dk7th wrote:carmelo anthony looks magnificent in a houston uniform. can somebody show me what harden would look like in a knick uniform? just curious.

That was only a possibility if they also signed Lebron, now it looks like Lebron is returning to Miami we have to hope Melo liked the bulls- we'll get nothing back from the rockets- Morey likes to embarrass us to make himself look good.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

FUNNY THING FISH.. robert horry had rings, and never did he have a shortage of places to play.. do you understand when horry retired? WHEN HE WANTED TO!!!!!

Robert horry was coveted by teams who won....and when he got there.. they won..

Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with.

here is where that is useless... It didn't help us last year... and here is another thing, why aren't there players lining up to come here and play with him..why? why is he hopping from plane to plane trying to find a place to play...

Let me give you an example of what a winner and leader does.. Dirk is sitting in Dallas with no contract.. he could have easily asked for a contract and taken a pay cut.. but no, dirk one upped that... he said go out and get the players you feel we need to win if you can, and then come back and take care of me...

Instead carmelo is flying from team to team.. LOL.. who is pining for who?

BTW where is carmelo's black book?

Horry was consistently thrown what amounted to max contracts?
Melo is roaming the country, hopefully knocking on doors with his headband in his hand? Really? Is that how you see it?

One year we don't make the playoffs out of 4 is all that matters. The rest is "fools gold".

Dirk was great, he has a ring due to one magical run, but if remember correctly, he had 6 first round exits, correct?
What Dirk has going for him is an brilliantly insane owner who's tremendously better than ours.

I truly need to understand your reasoning, tkf, if you even do.

no, as I don't understand pointing out that horry is not a max player.. that was a stupid comment by the poster and besides the point.. Horry is a winner... played on winning teams that sought out his services!!!! These are the kind of players I want on my team.. instead they are poked fun of on a forum who roots for a career losers and are dying to give them a max contract because they just love mediocrity....

Understand this carmelo is in Chicago, he was there all day, I hope he signs there, I really do and afterwards you won't need to comment on carmelo because he is no longer a knick and as we all know if they are not on the knicks you are "indifferent" towards them.. right?

You're the one comparing Horry, a 3 point specialist with worse stats (%-wise, by the way) than your friendly neighborhood franchise cancer, currently festering on his way to Houston. Horry played on great teams that won. Does your understanding really mean that those teams don't win without Horry? Put Horry on Denver, the Knicks, the Bucks, Orlando, etc, and tell me how much of a winner he would be. I remember watching Horry and he was in the perfect position on the perfect teams to be a killer.

I understand you hate Melo, hate his game, hate his face, hate his money, and Mardy Collins is your kid's godfather. I get that. And yes, we keep circling back to the fact that if Melo does leave, I really won't be watching and wondering what the Bulls, Rockets, Lakers or Mavs are doing with him. Except when he comes back and kicks our azz.

But understand this: I can almost guarantee you will. Right?

you sound so in love with the dude.. I thought you were a knick fan.. what happened to in phil we trust.. you see I keep the faith that one day we will put a winning team together, one that will certainly be able to consistently beat and dispose of clowns like carmelo... so why do you care at all what he does when he is gone? I thought you were indifferent?

when carmelo leaves, then the building of the knick future begins... don't be a hypocrite.. don't claim to be a knick fan and call guys like me and DK haters when you, papabear and others think the knicks are forever doomed once this loser leaves.. You are exposing yourself and you just refuse to keep it shut...

I am a knick fan. Do you really think 28/8/4 is going to disappear when he comes back to MSG in a different uni? Are you that stupid? If you could take a second and think, would YOU care, Mr. Real Knick Fan, if some other player comes in here and kicks our azz? No, you see, you spend your time right now hoping, praying and gamepicking everyone and anyone to come in here and kick our azz because you're so full of hate for this guy, you can't see anything other than this:

when carmelo leaves, then the building of the knick future begins

I never said anywhere we are doomed if he leaves. I've contributed to threads explaining how we could trade Melo to Houston. Again, you're confusing your constant state of Melohate as being the only possible worldview that reflects actual Knick fandom.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

i look forward to how this foolish melodrama turns out.

