knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

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holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

Because his ppg you exaggerated to suit your purpose, he averaged 27. The minutes is an excuse because durant played more TOTAL minutes, while playing the same 38 per game.

Your being very misleading using 38.7 as if durant wasnt 38.5....the minutes per means nothing anyway when melo did not play the most minutes in the regular season.

the bottom line is simple...one player was ridiculous while playing MORE MINUTES.

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knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

Because his ppg you exaggerated to suit your purpose, he averaged 27. The minutes is an excuse because durant played more TOTAL minutes, while playing the same 38 per game.

Your being very misleading using 38.7 as if durant wasnt 38.5....the minutes per means nothing anyway when melo did not play the most minutes in the regular season.

the bottom line is simple...one player was ridiculous while playing MORE MINUTES.

I actually didn't look..I thought it was 27.8 per..not 27.4 per...0.6 pts per, my goodness...But still..27 and 8 not done since Shaq...How is it misleading if I said initially that Melo averaged the most minutes per in the league???..What is misleading if he is doing 38.7 and the next guy is doing 38.5???

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

Because his ppg you exaggerated to suit your purpose, he averaged 27. The minutes is an excuse because durant played more TOTAL minutes, while playing the same 38 per game.

Your being very misleading using 38.7 as if durant wasnt 38.5....the minutes per means nothing anyway when melo did not play the most minutes in the regular season.

the bottom line is simple...one player was ridiculous while playing MORE MINUTES.

I actually didn't look..I thought it was 27.8 per..not 27.4 per...0.6 pts per, my goodness...But still..27 and 8 not done since Shaq...How is it misleading if I said initially that Melo averaged the most minutes per in the league???..What is misleading if he is doing 38.7 and the next guy is doing 38.5???

The misleading is standing on this premise that no one has done what Melo has and he played the most minutes....they are both false.

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holfresh wrote:Knickcity, you are nit picking...

Felton, gun toting, prob had the worst year in his career last year...Shump has his worst year as a Knick last year...Chandler,"DYOP", who complained last playoffs that no one gave him help with the offensive juggernaut Hibbert, had his worst year as a Knick last year...JR for 3/4 of the year had his worst year as a Knick last year...The issue of the Knicks not getting into the playoffs couldn't be their collective play..No it can't be that..It must be the guy calling for the ball at the elbow, the guy who is getting ready to go ISO, the guy who is giving you 27 and 8, yeah him, he must reason why we didn't make the playoffs!!!

I blame them all to be honest, but perhaps when the star player announces after a 54 win season he plans to test free agency perhaps his teammates went into IDGAF mode.

Interesting how all of them awful players suddenly woke up when Phil got signed.

Or was it inserting Amare and JR into the starting line up...

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knickscity wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

Because his ppg you exaggerated to suit your purpose, he averaged 27. The minutes is an excuse because durant played more TOTAL minutes, while playing the same 38 per game.

Your being very misleading using 38.7 as if durant wasnt 38.5....the minutes per means nothing anyway when melo did not play the most minutes in the regular season.

the bottom line is simple...one player was ridiculous while playing MORE MINUTES.

I actually didn't look..I thought it was 27.8 per..not 27.4 per...0.6 pts per, my goodness...But still..27 and 8 not done since Shaq...How is it misleading if I said initially that Melo averaged the most minutes per in the league???..What is misleading if he is doing 38.7 and the next guy is doing 38.5???

Are you serious....Love just averaged 26 and 12.....which do you think is more?

The misleading is standing on this premise that no one has done what Melo has and he played the most minutes....they are both false.

Did you see any games this year??.Was it not the MSG network saying no one has done that since Shaq???...They were more obviously concentrated on the ppg...If Love put up those numbers, then one would think it takes a bit more than one player to get to the playoffs, wouldn't one???..Has Love ever been to the playoffs???..Melo has made 10 appearances...

at least with Love he's been injured alot so he actually hasnt played, but Melo has and still was unable.

But like I said....I blame them all.

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Knickcity, you are nit picking...

Felton, gun toting, prob had the worst year in his career last year...Shump has his worst year as a Knick last year...Chandler,"DYOP", who complained last playoffs that no one gave him help with the offensive juggernaut Hibbert, had his worst year as a Knick last year...JR for 3/4 of the year had his worst year as a Knick last year...The issue of the Knicks not getting into the playoffs couldn't be their collective play..No it can't be that..It must be the guy calling for the ball at the elbow, the guy who is getting ready to go ISO, the guy who is giving you 27 and 8, yeah him, he must reason why we didn't make the playoffs!!!

I blame them all to be honest, but perhaps when the star player announces after a 54 win season he plans to test free agency perhaps his teammates went into IDGAF mode.

Interesting how all of them awful players suddenly woke up when Phil got signed.

Or was it inserting Amare and JR into the starting line up...

