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MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Rondo has already given indication he wants out. And Knicks will have cap space in 2015, that is an indication they are allowing themselves that opportunity. Knicks with Melo, Shumpert, Hardaway jr, and the cap space will pose one of the more attractive situations for any major free agent that summer. We have young pieces, and not having a couple late first round picks won't matter in this case.

only a knick fan would say and think this.. really, I just beg you for one minute to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is just a NBA fan... I don't think anyone would say that melo, shumpert and hardaway JR makes for any reason to come play for the knicks.. I just don't get that.. but hey...if you think that is an attractive core of players to draw FA's then fine... I will continue to say this.. the knicks are by no means looking towards 2015 other than it being another year to milk fans out of money..

Papabear Says

Well at least you finally admitted that you are not a Knicks fan. You are just a NBA fan who hates the Knicks.

really? why the baiting post?

You just referred to yourself as an NBA fan and others as Knicks fans. Sounds like an accurate description from Papabear cosnidering the tenor of almost entirely all your posts here.

no I didn't.. I asked him to put himself in the shoes of someone who is not a knick fan and just an NBA fan... Not sure how you come to that conclusion... If you are not only a fan of the knicks but a fan of the NBA you would not make such comments....that is my point.. read again..

This isn't the first time that you have declared that you are an NBA fan as a defense of why you are so critical of the Knicks.

ARE YOU Not an Nba fan?

Knicks fan first, NBA fan second. You showed a great deal more enthusiasm this season for the Nuggets and their latest first round exit than you have for any part of the Knicks season last year, win streaks and all. Looks very much like you have the order reversed.

You asked us to see other other side of the argument, well TKF, try to do the same thing. You have a poster who is negative I would say close to 100 percent of the time towards the team, and shows much more love for another team because it has former Knicks on them. You refer to yourself as an NBA fan first, you have done it repeatedly. Sounds what Papabear said is accurate.

If let you up on the negativity once in a while, talked more about some of the positives you can find no matter how small, no one would question your love for the team. Its beyond just constructive criticism. We all do that. We get that your are pessimistic about the Knicks and their future and I can't blame you. But after a while people get tired of being reminded of it at every turn, regardless of the subject. Can you understand why after a point that people would get tired of that? Wouldn't you if the situation was reversed, on a Knicks fan site?

You have a poster who is negative I would say close to 100 percent of the time towards the team, and shows much more love for another team because it has former Knicks on them

well if that were true, wouldn't that show you how much of a knick fan I am? that when the players leave that used to play here, I still have love for them, because they wore the knick uniform? Played hard and honest for us? I on'y root for players that have given to NY what we fans have given to them.. which is why I can still root for lin, lee, gallo, chandler, etc..

Knicks fan first, NBA fan second.

kind of hard to keep things in perspective that way if you ask me..

If let you up on the negativity once in a while, talked more about some of the positives you can find no matter how small,

actually I am.. the possibility of carmelo opting out may be the best thing to happen to this franchise in the past 5 years... honestly.. I am kind of excited again about this team and the prospects of that happening.. if he doesn't go to LA(or anywhere else for that matter) I will be more pissed than the day we traded for him.. Him opting out and leaving is my only hope for the near future.. i want to see the knicks put together a real team.. not this circus act.. sorry, I am not buying this guy, or this mess... i want better.. you should too..

Its one thing to be happy about a former Knick doing well, but you come on a Knicks board and gloat about the Nuggets success, the entire team. not just former Knicks, on a Knicks board. The only "perspective" I see from you is of someone who takes more pleasure in seeing another team do well than his own, no matter how well his team is doing. If that's your perspective, I want no part of it.

Melo leaving the team is the only thing you can come up with? That's just a slick way of saying that you don't like a player. Again, we know. You remind us at every turn.

martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

The indication that the Knicks will have room to re-tweak in 2015 is right in front of your face: cap space. If you don't want to see it, keep riding blind.

Also, please let me know how much cap space CLE has in 2015 and how many other teams will too. Reasonable expectation.

And yes I do think there is a possibility that Rondo leave, management has been trying to trade him and they keep butting heads. Armed with that, why do you think he will stay?

And Love, Aldridge just watch Howard leave for nothing, just like a lot of others; they can certainly do the same.

I think the whole team is under team option.. they can easily just extend waiters and irving and go from there.

