gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

I don't know why we are begging TKF, DK, Bonn and others to change. They have long showed there colors and are who they are. Phil Jackson obviously wanted Melo to stay and was a big part of Phil's plans. But since its not what they wanted its because Phil caved. Like they can't comprehend the possibilities of Phil actually believing Melo is a star player.

Its not like Phil built up credibility with the Bulls and Lakers to have major influence in personnel decisions after winning all those championships with them. All he did was coach and making personnel decisions is all new to him as a President(sarcasm). Phil says the discount amount was exactly what was needed but that's only a spin with no facts to back it up and for no other reason because its not the agreeable amount to what they wanted.

Melo is selfish, they are arrogant, life goes on.

really? exactly what we needed.. so what did we get with it? because until phil gets someone to come here how does he know exactly what was needed? come on.. you buying that crap? what should concern you is that phil did some double talking.. he put out there taking a substantial pay cut and he caved in, or whatever you call it, he didn't stick by what he said.. Technically it is a paycut, but in the spirit of taking a "paycut" it was a complete joke.. again it is akin to asking for a discount and me offering you a penny off and saying.. "well I offered you a discount as promised"...

Phil is known for being more of a straight shooter then a double talker. The substantial discount may have very well been the 6 mil saved. It may just be lower then your expectations. I am 100% sure that he and cap experts through the days of negotiation with Melo broke down how the 6mil helps the teams flexibility. The cap is projected to be 80 mil in 2 yrs I am sure all of these things have been thought out.

Its straight out of Phil's mouth that its what was needed and everything that was asked. Everything else is theories.

phil said that carmelo "sort of" did what was asked of him so far as a paycut. phil is not pleased.

I have no problems with people choosing to ignore facts. My problem is with people who attack others on a personal level for presenting the facts. Yes Phil did say that. And reports were he gave Melo 5 options. Unless I'm an idiot Melo took one that benefit himself more than the team

I guess you are an idiot ( your words not mine) because I'm sure the total max was on the table, no 6 million dollar discount. Melo passed on that to give the knicks some more flexability in yr 2. This is just getting so ridiculous!

gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

I don't know why we are begging TKF, DK, Bonn and others to change. They have long showed there colors and are who they are. Phil Jackson obviously wanted Melo to stay and was a big part of Phil's plans. But since its not what they wanted its because Phil caved. Like they can't comprehend the possibilities of Phil actually believing Melo is a star player.

Its not like Phil built up credibility with the Bulls and Lakers to have major influence in personnel decisions after winning all those championships with them. All he did was coach and making personnel decisions is all new to him as a President(sarcasm). Phil says the discount amount was exactly what was needed but that's only a spin with no facts to back it up and for no other reason because its not the agreeable amount to what they wanted.

Melo is selfish, they are arrogant, life goes on.

really? exactly what we needed.. so what did we get with it? because until phil gets someone to come here how does he know exactly what was needed? come on.. you buying that crap? what should concern you is that phil did some double talking.. he put out there taking a substantial pay cut and he caved in, or whatever you call it, he didn't stick by what he said.. Technically it is a paycut, but in the spirit of taking a "paycut" it was a complete joke.. again it is akin to asking for a discount and me offering you a penny off and saying.. "well I offered you a discount as promised"...

Phil is known for being more of a straight shooter then a double talker. The substantial discount may have very well been the 6 mil saved. It may just be lower then your expectations. I am 100% sure that he and cap experts through the days of negotiation with Melo broke down how the 6mil helps the teams flexibility. The cap is projected to be 80 mil in 2 yrs I am sure all of these things have been thought out.

Its straight out of Phil's mouth that its what was needed and everything that was asked. Everything else is theories.

phil said that carmelo "sort of" did what was asked of him so far as a paycut. phil is not pleased.

I have no problems with people choosing to ignore facts. My problem is with people who attack others on a personal level for presenting the facts. Yes Phil did say that. And reports were he gave Melo 5 options. Unless I'm an idiot Melo took one that benefit himself more than the team

I don't know how to post tweets.

Phil suggests that Melo did take less money. "He did exactly what we asked him to," & that it may provide a little more wiggle room in 2015.

I never read him say "sort of" so sorry if I missed it from another article or report or tweet(no sarcasm)

While the 5 options are facts everything else you stated after that is a theory. Unless you know the exact details of the 5 options you are leaving it to your own imagination.

