Who else plays? Thats even if Pau takes 6 mil!

Pau is 35, Melo 30, Nash 39 and Kobe 36.

Thats the bank right there. Then its vet min for the rest of the team.
And, Melo leaves a lot of money on the table.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:fishmike you will keep repeating 28/7 as though the league looks the other way at his miserable playoff record, which remains among the worst if not the worst since he began his career. so he has suitors-- since when does the desire correlate with winning titles? it doesn't. but i have seen what he's done here in new york and if he lands with another team then that will be good for new york.

carmelo is incorrigible but there will always be some "neighborhood chick" who believes he is worth the trouble to turn into a winner.

jackson knows better which is why he wants to hold melo to the discount melo himself volunteered but is now reneging on. (do you like that he is reneging?) whatever he ends up being paid in new york it will still be too much.

Pretty sure the Bulls, Rockets, Mavs and Lakers looked the other way. But those are NBA cellar dwelling franchises who dont care about winning, just selling some tickets right? Dude one half of your brain literally makes up bullsh!t, the other half of your brain believes it.

That is not right. I can't stop laughing right now.

I just like how if you manage to overstate Melo's PPG or RPG or (for the love of God!) his FG% by four thousandths of a decimal point, the Bonn Police Brute Patrol comes and puts you in your place, but we have 28/7 being quoted for three pages and nary a word.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:fishmike you will keep repeating 28/7 as though the league looks the other way at his miserable playoff record, which remains among the worst if not the worst since he began his career. so he has suitors-- since when does the desire correlate with winning titles? it doesn't. but i have seen what he's done here in new york and if he lands with another team then that will be good for new york.

carmelo is incorrigible but there will always be some "neighborhood chick" who believes he is worth the trouble to turn into a winner.

jackson knows better which is why he wants to hold melo to the discount melo himself volunteered but is now reneging on. (do you like that he is reneging?) whatever he ends up being paid in new york it will still be too much.

Pretty sure the Bulls, Rockets, Mavs and Lakers looked the other way. But those are NBA cellar dwelling franchises who dont care about winning, just selling some tickets right? Dude one half of your brain literally makes up bullsh!t, the other half of your brain believes it.

That is not right. I can't stop laughing right now.

I just like how if you manage to overstate Melo's PPG or RPG or (for the love of God!) his FG% by four thousandths of a decimal point, the Bonn Police Brute Patrol comes and puts you in your place, but we have 28/7 being quoted for three pages and nary a word.

hahaha. It's more like when you call the other person an idiot while you double Melo's assist totals.

Riiiiiiiiiight. Selective idiocy is sooo much more credible. Nice topic switch there. Hate on, Bonnie, it's okay.

And I've always thought 3-4 assists is not that bad for a ball hogging, iso cancer. We really going to go down this tunnel again?

Silverfuel wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:fishmike you will keep repeating 28/7 as though the league looks the other way at his miserable playoff record, which remains among the worst if not the worst since he began his career. so he has suitors-- since when does the desire correlate with winning titles? it doesn't. but i have seen what he's done here in new york and if he lands with another team then that will be good for new york.

carmelo is incorrigible but there will always be some "neighborhood chick" who believes he is worth the trouble to turn into a winner.

jackson knows better which is why he wants to hold melo to the discount melo himself volunteered but is now reneging on. (do you like that he is reneging?) whatever he ends up being paid in new york it will still be too much.

Pretty sure the Bulls, Rockets, Mavs and Lakers looked the other way. But those are NBA cellar dwelling franchises who dont care about winning, just selling some tickets right? Dude one half of your brain literally makes up bullsh!t, the other half of your brain believes it.

That is not right. I can't stop laughing right now.

I just like how if you manage to overstate Melo's PPG or RPG or (for the love of God!) his FG% by four thousandths of a decimal point, the Bonn Police Brute Patrol comes and puts you in your place, but we have 28/7 being quoted for three pages and nary a word.

hahaha. It's more like when you call the other person an idiot while you double Melo's assist totals.

Riiiiiiiiiight. Selective idiocy is sooo much more credible. Nice topic switch there. Hate on, Bonnie, it's okay.

And I've always thought 3-4 assists is not that bad for a ball hogging, iso cancer. We really going to go down this tunnel again?

With no one to pass the ball to.

Couldn't we just say 8.1 RPG and be done with it?

