fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

I understand why people dont like his style of play. I understand why people think he cant win in the playoffs. I think those knocks are fair, but you also have to step back and look at the environment. I have no doubt had we kept Lin and Amare was healhy the Knicks would be an elite team. Obviously we know what happened...

Bonn1997 wrote:I don't know. I was never impressed with how Melo and Amare looked or Melo and Lin. Obviously we'd be better than now but I don't think the Knicks ever played much above .500 with those combos - not even in the first Melo-Amare pairing when Amare put up big #s.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

How about a trillion dollars? WTF do I care about Dolan's money?
I'm a Knick fan, not a fuhucking shareholder.

I really like watching/listening to/thinking about/writing about the Knicks playing basketball.
I really like it when they win, I hate it when they lose.
I like when Melo scores 62.
I hated when they dumped Ewing for garbage. [Remember the balloon payments? Did you stay up at night peeing your pants over them?]
I liked it when Chris McNealy got 7 steals in one game.
I laughed when Eddie Lee Wilkins used to pump his fist after a layup during garbage time.
I hated it when BK left.
I liked it when Spree hit those 9 threes in a row. [I would've given the guy 140 mill to play and feed those kids]

I never truly gave a fuhuck what they were paid.

To me, this is NBA basketball, not an MBA course.

this is a really crass position you are taking. dolan loves "fans" like you. winning takes a backseat to entertainment.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

yes i have been repeating this for weeks on end now: in a bloated league with too many teams there will be a dilution of talent. and with the playoff format allowing in more than half the teams it only rewards mediocrity. and when you can't get out of the first round it confirms mediocrity. that is what melo's career has been-- mediocre. he has never improved so the results remain the same year in year out. that is why it is crucial that he realize his actual worth to a winning cause. he has been vastly overpaid here.

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

yes i have been repeating this for weeks on end now: in a bloated league with too many teams there will be a dilution of talent. and with the playoff format allowing in more than half the teams it only rewards mediocrity. and when you can't get out of the first round it confirms mediocrity. that is what melo's career has been-- mediocre. he has never improved so the results remain the same year in year out. that is why it is crucial that he realize his actual worth to a winning cause. he has been vastly overpaid here.

Just curious what your assessment is of the KG led Minnesota teams who lost all those 1st round series in a row. That's an honest question, I'm not trying to bait you or anything.

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

yes i have been repeating this for weeks on end now: in a bloated league with too many teams there will be a dilution of talent. and with the playoff format allowing in more than half the teams it only rewards mediocrity. and when you can't get out of the first round it confirms mediocrity. that is what melo's career has been-- mediocre. he has never improved so the results remain the same year in year out. that is why it is crucial that he realize his actual worth to a winning cause. he has been vastly overpaid here.

Just curious what your assessment is of the KG led Minnesota teams who lost all those 1st round series in a row. That's an honest question, I'm not trying to bait you or anything.

lets start with the fact that kevin garnett is a superior player to melo. worth every penny of his salary, unlike melo. and yes he was ousted many times. and yes his teams were really awful, including wally and a late-blooming billups. but he makes others around him better and so i think they must have overachieved. meanwhile melo's teams were better but he makes others around him worse so i believe they underachieved.

anyway, that is why garnett had to find a situation, with the help of mchale and ainge, wherefrom he could win a title. nobody is going to do the knicks and melo any favors like that. therefore melo has to bite the bullet financially if he wants to win. he should have won two titles with boston but thems the breaks.

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

yes i have been repeating this for weeks on end now: in a bloated league with too many teams there will be a dilution of talent. and with the playoff format allowing in more than half the teams it only rewards mediocrity. and when you can't get out of the first round it confirms mediocrity. that is what melo's career has been-- mediocre. he has never improved so the results remain the same year in year out. that is why it is crucial that he realize his actual worth to a winning cause. he has been vastly overpaid here.

You are a piece of work....I showed you why Melo's teams lost in the first round year after year (because they were usually the lower seed losing to the Spurs and Lakers), and you switch the argument and trash Melo for not dragging Rueben Patterson and Greg Buckner to a better reg season record.

I showed you that the west was very good most of Melo's run with the Nuggs (Mavs, Suns, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs) and yet you ignore that, and continue to rehash the same rhetoric....

@GregAnthony50: Getting ready for @cavs & @nyknicks tonight @NBAonTNT issues abound for both but @carmeloanthony going #BeastMode!

Beast Mode indeed.

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:lets start with the fact that kevin garnett is a superior player to melo. worth every penny of his salary, unlike melo. and yes he was ousted many times. and yes his teams were really awful, including wally and a late-blooming billups. but he makes others around him better and so i think they must have overachieved. meanwhile melo's teams were better but he makes others around him worse so i believe they underachieved.

anyway, that is why garnett had to find a situation, with the help of mchale and ainge, wherefrom he could win a title. nobody is going to do the knicks and melo any favors like that. therefore melo has to bite the bullet financially if he wants to win. he should have won two titles with boston but thems the breaks.

So address KG's roster short comings, but can't bring yourself to address Melo's lack of a supporting cast when he was in Denver? Your hate for Melo disallows any logical convo concerning Melo...

Dont waste your time.