How can any thread starter botch the spelling of a players name so badly?

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:Honestly, I thought they were grooming shump to run some PG duties.. How many teams really run 3 pg's?
3 average PG's? I have no problem with beno, as I think he is an upgrade over prigs,and we should have been patient and looking for a PG that could actually challenge felton to start, as I think felton is a better bench player than starter.... and i would give shump some minutes at point.. i mean, what are we doing with the kid?

For me your thought process is all over the place. Let's look at the situation: The Knicks have vet min and mini-MLE. They have Felton. Prigs played well with the crew and could probably make more than what the Knicks gave him in Europe or even in NBA so you either make him a priority or risk losing him and only have $3M and $1.4M to go after fillers for the team when you need lots of parts.

Do you risk sitting on Beno or Collison with your whole $3M while Prigs and the rest go elsewhere and then are left with DLeagues for backup PG duties?

I know the Knicks would like to have Shump move to PG duties, but is he ready? Do YOU think he is ready if Felton goes down? There is grooming and then there are the realities of him actually being able to play PG. Grooming doesn't mean you still don't go after a 3rd PG BTW, they aren't mutually exclusive.

I would love to move Felton to the bench but what is a realistic situation whereby you get that player? Little to none, so you guard against that by getting Prigs and then going after Beno as appropriate.

I was thinking about this yesterday and this does make sense. Get PP back in the mix and then go from there...Go for the sure thing and then see... I follow that logic. It's not like Udirih would've settled for a vet minimum contract a couple of weeks ago on the spot -- he hasn't accepted those terms now. Not yet anyway -- we'll have to see if a market ever develops for him. If not, then we have a legit shot...Knicks wound up doing the right thing here up to this point, all considered. I agree.

Having said that, the PG position obviously still needs to be upgraded and I'm glad they're still looking. If you go by Berman's article today, Brown looks to be the fallback plan B if Udirih decides to go elsewhere. I like that plan. Slightly different players -- off course, I'd prefer Beno but Brown would be good here too I feel...Sooner or later, Beno's gonna have to make a decision. I don't want to see him drag this out to the point where he spurns us AND we lose out on Brown. Beno's decision needs to come before Brown bolts for China (we have until August 15th I believe). Knicks appear to have the pulse on this whole situation though and appear to have everything lined up properly. Nice job. Only thing left is to come up with another quality big for insurance (Hamed Haddadi wouldn't be terrible I suppose - I'd still prefer Earl Barron myself) and then we'll be pretty much set.

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly tkf and why draft Tim Hardaway? Pg and rebounder were our biggest needs and we got neither to date. Offense was putrid vs the Pacers and we couldn't rebound. Defense was fine

right.. I mean, I just don't get the sense that we know what we are doing.... we are go all in now mode right now.. we are, we are not planning for 2015. we don't have picks... so lets do it right... I would have skipped bargs, kept the 2016 picks, and offered up the rights to our pick this year to a team like denver to see if we could get our hands on andre miller.. novak makes about 1.3 mil less than miller, so we would have to had sent a filler like q rich to even out the deal... Denver needs more consistent outside shooting, and although novaks deal runs a year longer than miller, Maybe throwing in a couple of second round picks would have made the deal palatable for the nuggets..

now you have miller at PG, a good defender, a clutch player, a slow it down guard that would fit well with the knicks.. he would be a clear upgrade over any PG we have now.. Clear upgrade!!

The one thing I can see Hardaway giving us is on his aggressive drives. (That is a nice weapon when you have Melo). I would have preferred Bullock (Guy that went after our pick) but having someone who can drive like Hardaway can really change the game (I hope). Hope we get Udirih but I don't see him signing for less unless he can't find work.

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We can argue semantics. The bottom line is the offense doesn't gel with Felton. Felton excelled in Dantonis system. Pushing the ball up the floor with a healthy Amare and the young guys. Same way Lin excelled for Dantoni and was just another guy out there for Woodson. Another guy catering to Melo ISO

you are going to need to dive a little deeper into your arguments. start here:

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NYK1.HTM

Knicks had the 3rd most efficient offense with Felton playing lots of minutes in the backcourt.

For me, I think Felton is the perfect backup PG on a championship level team. His decision making and shot-making just isn't there. Felton certainly excels in PnR situations but to say he didn't provide enough for the Knicks is barely scratching the surface or completely wrong.

martin that first jump is merely the regular season and really... who cares? the playoffs is what you guys really need to be looking at:

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/seasontype/3

the knicks vis a vis offensive efficiency were a below-average playoff team, ranking 12th out of 16 teams.

the knicks were dead last in assists per game in the playoffs, just like the reg season.

the knicks were 14th in TS% collectively in the playoffs.