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nice post by everyone. Deep down inside you know that he is coming back to New York. It's a done deal.

unless its for a decent paycut most of us wont share your enthusiasm. Sorry papabear

Correction. A few would not share. I with papa!

I want the Knicks to get Melo back so I guess "I with papa" too.

I want him back to. Not because I know in my heart he's taking us to a title. Not because he's the savior. Not because I spoon his poster at night. In fact the only Melo anything I have is a give away t-shirt that Marv gave me one night I was too drunk to go home and I crashed on his couch. Ive since cut the sleaves off that shirt and use it to the gym, so I guess you could say the shoulders are shot but that shirt is going strong.

No, I want Melo back because he's an impact player who produces and its strikes me as utterly insane to let a guy as talented and as productive as him walk to gain "flexibility." The same flexibility we used to lure Amare and Joe Johnson here. Oh wait...

With MElo here and no clue from management we still advanced once and made the playoffs 3 atraight years and won 54 two seasons ago. I expect better results with new management. I also expect (already seeing this) a legit pipeline and players that compliment, rather than complicate. I look forward to winning the Atlantic again next year and punching a certain Raptor's fan in the nuts for fun along the way. Thats what I see. Thats what I want.

Fish you should be melo's agent

I dont even love his game. Like Phil, the Mavs, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, etc... I see him for what he is and what he can do for the Knicks. You just dont let 28/7 walk for flexibility. He's just too talented to lose. Also even as he gets older teams with assets pay if he's healthy. Look at what Pierce and KG got. The only concern is he gets hurt and thats not a concern in the NBA. You pay and hope he stays as healthy as he's been over the years.

Our young guys will look a lot better playing next to him. Fisher's job is easier. Phil's job is easier. Bring MElo back. Bring in another stud next year. Keep building through the draft and adding young pieces... the team's prior mistakes were no because Melo was here. They were because the people making the decisions sucked.

I know others feel different. Thats ok. I understand the want to move on from this player. I also remember the same with Ewing.. lets usher in the new era of uptempo more athletic bla bla bla. I just want to see the Knicks win. Much easier with Melo here IMO. I think we go back to winning 50 and the Atlantic next year if he stays. Even as currently constructed.

Except Garnetts contract was worth 12 million not 26 million. Melos contract makes sense for some teams not the Knicks. The Knicks dont have the young core to offset Melos money. Dont give me THJ,Larkin, Early and the Greek as a young core. They are at best rotation players

when Garnett was traded to Boston he was making $23.7mm and was 31 years old.

So Melo walks.. your in the "now we have cap space to sign max stars" camp I assume? If thats the case OK, but who are these guys we are signing? If the Knicks have Melo and win 50 games next year they will still be able to add a max guy with Amare and Bargs coming off the books. A full $20mm a year guy. I would think coming to a 50 win team would attract a bigtime player. Thats Phil and Fisher's challenge. However without Melo its looking like a 35ish win season at best. Can you tell me the last time star player(s) signed big contracts with a losing team? Amare? Joe Johnson (I think Deron was already there). Are those the type of guys your shooting for?

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nice post by everyone. Deep down inside you know that he is coming back to New York. It's a done deal.

unless its for a decent paycut most of us wont share your enthusiasm. Sorry papabear

Correction. A few would not share. I with papa!

I want the Knicks to get Melo back so I guess "I with papa" too.

I want him back to. Not because I know in my heart he's taking us to a title. Not because he's the savior. Not because I spoon his poster at night. In fact the only Melo anything I have is a give away t-shirt that Marv gave me one night I was too drunk to go home and I crashed on his couch. Ive since cut the sleaves off that shirt and use it to the gym, so I guess you could say the shoulders are shot but that shirt is going strong.

No, I want Melo back because he's an impact player who produces and its strikes me as utterly insane to let a guy as talented and as productive as him walk to gain "flexibility." The same flexibility we used to lure Amare and Joe Johnson here. Oh wait...

With MElo here and no clue from management we still advanced once and made the playoffs 3 atraight years and won 54 two seasons ago. I expect better results with new management. I also expect (already seeing this) a legit pipeline and players that compliment, rather than complicate. I look forward to winning the Atlantic again next year and punching a certain Raptor's fan in the nuts for fun along the way. Thats what I see. Thats what I want.