I like the Cavs situation but I havent like their choices in the draft. I do like some of the pieces

waiters and tristian thompson are not bad choices at all... but they do have that one key piece.. Kyrie Irving...

you still haven't taken a reasonable stab at what you think CAVS cap situation is for 2015. I say they have around $40M on books, what about you?

ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

tkf wrote:ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

nope. dude, do some research and reading. I have posted about a 3 or 4 different variations on what I think the Knicks cap numbers and assumptions would be about a page or so back. It's like you aren't even trying or paying attention.

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martin wrote:

MS wrote:Who really cares. So we are a 6th seed instead of a five. The Knicks had the model to follow, they broke it, not suprisingly and are now in the same position as always. Not good enough to win a title, but good enough never to improve.

having a gigantic amount of cap space with Love, Rondo, Aldridge come up as free agents doesn't present the opportunity to improve?

martin do you honestly think that rondo will leave boston? seriously... And love and Aldridge will be traded IMO to destinations of their choice and resign.... the key is, how many teams will have cap space and a better situation in 2015..

cap space is great martin, but alone is not enough.. you need a combination of cap space, picks and preferably a young core to move forward with.. I mean every team with cap space can say the same thing you are saying.. cleveland will have a ton of cap space then as well, and they will have uncle drew as a major piece to showcase.. young piece... and picks..

I am not buying that the knicks are building towards 2015.. no way, no how.. nothing they are doing is giving me any indication that is what they are trying to do..

Rondo has already given indication he wants out. And Knicks will have cap space in 2015, that is an indication they are allowing themselves that opportunity. Knicks with Melo, Shumpert, Hardaway jr, and the cap space will pose one of the more attractive situations for any major free agent that summer. We have young pieces, and not having a couple late first round picks won't matter in this case.

only a knick fan would say and think this.. really, I just beg you for one minute to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is just a NBA fan... I don't think anyone would say that melo, shumpert and hardaway JR makes for any reason to come play for the knicks.. I just don't get that.. but hey...if you think that is an attractive core of players to draw FA's then fine... I will continue to say this.. the knicks are by no means looking towards 2015 other than it being another year to milk fans out of money..

Papabear Says

Well at least you finally admitted that you are not a Knicks fan. You are just a NBA fan who hates the Knicks.

really? why the baiting post?

You just referred to yourself as an NBA fan and others as Knicks fans. Sounds like an accurate description from Papabear cosnidering the tenor of almost entirely all your posts here.

no I didn't.. I asked him to put himself in the shoes of someone who is not a knick fan and just an NBA fan... Not sure how you come to that conclusion... If you are not only a fan of the knicks but a fan of the NBA you would not make such comments....that is my point.. read again..

This isn't the first time that you have declared that you are an NBA fan as a defense of why you are so critical of the Knicks.

ARE YOU Not an Nba fan?

Knicks fan first, NBA fan second. You showed a great deal more enthusiasm this season for the Nuggets and their latest first round exit than you have for any part of the Knicks season last year, win streaks and all. Looks very much like you have the order reversed.

You asked us to see other other side of the argument, well TKF, try to do the same thing. You have a poster who is negative I would say close to 100 percent of the time towards the team, and shows much more love for another team because it has former Knicks on them. You refer to yourself as an NBA fan first, you have done it repeatedly. Sounds what Papabear said is accurate.

If let you up on the negativity once in a while, talked more about some of the positives you can find no matter how small, no one would question your love for the team. Its beyond just constructive criticism. We all do that. We get that your are pessimistic about the Knicks and their future and I can't blame you. But after a while people get tired of being reminded of it at every turn, regardless of the subject. Can you understand why after a point that people would get tired of that? Wouldn't you if the situation was reversed, on a Knicks fan site?

You have a poster who is negative I would say close to 100 percent of the time towards the team, and shows much more love for another team because it has former Knicks on them

well if that were true, wouldn't that show you how much of a knick fan I am? that when the players leave that used to play here, I still have love for them, because they wore the knick uniform? Played hard and honest for us? I on'y root for players that have given to NY what we fans have given to them.. which is why I can still root for lin, lee, gallo, chandler, etc..

Knicks fan first, NBA fan second.

kind of hard to keep things in perspective that way if you ask me..