RonRon wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

RonRon wrote:Really surprised AJ Price hasn't been involved with more rumors with the Knick's
Also Patty Mills, possibly in a trade with San Antonio with the Brewer's trade exemption if we could have saved one of the 2nd rounders we used for AB

AJ Price could have a REALISTIC option with part of the MLE from the start of free agency
While Nate Robinson/Udrih could have had a bigger portion of it

None of these guys will WOW you with their games/skills but they get the job done and are cheap//cost efficient options that are upgrades and give different elements with their games/skills while Pablo is not even a threat to do a layup even when not contested

They all have the ability to hit a wide open 3pt, create/facilitate, run PnR, and can penetrate/finish *especially with Nate*
For the vet min and is a veteran with decent defense is Jannero Pargo

Now wait a sec, he has done it in games last season even with a defender running at him to prevent his obvious threat from downtown. I have seen him do it at least twice and finish, he is no Jared jeffries

I have seen SHAQ hit a 3pter before too, does that make him a threat?
He has also hit a couple FT's in a row before, I guess that does not make him a horrible FT shooter?
I have seen Pablo NOT attempt to go for a layup when not even contested more than him actually completely a layup, FACT

How can anyone argue about Pablo's inability to finish

And BTW JJ's would have a much better chance hitting a layup, at least, he doesn't fear attempting one when NO ONE IS THERE

misterearl wrote:Udirih

How can any thread starter botch the spelling of a players name so badly?

He added an extra I, big deal. How is that equivalent to botching someone's name "so badly"? You knew who he was talking about.

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:Honestly, I thought they were grooming shump to run some PG duties.. How many teams really run 3 pg's?
3 average PG's? I have no problem with beno, as I think he is an upgrade over prigs,and we should have been patient and looking for a PG that could actually challenge felton to start, as I think felton is a better bench player than starter.... and i would give shump some minutes at point.. i mean, what are we doing with the kid?

For me your thought process is all over the place. Let's look at the situation: The Knicks have vet min and mini-MLE. They have Felton. Prigs played well with the crew and could probably make more than what the Knicks gave him in Europe or even in NBA so you either make him a priority or risk losing him and only have $3M and $1.4M to go after fillers for the team when you need lots of parts.

Do you risk sitting on Beno or Collison with your whole $3M while Prigs and the rest go elsewhere and then are left with DLeagues for backup PG duties?

I know the Knicks would like to have Shump move to PG duties, but is he ready? Do YOU think he is ready if Felton goes down? There is grooming and then there are the realities of him actually being able to play PG. Grooming doesn't mean you still don't go after a 3rd PG BTW, they aren't mutually exclusive.

I would love to move Felton to the bench but what is a realistic situation whereby you get that player? Little to none, so you guard against that by getting Prigs and then going after Beno as appropriate.

here are a couple of threads martin, I will post the link, but in one of these threads there is a list of Free agents available before we made any moves..

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=44978&page=1

in particular 3g had list of free agents(btw, where the heck is 3g?)

Josh Smith
Andre Iguodala
Andrew Bynum
Al Jefferson
Paul Milsap
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
David West
Lamar Odom
Monta Ellis
O.J. Mayo
Jarret Jack
Chauncey Billups
J.J. Hickson
J.J. Redick
Kyle Korver
Andrey Blantche
Toney Allen
Matt Barnes
Mike Dunleavy
Mo Williams
Nate Robsinson
Carl Landry
Nick Young
Corey Brewer
Earl Clark
J.R. Smith
D.J. Augustin
Devin Harris
Dorrell Wright
Tyreke Evans
Chris Andersen
Martell Webster
Dejaun Blair
Wesley Johnson
Al Forqua Aminu
Anthony Murrow
Greg Oden

Then possible others if they decide to Opt out
Trevor Ariza
Emeka Jokafor
Mareese Speights
Shawn Marion
Jerryd Bayless
Ben Gordon

martin, I am not all over the place, we could have done a number of things.. first of all not touching bargnani, I mentioned trying to flip novak and our pick for andre miller...

Dj augustine signed for the vet minimum...

we had options to really upgrade positions of need.. now we are stuggling to sign guys like beno with little money...

Another thread:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=44727&page=3

on a side note martin. I have been a mod on another site for many years.. I have had to deal with disgruntled posters, homers, etc.. every type of fan.... and I will say this, I have been a knick fan longer than carmelo has been playing basketball. I consistently put up with being called a troll and you do nothing about it.. but if I talk negative of carmelo, then I am being modded... One thing I never did was mod opinions, and believe me, I had to fight the urge at times to do so. I enjoy talking ball with you and some others, but don't like the attacks that come my way.. the troll thing, is getting old..

I have been a diehard fan for many, many years.. the knicks have to earn my fandom...

so back on topic.. the knicks had some options actually, and it is just sad that we can't even sign a guy like beno.. I don't care if priggs left... and to keep it real and not diss him, but he is serviceable, but not some guy we had to sign at all cost.. in other words I would rather have felton and a guy like beno locked down with some D leaguer as 3rd string, than to have felton, pablo and possibly some D leaguer as 3rd string... remember we were trying to get bobby brown? who is he?