yes, this team is quite far from being the best in the league, but if you think Melo's the problem here you're mistaken. SF is the one spot where the Knicks are basicaly never outmatched/outgunned, the problems lie in the team defense and lack of rebounding/strength down in the post, and let's not forget basicaly every opposing team's PG lighting us up for 20+ points regardless of the name last season.

could he play better? absolutely, but I think unless the player we're talking about is LeBron James we can say that for everyone.

And it's not like the Knicks are generaly a dominant NBA franchise (admit it or not) and actualy have a better chance of progressing without Melo.

if anyone's holding this team back it's Amare. I applaud his effort in trying to get back, etc, but it's really just not happening for him and the Knicks, he's weighing this team down with his huge contract way more than you could imagine. Yet most of the people here keep focusing on "Melo being overpaid", when he's actualy the one guy you have to put out for if you wanna keep this franchise competitive/relevant.

Like it or not that's the situation the Knicks are in and letting Melo isn't gonna do you any good. You might not like him, but he's the best you've had in a loooooong time.

OGkush121 wrote:forgetting about James/Durant for a second, but if a top 5 player who also happens to be your franchise player, a scoring champ, is the one who made Knicks relevant again and your main hope and attraction for potentialy bringing in any new big names isn't worth 20 million in today's world, then who is?

yes, this team is quite far from being the best in the league, but if you think Melo's the problem here you're mistaken. SF is the one spot where the Knicks are basicaly never outmatched/outgunned, the problems lie in the team defense and lack of rebounding/strength down in the post, and let's not forget basicaly every opposing team's PG lighting us up for 20+ points regardless of the name last season.

could he play better? absolutely, but I think unless the player we're talking about is LeBron James we can say that for everyone.

And it's not like the Knicks are generaly a dominant NBA franchise (admit it or not) and actualy have a better chance of progressing without Melo.

if anyone's holding this team back it's Amare. I applaud his effort in trying to get back, etc, but it's really just not happening for him and the Knicks, he's weighing this team down with his huge contract way more than you could imagine. Yet most of the people here keep focusing on "Melo being overpaid", when he's actualy the one guy you have to put out for if you wanna keep this franchise competitive/relevant.

Like it or not that's the situation the Knicks are in and letting Melo isn't gonna do you any good. You might not like him, but he's the best you've had in a loooooong time.

gunsnewing wrote:Right Melo is not the problem. The problems go much deeper than Melo. It's an organizational problem. Melo is Dolans big ticket. How awesome would it be if Melo was our 2nd best player. Will never happen if he gets max money. Gotta hope Shumpert blossoms into a 2way superstar and Melo needs to cut out the bad shots and play team ball in the playoffs

I would be very weary of the future of this team. A few weeks or months ago we were talking about competing for 2yrs and then making a splash after 2015. Then Grunwald is fired and Mills is brought back. Then Melo says he is going to test the market. We all know Melo is getting the max. Mills was supposedly brought in to lure free agents. I guess we will have to lower expectations and go after C-level guys like we did last time with Jamal Crawford and eddy curry because Stephen Marbury was making close to $30mil per

knickscity wrote:The bottom line...some just dont feel MELO SHOULD BE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM...unless a chance to win a title is not the expectation.

And you can call those folks whatever you like, that wont change.

And you can post at them about anything positive until your fingers fall off, and that won't change.

And you can show that feelings for a player don't translate into chances or non-chances to win a title, and that won't change.

And you can try and point out that fan is actually short for fanatic, and that consistent negativity doesn't equal instant credibility, and that won't change.

Start the dayum season already!

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:The bottom line...some just dont feel MELO SHOULD BE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM...unless a chance to win a title is not the expectation.

And you can call those folks whatever you like, that wont change.

And you can post at them about anything positive until your fingers fall off, and that won't change.

And you can show that feelings for a player don't translate into chances or non-chances to win a title, and that won't change.

And you can try and point out that fan is actually short for fanatic, and that consistent negativity doesn't equal instant credibility, and that won't change.

Start the dayum season already!

Fanatic can mean that you root very hard for the team to win. It doesn't have to mean that (a) you're blind to weaknesses of the team or (b) you can't tolerate any critical comments about the team.

right. i admit that i was not tolerant of the trade for carmelo anthony. it did not have to happen and as it turns out it looks like it was the wrong move. meantime i have been praising what is praiseworthy from him and the team as a whole and critical when criticism is warranted.

regardless of my "feelings" the clock is ticking....

Dagger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Rather than sign Melo to a gigantic long term contract that we will surely regret 4 and 5 years from now -- I would prefer a trade at this winters trade deadline.

One thought on a trade that works.....

