dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.

Why give him all this street cred?

when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.

also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.

you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.

i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.

it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.

You mean how Walsh's big 2010 FA signing was a guy that D'antoni didn't even want?

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.

Why give him all this street cred?

when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.

also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.

you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.

i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.

it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.

You mean how Walsh's big 2010 FA signing was a guy that D'antoni didn't even want?

Who didn't want Amare? OH! EVERY OTHER TEAM!

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.

Why give him all this street cred?

when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.

also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.

you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.

i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.

it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.

You mean how Walsh's big 2010 FA signing was a guy that D'antoni didn't even want?

Who didn't want Amare? OH! EVERY OTHER TEAM!

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.

Why give him all this street cred?

when he said the knicks roster was "clumsy" and he was proven 100% correct i think that says something.

also, if he were to institute the triangle he would be looking to find players with skills at positions to flesh out that system. you know... kind of like walsh and d'antoni were trying to do before being shoved aside and shown the door.

you have a plan, a system, and you build according to that plan and system.

i see a scenario where phil gets paid equal or more than anthony-- if he decides to retain anthiny at all, that is. i mean lets face it, there is a hint here that jordan and bryant have succeeded in part due to being able to run the triangle, where other kinds of offensive systems would not allow them to be as successful, especially bryant. there is a possibility that one reason jackson is being spoken of at all is because the triangle could suit anthiny and help him succeed.

it is really up to how smart and good a decision maker anthiny could become. history has shown he is bad at it, given that he was used by d'antoni as something akin to a point forward for a minute.

You mean how Walsh's big 2010 FA signing was a guy that D'antoni didn't even want?

Who didn't want Amare? OH! EVERY OTHER TEAM!

Sounds like we're agreeing

And lets that MDA and team for amenestying CB and tying us down to an overrated Tyson - handcuffing the sh1t out of us.

I do agree though that trading for Melo was a bad move if you want MDA as your coach.

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:unless phil gets a long term contract there is no way this will work. If he has a long term contract then he will have the power to say FU to Dolan without an imminent divorce.

this would probably play out exactly like Larry Brown on the off chance this happens

Nah, Larry Brown was a coach who wanted be GM as well. He butted heads with Isiah more than anything else....Dolan gave Isiah power of the franchise, why wouldn't he give Phil the same free-reign?

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:unless phil gets a long term contract there is no way this will work. If he has a long term contract then he will have the power to say FU to Dolan without an imminent divorce.

this would probably play out exactly like Larry Brown on the off chance this happens

Nah, Larry Brown was a coach who wanted be GM as well. He butted heads with Isiah more than anything else....Dolan gave Isiah power of the franchise, why wouldn't he give Phil the same free-reign?

Phil wont fight.. he will just say "Well Ive only won 11 titles, so I understand why you might think your idea is better, but for now lets stick to my plan..."

playa2 wrote:

OldFan wrote:

playa2 wrote:We have never seen Phil Jackson start from scratch and complete anything in the Association.

Why give him all this street cred?

No two situations are the same - but 11 titles is worth something. Just as import I don't think he signs unless he gets complete control and if that removes DOLAN from the decision making that's a huge plus.

If Phil Jackson called the personnel decisions in Chicago and LA, then this looks like a good deal, but if Jimmy D is using this to stop fans from threatening him and win the diehards over then we haven't learned anything.

Dolan blue print to make money with the Knicks has always been starphucking players almost past their prime with injuries, so couldn't he use the same recipe to get on the good graces of diehard fans by duping them again when it comes to big names for the front office ?

Gotta wait and see before we crucify the move( if it happens), if PJ actually makes some good moves then you can't knock the hussle.

Obvioulsy when they went to talk to him they had to ask him what kind of moves you would make, they didn't just say "hey phil, come work for us your a great guy"

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:unless phil gets a long term contract there is no way this will work. If he has a long term contract then he will have the power to say FU to Dolan without an imminent divorce.

this would probably play out exactly like Larry Brown on the off chance this happens

Nah, Larry Brown was a coach who wanted be GM as well. He butted heads with Isiah more than anything else....Dolan gave Isiah power of the franchise, why wouldn't he give Phil the same free-reign?

Yup...people forget that it was L.Brown that wanted Ariza traded.

And the other good thing is that if a coach gets fired mid season we have a better mr interim than uncle herb.