If let you up on the negativity once in a while, talked more about some of the positives you can find no matter how small,

actually I am.. the possibility of carmelo opting out may be the best thing to happen to this franchise in the past 5 years... honestly.. I am kind of excited again about this team and the prospects of that happening.. if he doesn't go to LA(or anywhere else for that matter) I will be more pissed than the day we traded for him.. Him opting out and leaving is my only hope for the near future.. i want to see the knicks put together a real team.. not this circus act.. sorry, I am not buying this guy, or this mess... i want better.. you should too..

Its one thing to be happy about a former Knick doing well, but you come on a Knicks board and gloat about the Nuggets success, the entire team. not just former Knicks, on a Knicks board. The only "perspective" I see from you is of someone who takes more pleasure in seeing another team do well than his own, no matter how well his team is doing. If that's your perspective, I want no part of it.

Melo leaving the team is the only thing you can come up with? That's just a slick way of saying that you don't like a player. Again, we know. You remind us at every turn.

Gloat? we have a thread for other teams. I like watching the nuggets and rockets.. the thread is pretty much what it says it is... and as I said, I am not just a knick fan, I am a fan of the NBA... I mean weren't many of the posters on here extolling the virtues of lebron james after the finals? was that ok?

It doesn't matter if its in the home and garden section. If you're piling on the Knicks even when they're playing well in one part of the forum, and constantly reminding people how well another team is doing in another part, its gloating because you can't get past the trade that brought Melo here.

I'm an NBA fan too, I have league pass and I watch other games and I have expressed my admiration for players on other teams. Its the combination of your relentless criticism of the Knicks, glossing over anything good that happens during the season, and your great enthusiasm for another team that stands out.

I don't know how else I can explain it to you. We all want to see the Knicks win a ring but in the meantime since we have absolutely no control over how the decisions are made, most of us try to get some enjoyment out of what success they do have and you seem unable to do that. Doesn't mean we don't know what a F'ed up situation we're in with the cap and mgmt. I'll just leave it at that. Peace.

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tkf wrote:ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

nope. dude, do some research and reading. I have posted about a 3 or 4 different variations on what I think the Knicks cap numbers and assumptions would be about a page or so back. It's like you aren't even trying or paying attention.

FINE martin, I am not going back and reading that.. I really didn't pay much attention to this thread because I find it more of a dream than being realistic. You are almost speaking in tones of this being a done deal.. it is speculation at best, one in which almost any team can partake in martin.. And if any of your speculation involves carmelo taking any less than 20 mil, then really, we don't have a discussion. how is that being realistic martin?

You are not being realistic at all. .carmelo is not going to take 15 mil, and neither is rondo or kevin love.. not to come to NY.. not where every single player in the league knows dolan PAYS!!

and the salary cap being 62-64 mil? it is 58 mil now martin.. that is a 6 mil leap in just 2-3 years.. the cap was 53 mil in 2006 martin, that is just 5 mil in 6 years and you are expecting 6 mil in half the time? again how realistic is that?

again, we can make up all types of scenarios martin, but come on, lets be realistic..

Miami happened, Howard just happened; anything is possible.

TKF, your opinion and addition to this forum has dropped to levels that are almost pointless. I've asked you to engage in conversation about CLE, detail your thoughts in a back-and-forth, I've given an example of how I did it, and it's obvious you don't want to even try. All you can post about is something negative about Melo. Great, we got that. How about actually engaging in something and detailing your thoughts and putting particulars down?

You know what, I did make an assumption about the salary cap and perhaps 64 is widely on the high side, but I did put down my assumption. 62 may not be out of reach and certainly the Knicks could accommodate their salary structure to fit that by trading small pieces, which makes your whole point about the cap being 60/62/64 pointless to the main gist of the argument, ie mostly a waste of breath in the big picture of things.

No one would have thought that Miami could have pulled off LeBron, Bosh, Wade. No one thought an UFA like Dwight would forgo a fifth year, and yet it was done. If you don't engage in some possibilities, you are wasting your time and ours.

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martin wrote:

tkf wrote:ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

nope. dude, do some research and reading. I have posted about a 3 or 4 different variations on what I think the Knicks cap numbers and assumptions would be about a page or so back. It's like you aren't even trying or paying attention.

FINE martin, I am not going back and reading that.. I really didn't pay much attention to this thread because I find it more of a dream than being realistic. You are almost speaking in tones of this being a done deal.. it is speculation at best, one in which almost any team can partake in martin.. And if any of your speculation involves carmelo taking any less than 20 mil, then really, we don't have a discussion. how is that being realistic martin?

