GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Better than nothing!!!

He'll resign with the Clipppers and they will be better.

Bonn, I think waiting three years to start the rebuild is not gonna happen. The business model won't permit it. Dolan won't permit it and I doubt fans who are freaking out (with cause) after 16 games won't permit it. Just my take.

The only way to use cap space is to over pay like Houstan did to grab Asik and Lin and hope those type of players have upside. They have to come from cap space limited teams. How much is Lance Stephanson worth? IF they don't pan out they are liabilities. We tried this once with Anderson and Eisley. They were not horrible, but for the money they were! Lin and Asik are nice players but not as cornerstones and are not starphuch attractions.

Im can't see how we crawl out of this hole for a while. The harder the try we seem to dig down further.

Can dolan not see that no matter how many guys he fires the problem is in the mirror???

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Yea what Melo does is not posting up. Do to YouTube and check out Jordan Kobe Lebron LJ, Mase, Dream and Ewing for tutalage

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

You didn't address one thing I said. It's like you're talking to another person. And I didn't even say I wanted to Blake. I agree efficiency alone makes a player better. No one thing alone makes a player better. The problem is that Melo does nothing better than Blake and many things worse than him.

They both have areas where one is better than the other, I would say that Griffin has a clear cut edge as a finisher, and that's about it.

Melo on the Clippers would work because Paul is already there. It won't be all about Melo as it is here. 3-13

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

A lot of people here give more weight to the eye test than to stats but that doesn't seem to be what you want. You seem to want a blind eye test - a test that does everything possible to ignore every available stat.

As I've told you more than once, stats have their place in a discussion, but if you are going to factor in stats you also have to factor in who they are playing with.

gunsnewing wrote:Blake averages 3assists as a legit PF. Melo 1

Melo on the Clippers would work because Paul is already there. It won't be all about Melo as it is here. 3-13

He is averaging 2.5 on a team of bricklayers.

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

A lot of people here give more weight to the eye test than to stats but that doesn't seem to be what you want. You seem to want a blind eye test - a test that does everything possible to ignore every available stat.

As I've told you more than once, stats have their place in a discussion, but if you are going to factor in stats you also have to factor in who they are playing with.

Well what place do they have then? What stats are you taking into account?

bonn, why waste your time.. he is talking in circles.. use stats only if carmelo stats are better.. use record only if the knicks have a good record.. otherwise use the eye test.. but when you do, then it is back to stats, then when you go to stats you now have to take into account who carmelo plays with... rofl...

" the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round"..