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:Speaking of....why are you rounding up Melo's ppg? I knew he didnt average 28 a game, actually had to look to make sure I didnt miss something.

I know he averaged more than 8 boards a game too but rounded that, to which you didn't complain..It didn't give you pause when u said he average 38 mins a game when it was actually 38.7...It didn't give you pause when u said Durant played more minute when he didn't...

Because his ppg you exaggerated to suit your purpose, he averaged 27. The minutes is an excuse because durant played more TOTAL minutes, while playing the same 38 per game.

Your being very misleading using 38.7 as if durant wasnt 38.5....the minutes per means nothing anyway when melo did not play the most minutes in the regular season.

the bottom line is simple...one player was ridiculous while playing MORE MINUTES.

I actually didn't look..I thought it was 27.8 per..not 27.4 per...0.6 pts per, my goodness...But still..27 and 8 not done since Shaq...How is it misleading if I said initially that Melo averaged the most minutes per in the league???..What is misleading if he is doing 38.7 and the next guy is doing 38.5???

Are you serious....Love just averaged 26 and 12.....which do you think is more?

The misleading is standing on this premise that no one has done what Melo has and he played the most minutes....they are both false.

Did you see any games this year??.Was it not the MSG network saying no one has done that since Shaq???...They were more obviously concentrated on the ppg...If Love put up those numbers, then one would think it takes a bit more than one player to get to the playoffs, wouldn't one???..Has Love ever been to the playoffs???..Melo has made 10 appearances...

Do you honestly believe 27 and 8 is better than 26 and 12? But in any case, it goes to show that scoring and rebounding most of your own misses is not enough.

at least with Love he's been injured alot so he auctually hasnt played, but Melo has and still was unable.

But like I said....I blame them all.

Love wasn't injured this year..This is the first year in 11 years Melo's team didn't get to the playoffs...

You asked has Love eve been to the playoffs, so I figured you were opening up his entire career.

But actually he was injured this year i recall one injury being his elbow,

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Knickcity, you are nit picking...

Felton, gun toting, prob had the worst year in his career last year...Shump has his worst year as a Knick last year...Chandler,"DYOP", who complained last playoffs that no one gave him help with the offensive juggernaut Hibbert, had his worst year as a Knick last year...JR for 3/4 of the year had his worst year as a Knick last year...The issue of the Knicks not getting into the playoffs couldn't be their collective play..No it can't be that..It must be the guy calling for the ball at the elbow, the guy who is getting ready to go ISO, the guy who is giving you 27 and 8, yeah him, he must reason why we didn't make the playoffs!!!

I blame them all to be honest, but perhaps when the star player announces after a 54 win season he plans to test free agency perhaps his teammates went into IDGAF mode.

Interesting how all of them awful players suddenly woke up when Phil got signed.

Or was it inserting Amare and JR into the starting line up...

JR started over half the time he played...so nope.
Shumpert played better as well, the team also played much better offensively without Bargnani.
Even felton instantly put his troubles aside and played better.

JR and Amare started together for the first time on March 3rd..The Knicks went 6-1 after that BEFORE the Phil Jackson announcement was made on March 17th...Prior to the insertion of JR and Amare into the starting line up the Knicks had lost 6 in a row...They finished up 16-6 with Amare and JR starting but you want to credit Phil with wins a full two weeks before his announcement..

March 7th was when Phil was reportedly offered the job, and this was amidst the Knicks being on a seven game losing streak

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/07/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks/

As a matter of fact the Knicks lost the first game Stat and JR started anyway, so no, that didnt make a difference....they were due to win a few since they were playing the worst teams in the NBA minus Indy which was Phil's first official looked on game.

but dont take MY word for it......

Winning Streak and Phil Jackson Rumors Have Knicks Back in Playoff Hunt and Feeling Good Once Again
By Neil Bisman
| Monday, Mar 10, 2014 | Updated 11:06 AM EDT

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Winning-Streak-and-Phil-Jackson-Rumors-Have-Knicks-Back-in-Playoff-Hunt-and-Feeling-Good-Once-Again-249285521.html

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gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...

Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..

Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...

shaq did it on 58fg% with 3.4 assists per game.

Melo is doing it shooting 46%..40% from the 3, playing with scrubs, not top 50 HOF type players..

Season	Age	Tm	Lg	Pos	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2013-14	29	NYK	NBA	PF	77	77	38.7	9.6	21.3	.452	2.2	5.4	.402	7.5	15.9	.469	6.0	7.0	.848	1.9	6.2	8.1	3.1	1.2	0.7	2.6	2.9	27.4

no he did it on 45.2% shooting which is below average, and shot the ball 21.3 times. 27.4 ppg is not 28 ppg either. when you score 27.4 points but need 21.3 times to do it that is a recipe for underachievement. and this has been the story of carmelo's career... underachieving .