You are not being realistic at all. .carmelo is not going to take 15 mil, and neither is rondo or kevin love.. not to come to NY.. not where every single player in the league knows dolan PAYS!!

and the salary cap being 62-64 mil? it is 58 mil now martin.. that is a 6 mil leap in just 2-3 years.. the cap was 53 mil in 2006 martin, that is just 5 mil in 6 years and you are expecting 6 mil in half the time? again how realistic is that?

again, we can make up all types of scenarios martin, but come on, lets be realistic..

To be realistic, i think the Knicks will resign Melo and add 1 max free agent, either Love, Rondo, or Aldridge. Someone will come and join Melo, Shumpert, etc. Shumpert will continue to develop. I know you might not see it as realistic because in your eyes no one in their right mind would play alongside Melo, but i think it is a realistic scenario. Knicks are trying to do what they can now, while making sure to have 1 max slot open in 2015.

smart players are not difficult to play with or alongside of. any free agent who has thoughts of coming to new york would have to come to terms with the reality that melo is very very difficult to play alongside of or with. he has the ball too often and does not do enough with it to justify the amount of time he has it. love and aldridge would be going against their better basketball instincts by coming here. rondo? he would be a good pickup for the knicks provided he was given carte blanche to call the shots and melo were willing to get fewer touches on offense while digging in on defense.

Has anyone ever said Melo is difficult to play with, or feel he has the ball in his hands too much, or has ever left a team in order to not play with Melo? Great scorers need their touches, but that doesn't mean another scorer will struggle to coexist with him.

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martin wrote:

tkf wrote:ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

nope. dude, do some research and reading. I have posted about a 3 or 4 different variations on what I think the Knicks cap numbers and assumptions would be about a page or so back. It's like you aren't even trying or paying attention.

FINE martin, I am not going back and reading that.. I really didn't pay much attention to this thread because I find it more of a dream than being realistic. You are almost speaking in tones of this being a done deal.. it is speculation at best, one in which almost any team can partake in martin.. And if any of your speculation involves carmelo taking any less than 20 mil, then really, we don't have a discussion. how is that being realistic martin?

You are not being realistic at all. .carmelo is not going to take 15 mil, and neither is rondo or kevin love.. not to come to NY.. not where every single player in the league knows dolan PAYS!!

and the salary cap being 62-64 mil? it is 58 mil now martin.. that is a 6 mil leap in just 2-3 years.. the cap was 53 mil in 2006 martin, that is just 5 mil in 6 years and you are expecting 6 mil in half the time? again how realistic is that?

again, we can make up all types of scenarios martin, but come on, lets be realistic..

To be realistic, i think the Knicks will resign Melo and add 1 max free agent, either Love, Rondo, or Aldridge. Someone will come and join Melo, Shumpert, etc. Shumpert will continue to develop. I know you might not see it as realistic because in your eyes no one in their right mind would play alongside Melo, but i think it is a realistic scenario. Knicks are trying to do what they can now, while making sure to have 1 max slot open in 2015.

i COULD buy that, although I would rather not have carmelo and have rondo and love come.. but I don't see that being realistic as well.. maybe one of them.... but I just don't see how we can have all 3.. under the cap..

tkf wrote:sure anything can happen, but miami was a special situation.. can't bank on that..

As far as Houston.. how is that similar? they exercised financial restraint and it worked, they have harden and Dwight.. they don't have 3 guys making 20+ mil..

we can engage in realistic possibilities martin... but dreaming is also wasting everyones time as well..

wishing and dreaming is fine martin.. but lets not try to sell it off as something highly probably... would I like to have love and rondo? sure, but I just want to be a bit more realistic..

I am not suggesting that something is highly probably, that's your bad assumption. You have suggested that there is not plan and no way out for the Knicks, I have offered a way out.

No one said 3 max players could be on same team while taking less money, and Miami did it. No one said a max free agent would ever forgo a S&T and go to a team without a fifth year (declining an extra $20-30 in guaranteed money), but Howard just did it. Did Houston PLAN this out or did they dream and hope? What about Miami?

So why can't the Knicks? And more importantly, why can't I?

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tkf wrote:sure anything can happen, but miami was a special situation.. can't bank on that..

