guys can become key contributors. Patty Mills comes to mind immediately... as does Victor Cruz, Jeremy Lin, and Mats Zuccarello... and these are just-end-of-bench guys who become much more on the teams I follow

SupremeCommander wrote:Phil kept talking about how chit the culture was at the end of last year. It is no surprise he wanted a spirited defender on the roster. He may only have minimal in-game impact however this is the type of deal that improves the intensity at practice.

You gotta give phil credit where credit is due. Most GMs and even our past management would just tank this season and put all their eggs in one basket...just to land one big fish in 2015. Phil is doing both long term planning and short term improvements. Players are not coming to play with just melo...he doesn't have the same attractiveness to other nba players like Lebron. But when you are a free agent in 2015, and you have a solid team of above average players....A star or co-star in melo....And a phil jackson championship culture. ...with the opportunity to be that missing link to make history in the biggest market in the nba.....that's a major selling point.

Vs saying, hey we have melo....wanna play with us.

Don't let us make noise this year, that's going to only help....

blkexec wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Phil kept talking about how chit the culture was at the end of last year. It is no surprise he wanted a spirited defender on the roster. He may only have minimal in-game impact however this is the type of deal that improves the intensity at practice.

You gotta give phil credit where credit is due. Most GMs and even our past management would just tank this season and put all their eggs in one basket...just to land one big fish in 2015. Phil is doing both long term planning and short term improvements. Players are not coming to play with just melo...he doesn't have the same attractiveness to other nba players like Lebron. But when you are a free agent in 2015, and you have a solid team of above average players....A star or co-star in melo....And a phil jackson championship culture. ...with the opportunity to be that missing link to make history in the biggest market in the nba.....that's a major selling point.

Vs saying, hey we have melo....wanna play with us.

Don't let us make noise this year, that's going to only help....

Good post. Agreed.

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:The level of hypocrisy is amazing.....we were all just praising Jeremy Tyler as a future prospect...he's young, and can still a lot better, what hurts me even more is that they gonna release him :( Now I watch as the forum praises Phil Jackson and talks **** about Tyler as if he was horrible from the start.

ever date a girl? Break up with her and then date another girl? Do you still talk about the first girl the same as when you were dating her?? Give me a break... its a Knick *fan* site.

And nixluva loves everyone on the (current) roster. The proper guage is *how much* does he love him

I love the ex girl analogy.

When you have a girl friend, you rarely look at here flaws, and just concentrate on her positives and pontential. When she is your ex, her negatives are higher than her positives. Thats human nature. Gives you the justification you need, so that you can move on. Otherwise, you will be like these other dudes that can't get their ex off thier minds, and either kill themselves or do something stupid that impacts their entire life.

Tyler and Elington were great when they were on the team. But now that they are gone, we can highlight their negatives and move on...It's a natural thing to do to justify the move, so that it doesn't keep you up all night. Not sure why the end of the bench guys get so much attention, but only in NYC....Where basketball passion runs deeper than any other sport!

tj23 wrote:I love how people think Acy is an defensive upgrade to Tyler LOL

Acy is a role player so in the end this isn't a big deal. We don't even know how much he'll play. It's not really the point, whether he's actually a better defender than Tyler or not. Phil likes the fit, balance of the roster and what Acy could bring to the team more than what Tyler offered and basically that's good enough for me. Phil is trying to give Fish as many tools in the toolbox as possible. Things that he believes this team will need in order to win. In the end I think we can trust his judgment more than yours so go kick rocks!!!

SupremeCommander wrote:Phil kept talking about how chit the culture was at the end of last year. It is no surprise he wanted a spirited defender on the roster. He may only have minimal in-game impact however this is the type of deal that improves the intensity at practice.

Great point