Melo/Tyson for B. Griffin/D. Jordan/ R. Bullock and J. Dudley.

Clips get to pair Melo/Tyson with CP3.

Knicks avoid the Mega-Melo contract and sway 2 older stars for 1 younger star and some solid role players. Still leaves us with a very deep / competitive roster.
This also leaves us with decent young pieces that could be packaged for future picks or other assets.

D. Jordan
B. Griffin
R. Artest
JR
Felton

Prig/Beno
Shump/THJR
Bullock/Dudley
BARGS/STAT
KMART/Tyler

Brick Griffin is horrible no way in hell would I trade melo for him just because he is younger. Without an elite point guard holding his hand griffin would never be able to carry a franchise.

b griff is exactly like amar'e!!!

he'll dunk it for you, he'll put up numbers, but he is an island out there, he needs to be fed the dishes and opportunities, he'll never go out and bang as the big kahuna for you

IronWillGiroud wrote:what's up with b griffin, do you trust his knees for this tradE?? second amar'e??"

I guess I trust his knees more at 24 and say from (25-30) more than I do Melo's at 30 and say from (30-35).

Plus I'm also swapping out an older Chandler for D. Jordan and adding a potential starting SF in Bullock along with another solid sub in Dudley.

On top of that I'm not committing the world to Melo --- leaving us with some flexibility and options.

Plus we aren't solely dependant on Griffin alone -- still have the likes of JR/BARG/Shump/Bullock/Dudley/Felton/STAT/THJR on the roster.

Just saying -- I really am weary about giving Melo a 5-year max deal at 30 when his playoff record is nothing to write home about.

gunsnewing wrote:Melo is better than Paul Pierce because he can score from anywhere on the floor. Team Melo up with a younger kg or Duncan or a stud pg like Paul Parker or rondo and then you have a legit championship contender. Unfornately we tie up the cap on ONE player. We trade picks and all flexibility. Dolan makes irrational decisions with young players who actually show potential. We make th playoffs but don't have enough to get out of the 1st or 2nd round because out max player can't excel at multiple aspects of the game to cover our diffiencies and you get what you get come playoff time.

I would be very weary of the future of this team. A few weeks or months ago we were talking about competing for 2yrs and then making a splash after 2015. Then Grunwald is fired and Mills is brought back. Then Melo says he is going to test the market. We all know Melo is getting the max. Mills was supposedly brought in to lure free agents. I guess we will have to lower expectations and go after C-level guys like we did last time with Jamal Crawford and eddy curry because Stephen Marbury was making close to $30mil per

where can't paul pierce score from... and guns. it is just not that easy.. I mean any team can win With Duncan and KG.. that isn't saying much.. the key is, you as a player have to have a game that allows others to play at their best. I think that has been carmelo's problem. His offensive game is Iso heavy, selfish, and honestly not conducive to a free flowing offense....

Pierce not only defense the SF position(look at the job he did on kobe in the finals), but pierce can score without the ball, is a willing passer and ball mover...

Dolan has been the one contant here in NY during all of this mess, but he is not alone, the people he has brought in, from management to players for the most part, have not been the answer..

smackeddog wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Dagger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Rather than sign Melo to a gigantic long term contract that we will surely regret 4 and 5 years from now -- I would prefer a trade at this winters trade deadline.

One thought on a trade that works.....

Melo/Tyson for B. Griffin/D. Jordan/ R. Bullock and J. Dudley.

Clips get to pair Melo/Tyson with CP3.

Knicks avoid the Mega-Melo contract and sway 2 older stars for 1 younger star and some solid role players. Still leaves us with a very deep / competitive roster.
This also leaves us with decent young pieces that could be packaged for future picks or other assets.

D. Jordan
B. Griffin
R. Artest
JR
Felton

Prig/Beno
Shump/THJR
Bullock/Dudley
BARGS/STAT
KMART/Tyler

Brick Griffin is horrible no way in hell would I trade melo for him just because he is younger. Without an elite point guard holding his hand griffin would never be able to carry a franchise.

b griff is exactly like amar'e!!!

he'll dunk it for you, he'll put up numbers, but he is an island out there, he needs to be fed the dishes and opportunities, he'll never go out and bang as the big kahuna for you

But his face is more annoying- he has one of the most annoying faces in the nba! Griffin never really became the player people thought he would. Doesn't seem to have improved really since his great rookie year. I know he was injured in the playoffs so maybe he just hasn't had the chance to shine. I will say Amar'e was an absolute BEAST in the playoffs- before he had micro fracture surgery, I remember him going up against Tim Duncan and going on an absolute tear.

after like his 3rd full year in the NBA you come to this conclusion?