I hope when it does resolve, the board can move on and talk about the team as-is, and moving forward, not the battle divided by the support of or extreme hate towards Melo. I mean seriously, do you and TKF really enjoy these arguments that turn nearly personal every time, when you know where every individual stands, and vice-versa? I hope if he stays, you can move forward or decide you can't handle a team with Melo as the lead player and no longer exert the effort, or if he leaves, not defend one another with all the "i told you so's." Hopefully it will all be over soon, because this is every single thread on this board. As a longest-time poster, it has really ruined things around here. People rooting against the Knicks to prove a point, or downplaying any success. No one here even did that during the Layden era and Isiah era for the most part. And It goes both ways too. Hopefully the minute this is over everyone can move on how they see fit.

you have clearly shown from your posting history that carmelo anthiny can do no wrong and is an innocent victim in all this. am i right? so i take everything here that you wrote with a grain of salt.

the only time ANY thread has turned personal-- ANY THREAD-- is not traceable to me and is not traceable to tkf. and you write as someone who promotes self-fulfilling prophecies. for example where do you or anyone get the notion that there will be any "told you so's" when he is gone? have you any evidence that this will happen? same with "people rooting against the knicks" where do you come off making this sort of accusation? the only statement that has any traction is "downplaying success" and that has little or nothing to do with rooting against the team. come on!

friendly advice-- check yourself.

I like Melo and think he's a very good player, and hope he resigns with the team. I have also admitted his flaws and impact in where this team is today, both good and bad. Unfortunately, if i don't completely hate Melo and everything he stands for, i fall into the category you stated above. That seems to be how it works around here.

wrong. Its only those two guys. If you suggest he should be brought back than in the DK/TFK jihadish minds you are simply accepting this infidel and your views are all evil. However the rest of the board is willing to talk about scenarios where he is brought back at a discount, signed and traded, etc etc with various degree of enthusiasm or reluctance. You know... normal fan stuff. Your talking to guys who are here becase they have been ousted from other forums for the anti-Melo trolling.

Im a big advocate of bringing him back, however Im more than happy to take a nice comp package if that doesnt happen and move forward happily with Phil building this thing up. You would never know this however, because if I want Melo back I therefor am an apologist, excuse maker and protector of the infidel. Some days it gets old. Other days its funny. He's coming back... you can be pretty confident about that and when it happens all I can say if your near one of those two nutjobs my only advice is this: duck.

Yes i completely agree, i just said 'around here' to keep it general as to not hurt any feelings. I too want Melo back, but am open to different scenarios and hope we succeed under any of them. If Melo stays, great, we will have an opportunity to build a contender with him, and i fully think its possible with Phil and Fisher's leadership. If he leaves, i think we will rebuild quickly as well.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

i look forward to how this foolish melodrama turns out.

I hope when it does resolve, the board can move on and talk about the team as-is, and moving forward, not the battle divided by the support of or extreme hate towards Melo. I mean seriously, do you and TKF really enjoy these arguments that turn nearly personal every time, when you know where every individual stands, and vice-versa? I hope if he stays, you can move forward or decide you can't handle a team with Melo as the lead player and no longer exert the effort, or if he leaves, not defend one another with all the "i told you so's." Hopefully it will all be over soon, because this is every single thread on this board. As a longest-time poster, it has really ruined things around here. People rooting against the Knicks to prove a point, or downplaying any success. No one here even did that during the Layden era and Isiah era for the most part. And It goes both ways too. Hopefully the minute this is over everyone can move on how they see fit.

you have clearly shown from your posting history that carmelo anthiny can do no wrong and is an innocent victim in all this. am i right? so i take everything here that you wrote with a grain of salt.

the only time ANY thread has turned personal-- ANY THREAD-- is not traceable to me and is not traceable to tkf. and you write as someone who promotes self-fulfilling prophecies. for example where do you or anyone get the notion that there will be any "told you so's" when he is gone? have you any evidence that this will happen? same with "people rooting against the knicks" where do you come off making this sort of accusation? the only statement that has any traction is "downplaying success" and that has little or nothing to do with rooting against the team. come on!

friendly advice-- check yourself.

I like Melo and think he's a very good player, and hope he resigns with the team. I have also admitted his flaws and impact in where this team is today, both good and bad. Unfortunately, if i don't completely hate Melo and everything he stands for, i fall into the category you stated above. That seems to be how it works around here.

wrong. Its only those two guys. If you suggest he should be brought back than in the DK/TFK jihadish minds you are simply accepting this infidel and your views are all evil. However the rest of the board is willing to talk about scenarios where he is brought back at a discount, signed and traded, etc etc with various degree of enthusiasm or reluctance. You know... normal fan stuff. Your talking to guys who are here becase they have been ousted from other forums for the anti-Melo trolling.

