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dk7th wrote:

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holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

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dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can't do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

I understand and agree with what you are saying about melo's talent and wanting to win. However can we at least agree that so far melo hasnt had success in the playoffs and he has flaws in other parts of his agme besides scoring

So you don't consider getting to the playoffs for 10 years, all the years you have been a pro, a good record???..How many NBA players have ever accomplished that??

Also, regarding the playoff record to u hold against him..When Melo played in Denver and came up against the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq in the first round, you hold that against him for losing??..Mind you Earl Boykins is the second highest scorer on those teams..They also faced the Champioship Spurs in the first round as well..When Melo came here in his first year..Melo and 4 dudes faced the Champions, Boston Celtics...42 pts, 17 boards,6 assist later, it's Melo's fault for not winning right???

You make it seem like im a melo hater when in fact i have defended him a lot BUT i also try to tell it like it is.

Again, leave the personal feelings out of the conversation..Let talk facts..Is it Melo fault he lost to the Champioship Lakers, or the Championship Spurs or to the Championship Celtics???..If not, then why harp on the playoff record???

First of all i keep personal feelings aside but you seem not to because you have not once been somewhat critical of melo's game. lets face it if melo was perfect than he would have least been to a nba finals or mvp

Again, touchy, feely...Don't worry about what I'm feeling because u seem to get it wrong all the time...He was third n the NBA MVP race last year, does that count??..My point really is that the Knicks have 1000 more issues before we could get to Melo...I just don't understand the constant need to make Melo the reason we don't take the next step..He is far from being the problem...

because he doesn't make others around him better and he is an inefficient scorer, selfish, and a below-average defender no matter how you slice it, too. usage rate 35% but only 2 assists to show for it and an assist rate around 14%.

why don't you start there? why is he the guy who always "needs better help" and who has a "supporting cast who doesn't step up?" why the excuses when his career has been one of distinct failure in the playoffs? does inefficiency, selfishness, sub-par defense somehow translate to playoff wins for you?!? does leaving denver or potentially new york-- his putative home town-- not smack of a dude chasing money even as he is running away from the cold reality that he isn't as good as he thinks he is??????

Heat second best players behind LeBron is Wade, Bosh...top NBA players
OKC second best player behind Durant is Westbrook, Ibaka..top NBA players
Indy best players behind Boy George is Hibbert, David West
Spurs best players behind Parker is Duncan and Manu
Boston had Rondo, KG and Pierce
Bulls DRose have Deng, Noah, Boozer

Who the hell does Melo have?????..Could this possibly be the problem??????

not if melo is one of five or fewer players capable of putting a team on his back and carrying them.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

So u think u could swap out Lin for any of the three best PG's in the NBA..ok...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

Lin needs to have the ball to be effective, but he will turn it over...That will kill u in the playoffs...Larry Brown has been saying from day one...U hate JR but Lin is the same creature who needs the ball but just not as good...I like JR off the bench..Lin is a bench player too...

The best thing that happen for the Knicks is MDA's resignation, the standings can tell u that...And if you are not convinced' look at the Lakers..

did not watch the lakers at all really last year after they began the season so poorly. i thought it would work... if bryant cooperated.

well... did bryant cooperate or was kobe being kobe?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

Lin needs to have the ball to be effective, but he will turn it over...That will kill u in the playoffs...Larry Brown has been saying from day one...U hate JR but Lin is the same creature who needs the ball but just not as good...I like JR off the bench..Lin is a bench player too...

The best thing that happen for the Knicks is MDA's resignation, the standings can tell u that...And if you are not convinced' look at the Lakers..

did not watch the lakers at all really last year after they began the season so poorly. i thought it would work... if bryant cooperated.

well... did bryant cooperate or was kobe being kobe?

We talking the same Kobe with 5 rings??..

yup. was kobe being kobe or was he cooperating... i can already see where this could be headed

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

Lin needs to have the ball to be effective, but he will turn it over...That will kill u in the playoffs...Larry Brown has been saying from day one...U hate JR but Lin is the same creature who needs the ball but just not as good...I like JR off the bench..Lin is a bench player too...

The best thing that happen for the Knicks is MDA's resignation, the standings can tell u that...And if you are not convinced' look at the Lakers..

did not watch the lakers at all really last year after they began the season so poorly. i thought it would work... if bryant cooperated.

well... did bryant cooperate or was kobe being kobe?

We talking the same Kobe with 5 rings??..

yup. was kobe being kobe or was he cooperating... i can already see where this could be headed

Here is the thing..Coach to the talent on the court..Put them in the best position to execute their talents..U might be a little more successful that way..Just a thought..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

seems like you are making the assumption that scoring points-- no matter how they are acquired-- is sufficient. not only sufficient but in fact it translates to being "dominant." am i right that this is your thinking? i believe i am.

when bryant has tried to do what you think is so important to winning, then guess what: lakers lose most of the time.

lebron is different. lebron's "dominance" is not in scoring but in all aspects of the game because he is that rare nba entity in today's game... the complete player. and what i see in paul george is a young man who is rounding into a complete player too.

bryant appears to many to be a complete player but i don't agree. he, like melo, has been a polarizing figure as a basketball player.

melo? don't make me laugh

lebron and bryant are two players but you said there are less than five players other than melo in the game today... so who are the other one or two players?

