and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.

ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...

these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!

Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.

and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.

ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...

these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!

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gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as well

Larkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton

guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...

Lets be careful anointing these guys...

this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as well

Larkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton

guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...

Lets be careful anointing these guys...

this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...

felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?

Cartman718 wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as well

Larkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton

guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...

Lets be careful anointing these guys...

this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...

felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?

wow, who was the other 6 ranked 44-50th
more importantly, were any STARTING PG's, and played the minutes Felton played along with finishing games

Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.

and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.

ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...

these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!

Your optimism is completely unfounded. I love how everything we traded was awful but everything we gained was impeccable. Unless you're dealing with the Hornets or Cavs, that is never the case when dealing with another team. So clearly you are overestimating what we are getting and underestimating what we gave the Mavs.

RonRon wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Tim Hardaway was 5'11 as well

Larkin's game reminds me of hardaway's. He's got the quickness, handle, jumper & floater in the lane. His actually go in unlike Felton

guns, larkin will be lucky if he has a career as good as felton's.. I remember early in feltons career how he used to drive to the basket.. I know he used to slice us up...

Lets be careful anointing these guys...

this guy could not get time behind calderon and devin harris...

felton was ranked 43rd out of 50 point guards in the league. do you think given the keys calderon or larkin could be worse?

wow, who was the other 6 ranked 44-50th
more importantly, were any STARTING PG's, and played the minutes Felton played along with finishing games

shelvin mack, jj barea, jerryd bayless, aaron brooks, derek fisher!... you get the picture.

foosballnick wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:The only negative of the deal for the Knicks is the extra salary...
Let's break that down...

Next Season - 15/16 Season - 16/17 Season
Felton - 4.3M - 4.5M -
Calderon - 7M - 7.4M - 7.7M

Difference: 2.7M - 2.9M - 7.7M

This amount to a total of 13.3M total....
And we got a 2013 1st rounder, TWO 2014 2nd rounders , and a big upgrade at Point guard

I don't see how this was anything but a steal....

It's because you're playing the short game and have not taken into consideration the long term ramifications of the deal. This is the type of dumb moves we made in the past that led us to Amar'e Stoudemire and squandered Melo's prime.

Don't agree. We moved Tyson and Felton, two pieces that were not in the Knicks plans for beyond next year....and brought back assets for either other trades or for upgraded play (at least at the PG spot). Given the value of Tyson (injuries and eroding play) and Felton (injuries, eroding play and off the court issues).....Phil did relatively well with this trade. In the past the Knicks made trades the other way around. Sending out assets to acquire quys like Tyson.

Trading players at the wrong time has been a Knick specialty e.g. moving Ariza before his peak, keeping Frye too long, keeping David Lee, giving up on Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford, etc. This seems to be the same issue. Chandler is heading into another contract year, so we know that he was going to come out of the gate strong this season. We should've held onto him until the deadline and then make a move to a star-eyed team looking for a homerun trade. The Rockets just got a pick from a lottery team and cap flexibility for a guy that has been a bench player for most of his career. We got less than that for a perennial Defensive Player of the Year candidate and better player. Where is the sense in that?