Im a big advocate of bringing him back, however Im more than happy to take a nice comp package if that doesnt happen and move forward happily with Phil building this thing up. You would never know this however, because if I want Melo back I therefor am an apologist, excuse maker and protector of the infidel. Some days it gets old. Other days its funny. He's coming back... you can be pretty confident about that and when it happens all I can say if your near one of those two nutjobs my only advice is this: duck.

nice try at demonizing people you don't agree with, goebbels. i want him gone, that's true. i don't care if we get nothing in return, also true. however, if the knicks must retain this non-franchise player then he should be retained at a non-franchise salary.

for the billionth and first time: anything over 14 million per year is going to hurt the knicks.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas Mavs traded for Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison in dirt cheap value deals buying low. That didn't make them a championship team yet both these moves lead to future moves that built Dallas championship core.

Walker's value was then flipped for Jason Terry
Jamison value was flipped for a top 5 pick Devin Harris who was then flipped for Jason Kidd.

This is great hindsight logic. Everyone just knew Jason Kidd had enough left in the tank and Jason Terry was the missing SG necessary to get a chip 6 years after getting him from the Hawks.

This is like saying every piece of dust can and will evolve into a monkey if you give it enough time...

Jrodmc your posting is to advanced for my simple mind. I can't tell if you agree with me and are being sarcastic or you disagree with what I am saying.

I'm just trying to express my opinion on the difference between direct causal relationships and dominoes falling over randomly. I mean, Cuban's about as close to a rich genius blabbermouth as there exists, but Jason Terry 6 years later and Jason Kidd on his last legs?

it comes down to winning, and that in a nutshell is why I want Melo back, poor playoff performances or not. Because when your winning games the players and their stats on your roster mean more. Everyone has more value. Winning is so important. I think its critical to show that last year was a one-off and we are much closer to the 54 win team than the 37 win team. Phil has some more work to do...

you are insane

really, I mean I am having to read that over again to see how any of that makes sense.... Bring a player back, even if he has been a poor playoff performer because winning games makes everyone more valuable.... well how about winning playoff games?

As far as last year, we are supposed to ignore that completely, and believe that we are much closer to the 54 win team, and why is that again?

All I can really say is wow..

Martin! They are hurting my feelings again!!!!! I will be filing a full detailed report, complete with historical evidence of this unfair treatment.

Anyway.. Yes tfk you ignore last year. Why? Because if your talking about Melo teams you have a decade of winning records to work with. As for winning playoff games I agree. Just like with Kevin Garnett, who had even more playoff futility and struggles than Melo you need to build out the whole team.

Funny thing about winning playoff games. You have to get there first. Funny when Robert Horry was a FA he didnt have 5 teams pining to give him the max. Go figure.

it's not about hurt feelings you azzhole. it's about following the rules.

don't waste your time dk, what they are displaying are hurt emotions, and an inability to converse on a higher level.. thats it... and again, this behavior is allowed to continue.. amazing..

i look forward to how this foolish melodrama turns out.

I hope when it does resolve, the board can move on and talk about the team as-is, and moving forward, not the battle divided by the support of or extreme hate towards Melo. I mean seriously, do you and TKF really enjoy these arguments that turn nearly personal every time, when you know where every individual stands, and vice-versa? I hope if he stays, you can move forward or decide you can't handle a team with Melo as the lead player and no longer exert the effort, or if he leaves, not defend one another with all the "i told you so's." Hopefully it will all be over soon, because this is every single thread on this board. As a longest-time poster, it has really ruined things around here. People rooting against the Knicks to prove a point, or downplaying any success. No one here even did that during the Layden era and Isiah era for the most part. And It goes both ways too. Hopefully the minute this is over everyone can move on how they see fit.

you have clearly shown from your posting history that carmelo anthiny can do no wrong and is an innocent victim in all this. am i right? so i take everything here that you wrote with a grain of salt.

the only time ANY thread has turned personal-- ANY THREAD-- is not traceable to me and is not traceable to tkf. and you write as someone who promotes self-fulfilling prophecies. for example where do you or anyone get the notion that there will be any "told you so's" when he is gone? have you any evidence that this will happen? same with "people rooting against the knicks" where do you come off making this sort of accusation? the only statement that has any traction is "downplaying success" and that has little or nothing to do with rooting against the team. come on!

friendly advice-- check yourself.

I like Melo and think he's a very good player, and hope he resigns with the team. I have also admitted his flaws and impact in where this team is today, both good and bad. Unfortunately, if i don't completely hate Melo and everything he stands for, i fall into the category you stated above. That seems to be how it works around here.

wrong. Its only those two guys. If you suggest he should be brought back than in the DK/TFK jihadish minds you are simply accepting this infidel and your views are all evil. However the rest of the board is willing to talk about scenarios where he is brought back at a discount, signed and traded, etc etc with various degree of enthusiasm or reluctance. You know... normal fan stuff. Your talking to guys who are here becase they have been ousted from other forums for the anti-Melo trolling.