So then how do u explain going 18-6 after MDA left, coincidental???
Last years run at the end where the Knicks went 13-0??
These wins don't matter???..He put the team on his back..He won NBA player of the month twice as a result..

Wins matter...The Knicks went as far as their talent took them..Can't blame Melo for that...Melo was best player on the court when they played Indy..The next four best players were Indiana Pacers, so they won..Thats how it works...

I honestly think that those things matter to you more than actually winning a ring..

if you can say he put the team on his back then you must admit that he is also responsible for them losing in the playoffs... because vs the pacers he was not great at all...

I just pointing out the talent he is and there aren't many in the NBA who can do that..U do me a disservice by saying winning a ring isn't important..I want the best talent on this team..I don't care who that individual is...I'll take Bron over Melo 99 times in 100...Many here want players they like on the team like Lin and Gallo...These aren't great players, yet they whine and moan because they are gone..So tell me again who cares about winning rings and who doesn't...

melo is hard to play alongside because of the way he plays. gallinari-- when healthy, and this is a question mark no doubt-- is a terrific advanced stats player. he is an eager defender and gets to the line and keeps the ball moving. if he could only regain his 3-point shooting he would be an all-star. but there is no way he starts on a team that has melo on it. that's step one.

but he would be a great second unit facilitator/scorer and frankly here in new york that would have been embraced...

lin is another guy who showed what he can do when you keep him separate from guys who want to hold onto the ball. so he too, if it turned out he was a knick after melo arrived in free agency, would be a guy who with gallinari could have anchored the best second unit in the league.

just because i like lin and gallinari's games does not preclude imagining their being on the same team a s a melo who arrives in free agency.

now answer tkf's query: what are carmelo anthony's flaws?

Yes or No...If you see Gallo coming off the bench for the Knicks if Melo is here because they play the same position essentially..Did JR have a better year than Gallo last year???...Lin can't run the point on a Championship team, he turns the ball over too much..In Houston, Harden does most of the ball handling, and his t/o are still high...

i can see gallo off the bench no question so the answer is yes. i had the same thought with him out there with stoudemire-- don't squander his talents by having play alongside a limited creator... but then again d'antoni wanted floor spacers in his system so that was that. i don't understand the question about smith and gallo. at the end of the day gallinari is a better all-around basketball player than jr smith, which i am sure you will scoff at. but then i am not easily taken in or infatuated by the things you are. smith is a clown, dude... so far as lin, i don't think it is an ideal situation for lin to be starting alongside harden, which is why i am happy to see mchale considering having lin off the bench where his creativity will be maximized. doesn't mean that he couldn't be a point guard on a true contender. he would fit in pretty well on the spurs or the thunder or perhaps the bulls if parker, westbrook, or rose were not around. i prefer lin to felton 100% of the time but his royal highness melo could not tolerate that.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

So you're saying it's a team game for the first 47:30 and then a 1 on 1 game for the final 00:30

I think Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Isiah, Magic, Kareem etc designed the blueprint, it wasn't me, I can't take credit, but I have been a witness to it...

you do realize all of those guys were complete players.. even bird made all defensive teams... so they usually would win games without them having to come down to final shots, because even as great as they were, they realized you often fail more in those moments than you succeed.... championship teams are not relying on one guy to win games in final moments.. they usually are putting teams away..

Yeah, the blueprint they wrote is that efficient, productive scorers who excel in many phases of the game on both ends of the court win games.

Melo has been winning games the last 10 years..He has been to the playoffs every year of his career..Name the other NBA player who has accomplished that, I don't expect a response...When he played with an all star in Billups, he got to the WCF..Go figure..Efficient Kobe could not make the playoffs alone much less win in the playoffs by himself...Efficient Durant lost in the second round 4-1 to Memphis not playing with another all star...Efficient Wade couldn't make the playoffs without another star playing with him...Efficient/two way KG couldn't do it alone in Minny...Efficient Paul Pierce couldn't do it alone...The formula seems to be a few stars, but stay buried in advanced stats...

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

So you're saying it's a team game for the first 47:30 and then a 1 on 1 game for the final 00:30

I think Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Isiah, Magic, Kareem etc designed the blueprint, it wasn't me, I can't take credit, but I have been a witness to it...

you do realize all of those guys were complete players.. even bird made all defensive teams... so they usually would win games without them having to come down to final shots, because even as great as they were, they realized you often fail more in those moments than you succeed.... championship teams are not relying on one guy to win games in final moments.. they usually are putting teams away..

