DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:i don't know, i think bargs fills a need for us,

we need a new way to score and bargs gives us a 7 footer that can make it rain, plus he'll take it to the hole or post you up,

we have a new way to score, that's what we needed most in the current setup,

and we got him essentially for free,

could be really good for us and if it's not really good, it can't really be bad,

he also will give us new ways to get scored on and beat on the board as well...

your forgetting that defense is played as a team. As long as he plays alongside any big not named Amare it should be OK.

It all depends on the role Woodson lays out for him. Put him in the Novak/Copeland role, and I don't see how the defense suffers with him replacing two guys that can't defend a folding chair. We may see an Artest/Melo/Barg front line at times, and even with that we're atleast bolstering the perimeter D with Ron on the court, despite the demotion at C.

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Do people honestly believe Cope is a better player than Bargs?

he dosen't have to be, if people feel they are close, then losing the 3 picks and adding that much salary is just not worth it..

If you're factoring in salary, you have to also consider we're lowering our payroll for Summer 2015 by making this trade, when Amar'e/Tyson/Melo (assuming he opts in for the final year) all come off the books.

But we added that salary back in with the JR and Prigioni resignings.

VCoug wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Do people honestly believe Cope is a better player than Bargs?

he dosen't have to be, if people feel they are close, then losing the 3 picks and adding that much salary is just not worth it..

If you're factoring in salary, you have to also consider we're lowering our payroll for Summer 2015 by making this trade, when Amar'e/Tyson/Melo (assuming he opts in for the final year) all come off the books.

But we added that salary back in with the JR and Prigioni resignings.

azamatbagatov wrote:All you guys talking up Bargnani's game know damn well you wouldn't have been saying the same things about it 2 months ago when he was wearing a Raptors jersey. The guy is a terribly flawed player who is ok at scoring and putrid in every other option of the game. My opinion on his game hasn't changed in years because his game hasn't changed in years. He wears a knicks uniform now and all of those things go away? He's untapped potential at 28? (His age when the season starts)Please

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:Bargnani doesn't excel at anything..... has he had his moments? sure, that is not uncommon in the NBA, but if this guy excelled at anything, he would still be a raptor...

WOW are you clever. NOT! We realize that if AB was ballin out of his mind then no way we could get him. That's the idea of trying to buy low and see if you can get a player to reach his full potential. You are a doubter and that's fine, but you have no idea whether or not AB is gonna play up to his full talent level here in NY.

This isn't Toronto and it's going to be a different environment AB will be placed in. He'll have a different role, which will be based on a different style of play. How Woody uses AB and how he coaches him will be different as well. In fact we've done pretty well at coaching up our players and getting good results. If you're a Knicks fan and have been paying attention rather than kicking rocks, you'd know that. Why should we believe you in thinking AB won't be better here in NY? Recent history has been pretty good with guys we've brought in. Woody has been pretty good at getting his players to buy in and play better and working on their games to improve. It's going to be up to Woody to coach AB up and to give him a role that will maximize his potential. AB has the talent to be a great player in this league.

but we didn't buy low!!!

This isn't Toronto and it's going to be a different environment AB will be placed in. He'll have a different role, which will be based on a different style of play. How Woody uses AB and how he coaches him will be different as well. In fact we've done pretty well at coaching up our players and getting good results.

No you are right, this is NY, where the media and fans place unrealistic expectations upon fragile individuals.. he will not only have more pressure here ,as evidence by these threads, but if he stumbles he will be eaten alive.. he will be begging for the booing in toronto..

If you're a Knicks fan and have been paying attention rather than kicking rocks, you'd know that. Why should we believe you in thinking AB won't be better here in NY? Recent history has been pretty good with guys we've brought in.

Like who? Novak? who by the way had his best stretch under a different coach and PG who are no longer here..

camby?

sheed? how long did he last?

