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1/27/2014  9:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2014  9:22 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Then I would let him go

Duncan and Lebron earn in that range. They want to win and have won

At $30mil all the people who say give him the max will be he same people complaining about giving him $30 to sit at the end of the bench in a suit for years. People never learn


Tell that to all the people that responded to building a TEAM at the MAX deal THIS SUMMER

Just as a I expected, they don't understand the cap or they cannot build a team

30m can buy many talents if spent correctly, including the entire starting lineup for Denver right now which is playing much better than ours with MELO

This thread is

1- "HOW TO BUILD AROUND MELO"
NOT

2- because we gave us so many assets in order to get him, we might as well overpay to keep him

3- if you believe we can build around a max extension at about 30m (this summer), please tell me how you intend to add talent on the roster, who you plan to target, and at what salaries

4- Then ask yourself who would win in a 7 game series vs the Pacer's because they are only going to get better

5- It is a trick question, YOU CANNOT BUILD A TEAM if you pay Melo a salary starting at about 27m, by 2015-16 it will go up again to 29m, that is 1/2 the salary cap
Including cap holds, salaries of the players that go beyond 2015 (Felton, JR, Pablo), draft picks coming in *2015 draft pick and if we trade/purchase picks), young talent we decide to keep or sign in the near future, MLE, Tim Hardway JR??, Iman???

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Cap space is 60m in TOTAL combined salaries able to spend on an entire team, player options and TEAM options might not have been included look


6- If you do not understand how the salary works with this new CBA I suggest you either find out on your own with google, if not don't bother replying because you have no clue, and I am not going to explain

If you cannot tell me how to build a team around Melo at that salary, please don't post again on WHY WE SHOULD KEEP and BUILD AROUND MELO if he opts out
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1/27/2014  9:49 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Then I would let him go

Duncan and Lebron earn in that range. They want to win and have won

At $30mil all the people who say give him the max will be he same people complaining about giving him $30 to sit at the end of the bench in a suit for years. People never learn


Papabear Says

I believe that Melo will take less money and he will stay. My reason is Melo really wants to win a ring in New York. He does not want a second fiddle to Jordan in Chicago and With Kobe in LA you would need 2 basketballs in the game. I heard that since Melo made the 62 points his agent is getting more call for endorsements. Right now New York is Melo's town. Yes he will take less money and he will sign for the next 5 years. No doubt about it. There will be no trading Melo or letting him go so all those who are hattin Melo now you will be hating him for the next 5 or six years more. This thread is good for conversation but get real!!! Melo is staying.

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1/27/2014  10:02 PM
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Then I would let him go

Duncan and Lebron earn in that range. They want to win and have won

At $30mil all the people who say give him the max will be he same people complaining about giving him $30 to sit at the end of the bench in a suit for years. People never learn


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I believe that Melo will take less money and he will stay. My reason is Melo really wants to win a ring in New York. He does not want a second fiddle to Jordan in Chicago and With Kobe in LA you would need 2 basketballs in the game. I heard that since Melo made the 62 points his agent is getting more call for endorsements. Right now New York is Melo's town. Yes he will take less money and he will sign for the next 5 years. No doubt about it. There will be no trading Melo or letting him go so all those who are hattin Melo now you will be hating him for the next 5 or six years more. This thread is good for conversation but get real!!! Melo is staying.

How do you know that he's getting these calls? Are you connected to his agent?
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1/27/2014  11:05 PM
paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/27/2014  11:16 PM
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

SO TRUE, but you know there is no way in hell he takes that salary, although it is pretty much what should be paid for a player like him...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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1/27/2014  11:23 PM
Dagger wrote:
Papabear wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Then I would let him go

Duncan and Lebron earn in that range. They want to win and have won

At $30mil all the people who say give him the max will be he same people complaining about giving him $30 to sit at the end of the bench in a suit for years. People never learn


Papabear Says

I believe that Melo will take less money and he will stay. My reason is Melo really wants to win a ring in New York. He does not want a second fiddle to Jordan in Chicago and With Kobe in LA you would need 2 basketballs in the game. I heard that since Melo made the 62 points his agent is getting more call for endorsements. Right now New York is Melo's town. Yes he will take less money and he will sign for the next 5 years. No doubt about it. There will be no trading Melo or letting him go so all those who are hattin Melo now you will be hating him for the next 5 or six years more. This thread is good for conversation but get real!!! Melo is staying.

How do you know that he's getting these calls? Are you connected to his agent?


Papabear Says

I'm close to the entertainment industry. I was involved in arranging the music for commercials for over 40 years. I still get a little info.