Fish you should be melo's agent

I dont even love his game. Like Phil, the Mavs, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, etc... I see him for what he is and what he can do for the Knicks. You just dont let 28/7 walk for flexibility. He's just too talented to lose. Also even as he gets older teams with assets pay if he's healthy. Look at what Pierce and KG got. The only concern is he gets hurt and thats not a concern in the NBA. You pay and hope he stays as healthy as he's been over the years.

Our young guys will look a lot better playing next to him. Fisher's job is easier. Phil's job is easier. Bring MElo back. Bring in another stud next year. Keep building through the draft and adding young pieces... the team's prior mistakes were no because Melo was here. They were because the people making the decisions sucked.

I know others feel different. Thats ok. I understand the want to move on from this player. I also remember the same with Ewing.. lets usher in the new era of uptempo more athletic bla bla bla. I just want to see the Knicks win. Much easier with Melo here IMO. I think we go back to winning 50 and the Atlantic next year if he stays. Even as currently constructed.

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nice post by everyone. Deep down inside you know that he is coming back to New York. It's a done deal.

unless its for a decent paycut most of us wont share your enthusiasm. Sorry papabear

Correction. A few would not share. I with papa!

I want the Knicks to get Melo back so I guess "I with papa" too.

I want him back to. Not because I know in my heart he's taking us to a title. Not because he's the savior. Not because I spoon his poster at night. In fact the only Melo anything I have is a give away t-shirt that Marv gave me one night I was too drunk to go home and I crashed on his couch. Ive since cut the sleaves off that shirt and use it to the gym, so I guess you could say the shoulders are shot but that shirt is going strong.

No, I want Melo back because he's an impact player who produces and its strikes me as utterly insane to let a guy as talented and as productive as him walk to gain "flexibility." The same flexibility we used to lure Amare and Joe Johnson here. Oh wait...

With MElo here and no clue from management we still advanced once and made the playoffs 3 atraight years and won 54 two seasons ago. I expect better results with new management. I also expect (already seeing this) a legit pipeline and players that compliment, rather than complicate. I look forward to winning the Atlantic again next year and punching a certain Raptor's fan in the nuts for fun along the way. Thats what I see. Thats what I want.

Fish you should be melo's agent

I dont even love his game. Like Phil, the Mavs, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, etc... I see him for what he is and what he can do for the Knicks. You just dont let 28/7 walk for flexibility. He's just too talented to lose. Also even as he gets older teams with assets pay if he's healthy. Look at what Pierce and KG got. The only concern is he gets hurt and thats not a concern in the NBA. You pay and hope he stays as healthy as he's been over the years.

Our young guys will look a lot better playing next to him. Fisher's job is easier. Phil's job is easier. Bring MElo back. Bring in another stud next year. Keep building through the draft and adding young pieces... the team's prior mistakes were no because Melo was here. They were because the people making the decisions sucked.

I know others feel different. Thats ok. I understand the want to move on from this player. I also remember the same with Ewing.. lets usher in the new era of uptempo more athletic bla bla bla. I just want to see the Knicks win. Much easier with Melo here IMO. I think we go back to winning 50 and the Atlantic next year if he stays. Even as currently constructed.

Except Garnetts contract was worth 12 million not 26 million. Melos contract makes sense for some teams not the Knicks. The Knicks dont have the young core to offset Melos money. Dont give me THJ,Larkin, Early and the Greek as a young core. They are at best rotation players

when Garnett was traded to Boston he was making $23.7mm and was 31 years old.

So Melo walks.. your in the "now we have cap space to sign max stars" camp I assume? If thats the case OK, but who are these guys we are signing? If the Knicks have Melo and win 50 games next year they will still be able to add a max guy with Amare and Bargs coming off the books. A full $20mm a year guy. I would think coming to a 50 win team would attract a bigtime player. Thats Phil and Fisher's challenge. However without Melo its looking like a 35ish win season at best. Can you tell me the last time star player(s) signed big contracts with a losing team? Amare? Joe Johnson (I think Deron was already there). Are those the type of guys your shooting for?

Im not saying its a 1 year fix. The problem is another 20m guy wont be enough for the Knicks to win. If I thought Melo and another 20m guy would be enough Id be fine with it but its not. I would like to see the Knicks add draft picks and young players build a team. Carmelo will not bring NY a championship as the best player on the team and we arent going to be able to acquire the young talent to balance his over inflated contract as a 5 or 6 seed.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nice post by everyone. Deep down inside you know that he is coming back to New York. It's a done deal.

unless its for a decent paycut most of us wont share your enthusiasm. Sorry papabear

Correction. A few would not share. I with papa!