Ronnie Brewer? He was a bum

kenyon martin? he is shot

prigs? he has been a nice surprise, but he doesn't come with the baggage of barnani..

tell me a guy who came here with the same questions and baggage as bargnani that has done well here, under this coach?

Woody has been pretty good at getting his players to buy in and play better and working on their games to improve. It's going to be up to Woody to coach AB up and to give him a role that will maximize his potential. AB has the talent to be a great player in this league.

woody is an enabler and a clown..

azamatbagatov wrote:All you guys talking up Bargnani's game know damn well you wouldn't have been saying the same things about it 2 months ago when he was wearing a Raptors jersey. The guy is a terribly flawed player who is ok at scoring and putrid in every other option of the game. My opinion on his game hasn't changed in years because his game hasn't changed in years. He wears a knicks uniform now and all of those things go away? He's untapped potential at 28? (His age when the season starts)Please

Exactly!!!! I have asked repeatedly, who here was high on this guy before he got here? who?

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:All you guys talking up Bargnani's game know damn well you wouldn't have been saying the same things about it 2 months ago when he was wearing a Raptors jersey. The guy is a terribly flawed player who is ok at scoring and putrid in every other option of the game. My opinion on his game hasn't changed in years because his game hasn't changed in years. He wears a knicks uniform now and all of those things go away? He's untapped potential at 28? (His age when the season starts)Please

I cant argue with anything you said. Look we all love the knicks and we all hope Bargnani actually contributes well for us. However liek you said Bargnani does has flaws and he has to make improvements in order to get more positive reaction for the fanbase. I always support the knicks players but they still need to earn it

I think I am actually one of the few that liked Bargs game. djsunyc is his number one fan. I think he would have been perfect here last year also. I followed the Rockets also last year and thought he would be perfect there as well as a stretch 4. Gotta stop looking at imperfections and look more if the player fits the team as is. Bargs is going to surprise a lot of people.

the only way he will surprise me is if he defends and rebounds.. I won't be holding my breath..

will he have some good scoring games? probably.. but again, how will that surprise anyone?

His rebounding is suspect at best but I would not say he is useless in defense. His value will be gauged on his scoring prowess and his ability to open up scoring for his teammates. The defense I don't see as that bad. He is 7 foot and unless you put him against an athletic SF, I think he will do just fine. I actually think he is better than Amare but that is not saying much.

Also, you can hide his defense liabilities by playing some zone.

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:i don't know, i think bargs fills a need for us,

we need a new way to score and bargs gives us a 7 footer that can make it rain, plus he'll take it to the hole or post you up,

we have a new way to score, that's what we needed most in the current setup,

and we got him essentially for free,

could be really good for us and if it's not really good, it can't really be bad,

he fills a definite needs. There IS a need to stretch the floor and there is a need for guys other than Tyson who can effectively play the pic-n-roll position which is a staples of the Knicks and something Bargs excels in.

Bargnani doesn't excel at anything..... has he had his moments? sure, that is not uncommon in the NBA, but if this guy excelled at anything, he would still be a raptor...

Well I guess this is something we will have to disagree on. I look forward to seeing him in the Blue and Orange Knicks armor and expect well.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:i don't know, i think bargs fills a need for us,

we need a new way to score and bargs gives us a 7 footer that can make it rain, plus he'll take it to the hole or post you up,

we have a new way to score, that's what we needed most in the current setup,

and we got him essentially for free,

could be really good for us and if it's not really good, it can't really be bad,

he fills a definite needs. There IS a need to stretch the floor and there is a need for guys other than Tyson who can effectively play the pic-n-roll position which is a staples of the Knicks and something Bargs excels in.

Bargnani doesn't excel at anything..... has he had his moments? sure, that is not uncommon in the NBA, but if this guy excelled at anything, he would still be a raptor...

Well I guess this is something we will have to disagree on. I look forward to seeing him in the Blue and Orange Knicks armor and expect well.

thats cool.. I just don't share that enthusiasm....