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1/27/2014  11:26 PM
tkf wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:tkf... this team would be more than decent if it had a true pg, a true 2-way pg that got any kinda burn. carmelo is not the pg and does not have the ball in his hands for most of the offensive shotclock. this is why rasheed and kidd were important last year they knew how to pass. Carmelo is passing the ball well (especially recently). you cannot take credit away from carmelo because kidd and rasheed were available to show the other players how it's done. carmelo cannot do it all... but you are making it seem like he cannot be the difference between winning and losing.

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

cartman, this team would be better with a SF who can actually play SF, defend, pass and score efficiently....

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

did I miss a parade or something? you guys keep refering to last year as if that was a championship team.. I don't care if last years team won 24 games.. actually I wish we did.. because we owned our own pick this past draft...

let me ask you this.. lets say without carmelo the team would have won 44 games instead of 54? so what? still not a contender.. still not a championship quality team...

what are your expectations? I want sustained excellence....I don't think you will get that with carmelo on this team..


so you basically dislike players on all teams that do not win championships? do you think there's anyone on the current and last year's pacers team is worth liking... it's not like they've won anything with their team.
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1/27/2014  11:26 PM
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

SO TRUE, but you know there is no way in hell he takes that salary, although it is pretty much what should be paid for a player like him...


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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha ha ha you are so funny. Can't wait to see you cry or hear about you crying when Melo signs his new contract with us.

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1/27/2014  11:27 PM
tkf wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:tkf... this team would be more than decent if it had a true pg, a true 2-way pg that got any kinda burn. carmelo is not the pg and does not have the ball in his hands for most of the offensive shotclock. this is why rasheed and kidd were important last year they knew how to pass. Carmelo is passing the ball well (especially recently). you cannot take credit away from carmelo because kidd and rasheed were available to show the other players how it's done. carmelo cannot do it all... but you are making it seem like he cannot be the difference between winning and losing.

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

cartman, this team would be better with a SF who can actually play SF, defend, pass and score efficiently....

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

did I miss a parade or something? you guys keep refering to last year as if that was a championship team.. I don't care if last years team won 24 games.. actually I wish we did.. because we owned our own pick this past draft...

let me ask you this.. lets say without carmelo the team would have won 44 games instead of 54? so what? still not a contender.. still not a championship quality team...

what are your expectations? I want sustained excellence....I don't think you will get that with carmelo on this team..

and thanks for answering my question directly. it was a very simple question which you failed to answer.

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1/27/2014  11:28 PM
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.
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CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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1/27/2014  11:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2014  11:43 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:tkf... this team would be more than decent if it had a true pg, a true 2-way pg that got any kinda burn. carmelo is not the pg and does not have the ball in his hands for most of the offensive shotclock. this is why rasheed and kidd were important last year they knew how to pass. Carmelo is passing the ball well (especially recently). you cannot take credit away from carmelo because kidd and rasheed were available to show the other players how it's done. carmelo cannot do it all... but you are making it seem like he cannot be the difference between winning and losing.

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

cartman, this team would be better with a SF who can actually play SF, defend, pass and score efficiently....

very simple question for you... do you really think that without carmelo the team of last year would have won more games?? i mean come on.

did I miss a parade or something? you guys keep refering to last year as if that was a championship team.. I don't care if last years team won 24 games.. actually I wish we did.. because we owned our own pick this past draft...

let me ask you this.. lets say without carmelo the team would have won 44 games instead of 54? so what? still not a contender.. still not a championship quality team...

what are your expectations? I want sustained excellence....I don't think you will get that with carmelo on this team..

and thanks for answering my question directly. it was a very simple question which you failed to answer.

I gave you an answer... no..... but it doesn't matter.. what would it matter if they won 44, or 54 games if they have no real shot at contention... I also think they would have won less games if they didn't have chandler, JR smith or kidd.. so what is the point? LOL

now answer my question.. would the knicks have won more games last year if they had a franchise player that actually defended and was a leader?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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1/27/2014  11:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/27/2014  11:50 PM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...


Papabear Says

Yes TKF I'm calling you out again. Lies Lies Lies by you. How come you forgot to mention rebounds?? Over 10 rebounds a game, most played minuets per game by any player. And yes anyone who watch the Knicks games knows that Melo is playing hard. You see you never tell the whole story. Everyone on this forum knows how you leave out things that makes Melo look good. Look we all know you hate him and now you are getting ridiculous.

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1/27/2014  11:47 PM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...