Yeah, the blueprint they wrote is that efficient, productive scorers who excel in many phases of the game on both ends of the court win games.

Melo has been winning games the last 10 years..He has been to the playoffs every year of his career..Name the other NBA player who has accomplished that, I don't expect a response...When he played with an all star in Billups, he got to the WCF..Go figure..Efficient Kobe could not make the playoffs alone much less win in the playoffs by himself...Efficient Durant lost in the second round 4-1 to Memphis not playing with another all star...Efficient Wade couldn't make the playoffs without another star playing with him...Efficient/two way KG couldn't do it alone in Minny...Efficient Paul Pierce couldn't do it alone...The formula seems to be a few stars, but stay buried in advanced stats...

Nobody is ganging up on melo. Most fans accept him fo what he is which is a tremendous scorer but you cant get mad at people for pointing out his weaknesses

I'm not mad, just dealing the facts..I keep it straight and to the point...U keep getting it wrong tho, Irish...I don't care either way if anyone is gang banging or what ever you are referring to..lay off the touchy feely stuff...u have been 100% wrong on that call today...Every time...

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:There are less than five players in the NBA who can put their teams on the backs and carry them for a sustained period of time..Melo is one if those guys..Melo carried the Knicks two consecutive Aprils..Today's stats guys are lost and treat the NBA like fantasy football..It's defensive winshares that is important..Paul George has 6.3..

please explain the importance of "carrying a team" and "putting a team on ones back" and "going in to beast mode" especially as it pertains to winning in the playoffs. and who are the other five guys and what are their successes in the playoffs.

meanwhile, when i see a guy like paul george i see a great two-way player already and only in his 3rd year, someone who has improved in all aspects of the game each year, and someone who is a team player.

See the careers of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Hakeem, etc...Guys who have been able to take over games in big moments and carry you over the top...

Ok George is a great two way player...How is he going to win games for me when the game is on the line???

5 guys currently in the NBA who can carry a team..

LeBron
Kobe
Melo
CP3..See him put a scare into the Lakers in the playoffs a few years ago..
Harden..MOre need to be seen
Durant
Westbrook... against the Heat in the playoffs..more to be seen..
Tony Parker..maybe..

Are you not aware of which team won the series? Are you not aware of Melo's playoff history either?

Again, It's a team game..Ewing never won, great player, didnt have the pieces, Barkley never won, another great, Karl Malone never won, I can go on...

How many NBA players have been to the playoffs every single year of his career???.Name them!!!!!

Melo's teams have made the playoffs 10 years..

Duncan??

If it's a team game, why are you obsessed with whether Paul George is going to hit the shot with the game on the line? You're contradicting yourself. Clearly their team hit enough shots with games on the line against us.

I think Championship teams needs a closer...We have one..Not many teams have one..Again, Kobe, LeBron, Durant, CP3, Harden??maybe..
Now build a team around him dammit!!!

By the way, all those guys outside of Kobe have another top NBA player next to him and we know what Kobe's team look like..Coincidence???

So you're saying it's a team game for the first 47:30 and then a 1 on 1 game for the final 00:30

I think Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Isiah, Magic, Kareem etc designed the blueprint, it wasn't me, I can't take credit, but I have been a witness to it...

you do realize all of those guys were complete players.. even bird made all defensive teams... so they usually would win games without them having to come down to final shots, because even as great as they were, they realized you often fail more in those moments than you succeed.... championship teams are not relying on one guy to win games in final moments.. they usually are putting teams away..

Yeah, the blueprint they wrote is that efficient, productive scorers who excel in many phases of the game on both ends of the court win games.

Melo has been winning games the last 10 years..He has been to the playoffs every year of his career..Name the other NBA player who has accomplished that, I don't expect a response...When he played with an all star in Billups, he got to the WCF..Go figure..Efficient Kobe could not make the playoffs alone much less win in the playoffs by himself...Efficient Durant lost in the second round 4-1 to Memphis not playing with another all star...Efficient Wade couldn't make the playoffs without another star playing with him...Efficient/two way KG couldn't do it alone in Minny...Efficient Paul Pierce couldn't do it alone...The formula seems to be a few stars, but stay buried in advanced stats...

Nobody is ganging up on melo. Most fans accept him fo what he is which is a tremendous scorer but you cant get mad at people for pointing out his weaknesses

I'm not mad, just dealing the facts..I keep it straight and to the point...U keep getting it wrong tho...I don't care either way if anyone is gang banging or what ever you are referring to..lay off the touchy feely stuff...u have been 100% wrong on that call today...Every time...

Need to relax man. What is with all the "touchy feely stuff" lol. My point was that i dont care where Melo is ranked i just wnat him to keep improving and help this team get far in the playoffs

Irish, you can't be more relaxed than me right now...