You and others can call Melo selfish based off what you see or read, and I can call you arrogant based on what I see or read, we all have our flaws.

gunsnewing wrote:And I'm sure less was on the table too. The ball was in Melos court I understand that but I'm sure the other 3 scenarios were taking less than $123mil. When Phil mentioned Melo keeping his word he did not mean take $6m less over 5yrs.
My guess is once Phil realized how hard it was going to be to move Amare and Bargnani a light bulb went off in his head that he better not lose Melo

It is what it is. Let the season start

All personal theories

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

the hate is funny. Its not Melo, its Bosh, Chandler Parsons, etc etc.. its the game. NBA has always been this way. The CBA is literally set up for teams to overpay to keep their own talent.

Melo did exactly what Phil asked him to. Thats from Phil's mouth. Let the man go built his team.

Phil doesn't know what he's doing, obviously. His stupidity in building teams around one-way players continues...
It's a shame, really.

All those rings will turn out to be a mirage, just you wait and see.

We are definitely in for another 5 years of fool's gold.

yea, how many teams have Phil built? I know he has coached some championship teams, and he has played on some.. but how many has he built?

for that matter Isiah has rings.. .how well did he do building the knicks a contender? I guess he knew what he was doing right? I am sure you were a huge isiah supporter right down to the end.. because he had rings, and obviously that means you can build champions... right? I mean those Isiah years were just great, hell I even remember the championship parade... I am sure there was one.. because to believe otherwise would just mean I am a Hater.. right?

How many has Krause built without Phil? How many has West built without Phil? How many has Kupchak built without Phil?

Exactly, we all know Phil was as instrumental if not more than any of the GMs, Prez, etc. It was Phil's world, he called a majority of the shots. He was the coach by title, but was far more just like most other great coaches.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

the hate is funny. Its not Melo, its Bosh, Chandler Parsons, etc etc.. its the game. NBA has always been this way. The CBA is literally set up for teams to overpay to keep their own talent.

Melo did exactly what Phil asked him to. Thats from Phil's mouth. Let the man go built his team.

Phil doesn't know what he's doing, obviously. His stupidity in building teams around one-way players continues...
It's a shame, really.

All those rings will turn out to be a mirage, just you wait and see.

We are definitely in for another 5 years of fool's gold.

yea, how many teams have Phil built? I know he has coached some championship teams, and he has played on some.. but how many has he built?

for that matter Isiah has rings.. .how well did he do building the knicks a contender? I guess he knew what he was doing right? I am sure you were a huge isiah supporter right down to the end.. because he had rings, and obviously that means you can build champions... right? I mean those Isiah years were just great, hell I even remember the championship parade... I am sure there was one.. because to believe otherwise would just mean I am a Hater.. right?

How many has Krause built without Phil? How many has West built without Phil? How many has Kupchak built without Phil?

Exactly, we all know Phil was as instrumental if not more than any of the GMs, Prez, etc. It was Phil's world, he called a majority of the shots. He was the coach by title, but was far more just like most other great coaches.

Phil did not call all the shots.

On numerous occasions he begged Kupcheck to trade Kobe and one point he even gave an "its him or me" ultimatum.

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

he should be taking that sort of paycut because he has not accomplished anything near to what those ther players have accomplished. if he knew his actual value to a winning cause he could have done that but you know what-- carmelo anthony has always overrated himself.

you put the cart before the horse-- "if melo knows that durant or lbj are coming then he takes a paycut for it to happen." well now it is far less likely to happen because.he.didn't.take.a.paycut.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:
i am not happy about stoudemire but he knew he was dead man walking-- and in fact i feel for the guy, since he came here as a free agent, had greater success than melo before coming here, and then was summarily shoved aside by the arrival of melo, who was dolan's signature move. his attitude must have been that, knowing he would be marginalized if not outright unwanted, that he was not going to be the good soldier and take a financial hit for a team that pretty much doesn't want him around. isn't that what you and 99% of the fan base thinking? this is the price of doing business as a franchise in disarray and chaos.

you might as well have asked all the dead men walking players during walsh's first two years to have done the same, including stephon dinglebury.

well did you? and did you begrudge them getting paid in full?

hypocrites will have a hard time contending with what i just laid out in plain english and logically. you're more than welcome to give it a try.