Tyson hasn't worked hard in quite awhile. Shump? He is demonstrative on the court. He seems to be trying hard but he isn't effective. Felton works hard when he isn't hurt but yeah I think Melo works harder on game day then any of his teammates. My resume of defending him doesn't compare to your resume of trashing him no matter what the guy does. Again, value your opinion on other nba stuff but not in regards to Melo. Started out not a fan of the trade or the player but over the years reading the irrational stuff guys on here write about him when I watch every game and see how he plays has pushed me into his corner.
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1/28/2014  12:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2014  12:01 AM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...


Papabear Says

Yes TKF I'm calling you out again. Lies Lies Lies by you. How come you forgot to mention rebounds?? Over 10 rebounds a game, most played minuets per game by any player. And yes anyone who watch the Knicks games knows that Melo is playing hard. You see you never tell the whole story. Everyone on this forum knows how you leave out things that makes Melo look good. Look we all know you hate him and now you are getting ridiculous.


I think he's at over 15 rebounds a game!
Seriously, how can you say someone else is lying and then just make up numbers?
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CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...

Tyson hasn't worked hard in quite awhile. Shump? He is demonstrative on the court. He seems to be trying hard but he isn't effective. Felton works hard when he isn't hurt but yeah I think Melo works harder on game day then any of his teammates. My resume of defending him doesn't compare to your resume of trashing him no matter what the guy does. Again, value your opinion on other nba stuff but not in regards to Melo. Started out not a fan of the trade or the player but over the years reading the irrational stuff guys on here write about him when I watch every game and see how he plays has pushed me into his corner.

well how rational is that, taking his side because you feel people are being unfair to this guy? well then why should I trust your opinion on him? the problem here is you are now aligning yourself with carmelo and not the knicks... don't you see the problem with that? again, what does shumpert not being effective have to do with how hard he works.. same with chandler.. wouldn't it make sense that they may work even harder because they are battling major injuries yet they are out there defending hard, every game? again, lets not drag this into the trashing of carmelo.. there is nothing I am saying here that is trashing. I am asking you and others to prove that he plays harder than anyone else.. I find that statement to be ridiculous, considering the guy doesn't defend at all..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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Bonn1997 wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

So the guy that busts his @ss, works harder then anyone else on his team and is keeping the mess that the organization he works for afloat is supposed to take a third less then he makes now? The reason is that it would be noble and the organization will have an epiphany and sign guys that are actually a value and aren't broken down. No more Amare moves, no more McDyess trades, no more Curry trades, no more nonsense because Steve Mills gets it. The labor agreement that was collectively bargained with the intent that guys would be rewarded for staying with their organization is to be ignored and Melo is supposed to give up a 1/3rd of his salary and have faith that the Knicks management and ownership will use that extra 7-8 mil to put together a championship roster? And of course if he doesn't he is evil and flawed.

what makes you think he works harder than anyone else on this team.. I mean this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... are you getting paid by carmelo? I mean this has reached epic levels or ridiculousness.. what makes you think he works hard.. because he scores more points than anyone else.. you do realize that defending takes even more effort and he is probably the worst defender on the team... so how you think he works harder than anyone else is a JOKE...

tyson chandler, shumpert, felton all work and play hard.. they too are limited, but those guys work and play hard out there on the floor..

this type of talk is typical of a fan who is more interested in the player than the team... hero worship.... just horrible... and you have the nerve to call someone a hater...


Papabear Says

Yes TKF I'm calling you out again. Lies Lies Lies by you. How come you forgot to mention rebounds?? Over 10 rebounds a game, most played minuets per game by any player. And yes anyone who watch the Knicks games knows that Melo is playing hard. You see you never tell the whole story. Everyone on this forum knows how you leave out things that makes Melo look good. Look we all know you hate him and now you are getting ridiculous.


I think he's at over 15 rebounds a game!
Seriously, how can you say someone else is lying and then just make up numbers?

Papabear Says

You are a lier Melo has over 9 plus rebounds a game. Yes go to the defense of you hate brother. and in 2014 he has 10 rebounds a game check you records bro. He is the best player on the Knicks. Check your records. He will sign again with the Knicks. So you better grin and bare it or take the trip to Denver with TKF.

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1/28/2014  12:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2014  12:22 AM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

SO TRUE, but you know there is no way in hell he takes that salary, although it is pretty much what should be paid for a player like him...


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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha ha ha you are so funny. Can't wait to see you cry or hear about you crying when Melo signs his new contract with us.