I want the Knicks to get Melo back so I guess "I with papa" too.

I want him back to. Not because I know in my heart he's taking us to a title. Not because he's the savior. Not because I spoon his poster at night. In fact the only Melo anything I have is a give away t-shirt that Marv gave me one night I was too drunk to go home and I crashed on his couch. Ive since cut the sleaves off that shirt and use it to the gym, so I guess you could say the shoulders are shot but that shirt is going strong.

No, I want Melo back because he's an impact player who produces and its strikes me as utterly insane to let a guy as talented and as productive as him walk to gain "flexibility." The same flexibility we used to lure Amare and Joe Johnson here. Oh wait...

With MElo here and no clue from management we still advanced once and made the playoffs 3 atraight years and won 54 two seasons ago. I expect better results with new management. I also expect (already seeing this) a legit pipeline and players that compliment, rather than complicate. I look forward to winning the Atlantic again next year and punching a certain Raptor's fan in the nuts for fun along the way. Thats what I see. Thats what I want.

Fish you should be melo's agent

I dont even love his game. Like Phil, the Mavs, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, etc... I see him for what he is and what he can do for the Knicks. You just dont let 28/7 walk for flexibility. He's just too talented to lose. Also even as he gets older teams with assets pay if he's healthy. Look at what Pierce and KG got. The only concern is he gets hurt and thats not a concern in the NBA. You pay and hope he stays as healthy as he's been over the years.

Our young guys will look a lot better playing next to him. Fisher's job is easier. Phil's job is easier. Bring MElo back. Bring in another stud next year. Keep building through the draft and adding young pieces... the team's prior mistakes were no because Melo was here. They were because the people making the decisions sucked.

I know others feel different. Thats ok. I understand the want to move on from this player. I also remember the same with Ewing.. lets usher in the new era of uptempo more athletic bla bla bla. I just want to see the Knicks win. Much easier with Melo here IMO. I think we go back to winning 50 and the Atlantic next year if he stays. Even as currently constructed.

Except Garnetts contract was worth 12 million not 26 million. Melos contract makes sense for some teams not the Knicks. The Knicks dont have the young core to offset Melos money. Dont give me THJ,Larkin, Early and the Greek as a young core. They are at best rotation players

when Garnett was traded to Boston he was making $23.7mm and was 31 years old.

So Melo walks.. your in the "now we have cap space to sign max stars" camp I assume? If thats the case OK, but who are these guys we are signing? If the Knicks have Melo and win 50 games next year they will still be able to add a max guy with Amare and Bargs coming off the books. A full $20mm a year guy. I would think coming to a 50 win team would attract a bigtime player. Thats Phil and Fisher's challenge. However without Melo its looking like a 35ish win season at best. Can you tell me the last time star player(s) signed big contracts with a losing team? Amare? Joe Johnson (I think Deron was already there). Are those the type of guys your shooting for?

Im not saying its a 1 year fix. The problem is another 20m guy wont be enough for the Knicks to win. If I thought Melo and another 20m guy would be enough Id be fine with it but its not. I would like to see the Knicks add draft picks and young players build a team. Carmelo will not bring NY a championship as the best player on the team and we arent going to be able to acquire the young talent to balance his over inflated contract as a 5 or 6 seed.

This makes zero sense. Can you spell it out? So with Melo and another star we have no chance of winning a title. But without Melo we can? I would love to know your plan to get another guy of Melo's caliber, much less multiple guys. By Melo's caliber I mean all NBA and makes the all star game every year. Or when Melo resigns is Phil going on vacation for the rest of the summer as his work is done? Show me your model or another team's plan you want to emulate. Im not seeing your logic.

I didnt say the Knicks would be competing for titles immediately but there is a mountain of evidence suggesting that paying Melo is not the way to build a championship team so why continue to go down the same path. I also believe Melo has 2 seasons before his game takes a serious downturn and we will be stuck paying a 26 million dollar spot up shooter. Look we have different views on how good Melo is I see him as a 5 year 80 million dollar player basically 50 million less than what he is going to get.That to me is horrible use of limited assets

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Nice post by everyone. Deep down inside you know that he is coming back to New York. It's a done deal.

unless its for a decent paycut most of us wont share your enthusiasm. Sorry papabear

Correction. A few would not share. I with papa!