Again - you make it pretty difficult to take anything you post seriously.

Fact - Amare was damaged goods even before he signed here as a Free Agent. Amare was breaking down even before Melo was acquired.

Fact - Amare was brought in as a Free Agent at a great cost to the Knicks who traded multiple first round picks and gave away players in order to sign Amare

Fact - Amare would have been "shoved aside" had the Knicks original plan played out.......to sign Amare in order to lure LBJ.

Fact - I've never begrudged anyone getting paid in full.....ever.

Fact - you seem to have a problem with athletes getting paid as evidenced by your constant posting on the topic even calculating how much Melo makes per minute.

Fact - the "Dead Men Walking" as you indicate in your post have nothing to do with anything being discussed (Amare restructuring & Melo taking less)......you are only bringing those variable into your post as a misdirecting statement because you really have nothing valid to offer in this conversation except for your subjective (and seemingly tainted) opinion.

Fact - by making the statement "hypocrites will have a hard time contending ......" you are name calling using a passive aggressive/indirect technique - you do this often and it is why so few people on this board can stand your posts.

It would be nice if Melo took much less for the team. But it is no different than any other player also taking much less for the team - so let's not make it out to be that one guy is an ogre and everyone else is a saint.

hmmm... let's see....

your first assertion was fact, but i prefer that some facts be put in context, like for instance that the owner had placed a mandate that his team bring in two big names, the priority being lebron james.

with this priority in mind your second assertion is false, laughably so.

as is your third assertion.

your fourth assertion is not a fact it is an accusation masked as an opinion. that said, i begrudge people getting paid in full when they only do half the job required of them when the goal is winning titles.

and yes i do have a problem with athletes getting paid so much that they hurt their own chances at winning. melo is dumb that way, very dumb.

my dead man walking is the heart of the matter vis a vis complaining about stoudemire taking less for the sake of the knicks. that you want to dismiss it makes me question your reading comprehension.

the last fact regarding hypocrisy stands-- as evidenced by your weak sauce response to my post. nothing passive about it.

melo was in a position to do what was best for the knicks, a golden opportunity to redeem himslef and buy some goodwill capital from the fanbase.

he blew it.

So you think Melo should take a $10 million a yr pay cut to help the team bring in another star or 2.

What planet are you from DK, no other star is doing this, and please dont say LBJ, because if Kobe and KD were on board to join melo, I'm certain he would would have sacrifice. But thats not the case, and If you want me to, I can pull a number of Interviews where Melo has said it can't be all about him taking all the shots, and the next day when woods ws tol that, he basically ignore that and continued to run him into the ground.

You and TKF are in a minority here with this hating business, and thinking melo is damn near a forth option, you really have to open your mind up

the hate is funny. Its not Melo, its Bosh, Chandler Parsons, etc etc.. its the game. NBA has always been this way. The CBA is literally set up for teams to overpay to keep their own talent.

Melo did exactly what Phil asked him to. Thats from Phil's mouth. Let the man go built his team.

Phil doesn't know what he's doing, obviously. His stupidity in building teams around one-way players continues...
It's a shame, really.

All those rings will turn out to be a mirage, just you wait and see.

We are definitely in for another 5 years of fool's gold.

yea, how many teams have Phil built? I know he has coached some championship teams, and he has played on some.. but how many has he built?

for that matter Isiah has rings.. .how well did he do building the knicks a contender? I guess he knew what he was doing right? I am sure you were a huge isiah supporter right down to the end.. because he had rings, and obviously that means you can build champions... right? I mean those Isiah years were just great, hell I even remember the championship parade... I am sure there was one.. because to believe otherwise would just mean I am a Hater.. right?

Comparing Phil Jackson to IT.

This is absolutely your best Melohate work since you mentioned Starbury was at least a "real New Yorker". LMFAO

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Arrogant is a good one. I like to deal in reality and not sweep things under the rug and pretend it never happened. I'm ok with moving forward with Melo but I won't pretend he is a hero for taking $6m less over 5yrs

We will see what mind of players we can afford to bring in. If melo's contract hurts us Then I will become really arrognant

If we keep and develop our draft picks we will be fine. If we draft a 10-15mil player then we don't need to sign one.

That would be a dream. In the last that player would've been traded for an overpaid injury risk/malcontent but I don't think Phil will continue they trend