Papabear, I know you are a big supporter in Melo
But even you have realized in the past that we just cannot build a TEAM with any success for the max money this summer
However, some of these posters here don't feel the same way

I have given suggestions on how we could build a team with MELO, however, I don't think it is even possible if we want to be contenders at the max salary THIS SUMER
I have admitted that I don't like him personally but recognized that he does has talent but needs much upgrades in other positions to be able to build a core together

I am a Knick's fan first and want what is best for The Knicks

However, it just isn't possible at a MAX DEAL this summer
Even though I don't think he would sign a long term deal at 12-13m, I do agree with DK, that is about what he is actually worth at his age and length of his contract

But if he doesn't opt out this summer, takes less for 2015 with player options, I don't care if he gets rewarded in 2016
That is the best scenario I can see for Melo and The Knick's both, with both of them in the picture
Regardless, I don't think he should opt out this summer, it just wouldn't make sense with all the talent we need to surround him with that we would not be able to do if he does....

I don't understand how label me a "hater" when I give ways in which we can keep Melo and build a contending team
When the whole point of my posts is to be able to build the best team possible even with Melo, looking out in the best interest of our team
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RonRon wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
dk7th wrote:paying melo the max would alienate even the most irrational of his fans. it would really be better to cut our losses and trade him. too bad dolan does not know what sunk costs are... unless his ego has been hurt by people smarter than him-- like morey. between dolan's fragile ego and melo's primadonna act the knicks are doomed anything short of melo playing for 12 million a year.

12 to 13 million a year for melo is a reasonable and fair salary. he owes knicks fans that much since he has been vastly overpaid this go round as well as crippling the team's future with what has been given up. not talking about "who" anymore but "what." win-now mode is an abject and utter failure and the knicks should have kept with walsh's slow and patient rebuild.

"build it and they will come."

SO TRUE, but you know there is no way in hell he takes that salary, although it is pretty much what should be paid for a player like him...


Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha ha ha you are so funny. Can't wait to see you cry or hear about you crying when Melo signs his new contract with us.

Papabear, I know you are a big supporter in Melo
But even you have realized in the past that we just cannot build a TEAM with any success for the max money this summer
However, some of these posters here don't feel the same way

I have given suggestions on how we could build a team with MELO, however, I don't think it is even possible if we want to be contenders at the max salary THIS SUMER
I have admitted that I don't like him personally but recognized that he does has talent but needs much upgrades in other positions to be able to build a core together

I am a Knick's fan first and want what is best for The Knicks

However, it just isn't possible at a MAX DEAL this summer
Even though I don't think he would sign a long term deal at 12-13m, I do agree with DK, that is about what he is actually worth at his age and length of his contract

But if he doesn't opt out this summer, takes less for 2015 with player options, I don't care if he gets rewarded in 2016
That is the best scenario I can see for Melo and The Knick's both, with both of them in the picture
Regardless, I don't think he should opt out this summer, it just wouldn't make sense with all the talent we need to surround him with that we would not be able to do if he does....


Papabear Says

He can opt out and sign for 25 mil the first year 14 mill the second and third year and 30 million the 4th and 5th year if need be. We only need the 2015 window to sign players so what if we are over the cap in his 4th and 5th year because we will have already signed what we need by Melo taking a low amount those 2 years to sign a max star. Look it's not Melo it's Amear that have us by the balls.
Look it's time for me to go to bed. good night!

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NYY1NYK2 wrote:Deron williams was available, He now has a lingering ankle injury and will never be the same.
We gave up alot for melo, too much. but he was the best player available.

we gave up too much for Melo??? someone says this every day on this board, but I'm wondering if people actually remember how that trade went.

Billups and Melo for: Felton (got him back), Mozgov (please), Wilson Chandler (meh), Gallo (not even close to a big time player), and the pick next year.

Now the pick next year hurts, especially if we'll be a lotto team, which is a possibility. But nobody thought we were going to be a lotto team, and we may very well end up not being one, even though everything has gone wrong.

What's funny to me is when people say "well maybe if we had all those pieces we traded away for Melo......" The biggest piece we gave away in that trade is currently playing in college somewhere, so I don't understand how our next draft pick could have been helping us at this stage. And outside of the pick, we traded a bag of BS for Melo.

Being that Denver had been a much better team than the knicks in the years heading into the trade, you'd figure they'd be in the finals every year with the way people say they ripped us off for Melo. But yea, they can't get out of the first round and this year they're further back from the 8 seed than we are. For a team that ripped us off so badly, and for a team with all that talent, they're absolutely stuck in mud.

Melo isn't as good as LEbron or Durant or prime Kobke or Duncan...we all know that. And it's kind of tough to win a ring unless you have a guy like that. So let's not be unreasonable here- A team with: Gallo, Amare, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and next years' pick wasn't going to be some kind of contender this year.

In other words, the trade was fine.
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