nixluva wrote:Dolan can pay Kerr whatever he wants. All that matters is that Phil believes in Kerr and that Kerr trusts Phil and both are on the same page. Phil believes Kerr can be his clone on the sidelines plus being some other abilities to the table. Kerr can actually be of help in GM matters and he also played for Popovich and can bring that knowledge to the table. JUST GET'ER DONE!!!

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dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

Eff your salary cap.

the players get paid money. Lots of it. Maybe melo's worth it, maybe he's not. That's apples.

The HOF Coach GM with no experience and the coach to be with no experience get paid money. That's apples.

The untried GM with all the rings gets to tell players to honor their word and take less money.
The untried coach gets to ask for half of what the untried GM is making. Nice. My boss makes 60, I should make 30. Based on what? Height in shoes?

It's called greed on either side of the lines.

Funny, this cap space line argument being used in UK land where all the occupants are so ready to jump up ugly on the "plantation" mentality on other issues.

Melo gets to test free agency after going to the playoffs for over a decade, and he's a greedy douchebag, oblivious and a moron.

The geniuses in the new front office with no experience doing their new jobs get to grab whatever price they can name in the name of culture change, and they're instantly relevant and market savvy, with high BB IQ's.

And other than greed, the only common denominator is our owner happens to retain his idiot troll status.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:Sure it does, you are asking the guy with his face on the marquee to take a pay cut and sacrifice as you and your pal is doing a money grab...

One has nothing to do with the other. 2 words: Salary cap.

It has everything to do with the message you are sending...

If anything, here's the message: culture gonna change, front office and coach on same page, players are next. The base seems to be solid enough

.???...Culture change?.??..Are you kidding ?...Money grab my friend...No change there ...

the players are constrained by a salary cap.

that's apples.

the front office personnel are not constrained by a salary cap.

that's oranges.

if dolan wants to spend money on gm's and coaches it has zero to do with carmelo anthony's salary. if carmelo wishes to see this as apples to apples then he is even more of a moron and douchebag than i already suspect him to be.

you want to imply hypocrisy and double standards to a scenario that does not admit them, and all to justify melo getting paid max money when he clearly doesn't deserve it and it would also hurt the team from doing what it needs to do.

lighten up-- why are you afraid of the knicks moving in the right direction after the owner has admitted he did not know what he was doing all this time? you think he is getting played?

lastly, jackson himself said in so many words that whether melo stays or goes is not as important as the team moving according to a long term plan. it's melo's choice if he wants to participate and seeing what phil and kerr earn should not factor into that decision.

Eff your salary cap.

the players get paid money. Lots of it. Maybe melo's worth it, maybe he's not. That's apples.

The HOF Coach GM with no experience and the coach to be with no experience get paid money. That's apples.

The untried GM with all the rings gets to tell players to honor their word and take less money.
The untried coach gets to ask for half of what the untried GM is making. Nice. My boss makes 60, I should make 30. Based on what? Height in shoes?

It's called greed on either side of the lines.

Funny, this cap space line argument being used in UK land where all the occupants are so ready to jump up ugly on the "plantation" mentality on other issues.

Melo gets to test free agency after going to the playoffs for over a decade, and he's a greedy douchebag, oblivious and a moron.

The geniuses in the new front office with no experience doing their new jobs get to grab whatever price they can name in the name of culture change, and they're instantly relevant and market savvy, with high BB IQ's.

And other than greed, the only common denominator is our owner happens to retain his idiot troll status.

don't worry-- melo is not staying here with this bunch of greedy losers. after all what do 18 rings between the president and the gm really amount to anyway?

jackson can't coach so he will do the next best thing which is have somebody he can rely upon to carry out the institution of system basketball, the triangle offense. kerr played under jackson and alongside mike jordan. kerr played under popovich and alongside tim duncan.

he has zero pedigree because he was basically a sieve, retaining nothing of those experiences and is unable to transmit with any efficiency the precepts he never absorbed.

will you continue watching the knicks when melo walks?

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

Lol, your sense of smell was great during the Isiah error.

You have an agenda here and have had one since the day Phil got hired. Just can't figure out what it is

Ha, reaching back to the Isiah days again??.. How was I with Donnie and MDA?? That's 6 years of data you skipped...Don't try to hard to figure my agenda is, you might hurt yourself...

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

Lol, your sense of smell was great during the Isiah error.

You have an agenda here and have had one since the day Phil got hired. Just can't figure out what it is

Ha, reaching back to the Isiah days again??.. How was I with Donnie and MDA??...Don't try to hard to figure my agenda is, you might hurt yourself...

Yeah, because you were so horribly wrong every step of the way. You were willing and able to give Isiah every opportunity to the burn the franchise to the ground (he did) with each move you blindly cheered on. Not a hint of this new found skeptism and sense of smell. It reeks of someone with an agenda

So was I wrong about Donnie and MDA??

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

Lol, your sense of smell was great during the Isiah error.

You have an agenda here and have had one since the day Phil got hired. Just can't figure out what it is

Ha, reaching back to the Isiah days again??.. How was I with Donnie and MDA??...Don't try to hard to figure my agenda is, you might hurt yourself...