I want the Knicks to get Melo back so I guess "I with papa" too.

I want him back to. Not because I know in my heart he's taking us to a title. Not because he's the savior. Not because I spoon his poster at night. In fact the only Melo anything I have is a give away t-shirt that Marv gave me one night I was too drunk to go home and I crashed on his couch. Ive since cut the sleaves off that shirt and use it to the gym, so I guess you could say the shoulders are shot but that shirt is going strong.

No, I want Melo back because he's an impact player who produces and its strikes me as utterly insane to let a guy as talented and as productive as him walk to gain "flexibility." The same flexibility we used to lure Amare and Joe Johnson here. Oh wait...

With MElo here and no clue from management we still advanced once and made the playoffs 3 atraight years and won 54 two seasons ago. I expect better results with new management. I also expect (already seeing this) a legit pipeline and players that compliment, rather than complicate. I look forward to winning the Atlantic again next year and punching a certain Raptor's fan in the nuts for fun along the way. Thats what I see. Thats what I want.

Fish you should be melo's agent

I dont even love his game. Like Phil, the Mavs, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, etc... I see him for what he is and what he can do for the Knicks. You just dont let 28/7 walk for flexibility. He's just too talented to lose. Also even as he gets older teams with assets pay if he's healthy. Look at what Pierce and KG got. The only concern is he gets hurt and thats not a concern in the NBA. You pay and hope he stays as healthy as he's been over the years.

Our young guys will look a lot better playing next to him. Fisher's job is easier. Phil's job is easier. Bring MElo back. Bring in another stud next year. Keep building through the draft and adding young pieces... the team's prior mistakes were no because Melo was here. They were because the people making the decisions sucked.

I know others feel different. Thats ok. I understand the want to move on from this player. I also remember the same with Ewing.. lets usher in the new era of uptempo more athletic bla bla bla. I just want to see the Knicks win. Much easier with Melo here IMO. I think we go back to winning 50 and the Atlantic next year if he stays. Even as currently constructed.

Except Garnetts contract was worth 12 million not 26 million. Melos contract makes sense for some teams not the Knicks. The Knicks dont have the young core to offset Melos money. Dont give me THJ,Larkin, Early and the Greek as a young core. They are at best rotation players

when Garnett was traded to Boston he was making $23.7mm and was 31 years old.

So Melo walks.. your in the "now we have cap space to sign max stars" camp I assume? If thats the case OK, but who are these guys we are signing? If the Knicks have Melo and win 50 games next year they will still be able to add a max guy with Amare and Bargs coming off the books. A full $20mm a year guy. I would think coming to a 50 win team would attract a bigtime player. Thats Phil and Fisher's challenge. However without Melo its looking like a 35ish win season at best. Can you tell me the last time star player(s) signed big contracts with a losing team? Amare? Joe Johnson (I think Deron was already there). Are those the type of guys your shooting for?

Im not saying its a 1 year fix. The problem is another 20m guy wont be enough for the Knicks to win. If I thought Melo and another 20m guy would be enough Id be fine with it but its not. I would like to see the Knicks add draft picks and young players build a team. Carmelo will not bring NY a championship as the best player on the team and we arent going to be able to acquire the young talent to balance his over inflated contract as a 5 or 6 seed.

This makes zero sense. Can you spell it out? So with Melo and another star we have no chance of winning a title. But without Melo we can? I would love to know your plan to get another guy of Melo's caliber, much less multiple guys. By Melo's caliber I mean all NBA and makes the all star game every year. Or when Melo resigns is Phil going on vacation for the rest of the summer as his work is done? Show me your model or another team's plan you want to emulate. Im not seeing your logic.

I didnt say the Knicks would be competing for titles immediately but there is a mountain of evidence suggesting that paying Melo is not the way to build a championship team so why continue to go down the same path. I also believe Melo has 2 seasons before his game takes a serious downturn and we will be stuck paying a 26 million dollar spot up shooter. Look we have different views on how good Melo is I see him as a 5 year 80 million dollar player basically 50 million less than what he is going to get.That to me is horrible use of limited assets

Exactly, you haven't said anything. if you can't make sense on a forum, where can you?