Im a big advocate of bringing him back, however Im more than happy to take a nice comp package if that doesnt happen and move forward happily with Phil building this thing up. You would never know this however, because if I want Melo back I therefor am an apologist, excuse maker and protector of the infidel. Some days it gets old. Other days its funny. He's coming back... you can be pretty confident about that and when it happens all I can say if your near one of those two nutjobs my only advice is this: duck.

Yes i completely agree, i just said 'around here' to keep it general as to not hurt any feelings. I too want Melo back, but am open to different scenarios and hope we succeed under any of them. If Melo stays, great, we will have an opportunity to build a contender with him, and i fully think its possible with Phil and Fisher's leadership. If he leaves, i think we will rebuild quickly as well.

exactly how I feel as well, and if the Dallas trade was any indication of how things will go Im not sweating this process at all. I honestly believe Phil. If Im drinking his kool-aid Im perfectly comfortable with admitting that! We will be good with or without. They will just be different paths. Both will be fun and Im looking forward to the start of the season with great anticipation. Hell, Im excited for summer league. Finally a couple prospects worth following.

Yeah it's hard to believe we went from thinking next year's team would look the same (or the same minus Melo) and we would likely have no draft picks or prospects to look forward to, and now our team identity has already changed (replacing Felton and Tyson with Calderon and Dalembert) and we actually got 3 draft picks, plus Larkin. This will be the most exciting summer league has been in awhile. Larkin has a chip on his shoulder and is the equivalent of a mid-to-late first round pick, plus Early would be a first round pick in most drafts. Will be a lot more exciting summer for Knicks basketball than i could have predicted.

fishmike wrote:Hey Osama... Im not demonizing anyone. You hate Melo. TFK hates Melo. Your discussions on the topic are filled of hate and have no basis in logic, just like your $14mm number(nice you game him a raise... used to be $12-$13mm).

So as he's the best player and the most coveted FA on the market (as teams are assuming Lebron isnt available) there will be a lot of chatter about him. Chatter that you and the uni-bomber are capable of adding nothing of interest to, aside from hate for the player and hate for anyone who might want him back.

Say it 10 billion times and its just as stupid as the first time you said it.

no basis in logic.. Oh like you saying the knicks are closer to the 54 win team than a 37 win team? is that based in logic...

tell us one thing that we have said about carmelo that is not based in logic? that he is not a leader? that he is a one tool player? the he cost this franchise? that he is not a playoff winner? show me where any one of those accusations are not true?

YOU Can't.. but instead you will continue to deamonize both dk and myself, throw shade, act like a child and spit out opinions that are not backed up with much fact if any, because you don't do your homework and you post clearly out of emotion fish mike...

So as he's the best player and the most coveted FA on the market (as teams are assuming Lebron isnt available) there will be a lot of chatter about him. Chatter that you and the uni-bomber are capable of adding nothing of interest to, aside from hate for the player and hate for anyone who might want him back.

how is that a compliment? as you said lebron isn't available , as is wade or bosh and love is not a free agent.. so if you are saying carmelo is coveted amongst a group of guys who are pretty much average to good players, then have at it.. that doesn't make carmelo a great player and one that the knicks should resign.... most of the unrestricted Free agents like dirk have not stated they were planning on leaving.. the only one who put out the "I want to test free agency feelers" was carmelo..

trust me if dirk, lebron, wade, bosh all said they wanted to explore the market, this" chatter" about carmelo would be more like a "lull"

BRIGGS wrote:Dalembart
Amare
Melo
Smith
Caleron
Aldrich
Bargnani
Early
hardaway
Larkin

I think pau may just pass up OKC and join phil and fisher.

Toronto got better. Nobody in he east seems to have upgraded IMHO.

Calderon's impact and shooting >> Kidd's final year comparisons already

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VDesai wrote:Whats the deal with Emeka Okafor at this point?

Good question as he could be like q Buck Williams for us if healthy.He'd be cheap and could be very helpful if healthy. We have to remember we won 54 games with different role players with stronger better frontcourt depth increased wing athletiscm and upgrading the 1 position by can't we meet or exceed this number and advance e far the in the playoffs. I was wrong when I thought we could be a championship contender last year but I still think weCAN

I remember reading we were interested in Wizards PF Trevor Booker- I know nothing about him, does anyone know if he's any good? We definitely need a rugged backup PF.

Don't know if Booker is this but we def need someone dedicated to rebounding.