Yeah, because you were so horribly wrong every step of the way. You were willing and able to give Isiah every opportunity to the burn the franchise to the ground (he did) with each move you blindly cheered on. Not a hint of this new found skeptism and sense of smell. It reeks of someone with an agenda

So was I wrong about Donnie and MDA??

No clue, I wasn't here often during their tenure. If I had to guess, I would say yeah based on your brutal track record.

Or you were against everything they did because you were butthurt about Isiah getting ****canned

So you got a good view the two years I was posting during Isiah's tenure and completely missed the last 6 years I was posting..Then feel u can accurately give an account of my track record...And I'm the one with an agenda....

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:The bottom line is this..Phil is overpaid and now Kerr is asking to be overpaid as well...If we are supposedly trying to change the culture and ask players to take less in efforts to build a winning situation, their arguments don't seem credible whether or not it has salary cap impact...They are showing the first opportunity offered, they are making a money grab...But you are asking players to sacrifice...

i agree on the $ aspect to a point on the FO side. thats a lot to drop on an unknown. however, how it relates to players i dont get your view. anthony gets maxed, this team is cooked. you acknowledge the sal cap for players but you seem unwilling to make the split between payment structure that has no cap and one that does. the FO might bother you but it shouldnt have any bearing on the player cap. the player cap must be followed and if they dont handle it well, it doesnt matter if the coach gets 1mill or 10, the team will most likely struggle.

i dont imagine you are arguing paying the coach 500k maxing melo and lets go right? if kerr/mjack/etc come in at 1mill a year is this all a non issue for you? or is it bothering you more about how this relates to anthony.

Again, you are not sending a credible message of sacrifice to players if you are doing a money grab yourself..Salary cap or no salary cap...

so as a player who might want to stay, knows that if he gets maxed, he probably wont win here, he needs even more guidance from the FO to see this point?

anthony could simply not opt out then, see how the first year goes and then decide on a direction. he forced this issue, or will, by opting out. he put it out there he will take a pay cut. now cuz the FO ***might*** pay out for a coach, he should do something diff?
what has changed in terms of the teams sal cap by the coaches pay? does he want to win in ny or not? he most likely wont if he stays at max. no guarantee he wins if he takes a pay cut. thems the breaks though... hes takin a gamble at his next decision no matter what.

Melo is concerned about his legacy and will likely take less elsewhere...If I can sniff out a money grab and draw the conclusion of Culture Change rhetoric is all BS as management try to max out their own deals...I think players can and will draw the same conclusion...

Lol, your sense of smell was great during the Isiah error.

You have an agenda here and have had one since the day Phil got hired. Just can't figure out what it is

Ha, reaching back to the Isiah days again??.. How was I with Donnie and MDA??...Don't try to hard to figure my agenda is, you might hurt yourself...

Yeah, because you were so horribly wrong every step of the way. You were willing and able to give Isiah every opportunity to the burn the franchise to the ground (he did) with each move you blindly cheered on. Not a hint of this new found skeptism and sense of smell. It reeks of someone with an agenda

So was I wrong about Donnie and MDA??

No clue, I wasn't here often during their tenure. If I had to guess, I would say yeah based on your brutal track record.

Or you were against everything they did because you were butthurt about Isiah getting ****canned

So you got a good view the two years I was posting during Isiah's tenure and completely missed the last 6 years I was posting..Then feel u can accurately give an account of my track record...And I'm the one with an agenda....

I'm not the only poster questioning you on it or mentioning words like "credability" when it comes to you.

Here is the thing...I always give reasoning for my thoughts...I don't rail against GM's and coaches simply because I like the previous guy who failed or coach or whatever..If you paid attention to what I was saying then you might have gather that...I was against the MDA hire for specific reasons...I was against giving Amare 100 mil over 5 years for specific reasons...U might not be familiar with the term nuance in liking the Phil hire but not his system and his lackeys...Donnie end up sucking but U don't see me running around the forum pointing fingers to his supporters or at MDA's supporters...That's JV, but isn't beneath you...Speaks volumes of the character...I don't mind getting into a little back and forth about hoops, it's why I joined this forum...You have zero track record posting but don't mind poking your little head out your hole to take pot shots..U seemed to be fixated on me of late, no sweat tho...We can get it on about what ever topic yuou like including Isiah...Isiah ex-palyers have had a very good showing in post season, any comments on that???

Or

If Mike Woodson was paid 4 million annually and won 54 games by year two. How many games should Steve Kerr win by year three?

Rings. Kerr's rings. That's funny. How's Tyson's ring working out for you? Kidd's ring? What exactly did IT's two rings get you?
Russell had 11 rings and couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Horry's got lotsa rings, and so does Worm. Why don't you give them a shot to coach?

He has zero pedigree because he hasn't coached your pickup team, let alone an NBA squad. Or doesn't that bother you?

You don't see the stupid incoherence of holding up a player as a greedy idiot and giving a neophyte GM/announcer a pass for requesting 30 millions balloons to do a job he's never had at any level.

At any level.