As far as Houston.. how is that similar? they exercised financial restraint and it worked, they have harden and Dwight.. they don't have 3 guys making 20+ mil..

we can engage in realistic possibilities martin... but dreaming is also wasting everyones time as well..

wishing and dreaming is fine martin.. but lets not try to sell it off as something highly probably... would I like to have love and rondo? sure, but I just want to be a bit more realistic..

I am not suggesting that something is highly probably, that's your bad assumption. You have suggested that there is not plan and no way out for the Knicks, I have offered a way out.

No one said 3 max players could be on same team while taking less money, and Miami did it. No one said a max free agent would ever forgo a S&T and go to a team without a fifth year (declining an extra $20-30 in guaranteed money), but Howard just did it. Did Houston PLAN this out or did they dream and hope? What about Miami?

So why can't the Knicks? And more importantly, why can't I?

OK MARTIN, 2015 may be your plan.. and it may be a good one.. what I am saying with the way the knicks think and operate, they are not thinking of 2015 at all? as soon as they possibly can, they will offer carmelo a gazillion bucks and then go out and try to make a trade( probably shump unfortunately) for another overpaid vet to try to appease carmelo... this is what I feel, simply because this is the way we have done business over the years when dolan is in control.

No one said 3 max players could be on same team while taking less money, and Miami did it. No one said a max free agent would ever forgo a S&T and go to a team without a fifth year (declining an extra $20-30 in guaranteed money), but Howard just did it. Did Houston PLAN this out or did they dream and hope? What about Miami?

martin, that is not a way you run a franchise.. those are exceptions, do you really expect those things to fall into place for the knicks.. chances are they don't.. and those chances are high.. now we can hope.. just like someone can quit their job and hope to win the lottery tomorrow to pay rent.. good luck..

Houston benefited from years of doing business the right way.. It is like the guy who saved his money, didn't party much, didn't spend a lot on fancy clothes and car, and when his neighbor was getting a divorce and needed to sell his 2012 maserati for 20k for quick cash, he was able to take advantage.. now could he have planned on this happening? NO!! but he, by living his life in a certain was is able to take advantage when the opportunity knocks..

The knicks on the other hand, are the guys that don't look for tomorrow.. they overspend, over party, over drink, they buy the cheap looking versace suits that run 20k per.... and when that deal comes for that maserati, they don't have the cash or the means to pull the trigger..

this has been going on for years now martin.. so it is no surprise that we don't end up with guys like chris paul, dwight, etc... but instead overpay for carmelo, end up with JR smith, etc....

and it is reason why I doubt that the situation that happened in miami and Houston will happen here anytime soon until we change our thinking completely..

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martin wrote:

tkf wrote:ok, martin,let me ask.. do you expect carmelo to bolt to the lakers? do you hope he does, because if not, you can count on his 25 mil on the books, plus, shumpert, and JR on the books, that will be close to 40 mil martin... so which is it? carmelo or not?

As far as the cavs.. only jarret jack is guaranteed.. now we know they will extend kyrie, but everyone else is a team option.. so they can realistically not bring any of them back if they feel they have a shot at lebron, kevin love, etc... and have the space... adding in kyrie and lets say jack and they keep waiters, they will be under 30 mil... if they add bynum, they will be slightly over.. could you imagine the cavs with a healthy bynum, kyrie and kevin love? I am, sure that would be something that would attract a player like that.. not saying it will happen, but I am looking at things from an outside point of view..

did that answer your question?

nope. dude, do some research and reading. I have posted about a 3 or 4 different variations on what I think the Knicks cap numbers and assumptions would be about a page or so back. It's like you aren't even trying or paying attention.

FINE martin, I am not going back and reading that.. I really didn't pay much attention to this thread because I find it more of a dream than being realistic. You are almost speaking in tones of this being a done deal.. it is speculation at best, one in which almost any team can partake in martin.. And if any of your speculation involves carmelo taking any less than 20 mil, then really, we don't have a discussion. how is that being realistic martin?

You are not being realistic at all. .carmelo is not going to take 15 mil, and neither is rondo or kevin love.. not to come to NY.. not where every single player in the league knows dolan PAYS!!

and the salary cap being 62-64 mil? it is 58 mil now martin.. that is a 6 mil leap in just 2-3 years.. the cap was 53 mil in 2006 martin, that is just 5 mil in 6 years and you are expecting 6 mil in half the time? again how realistic is that?

again, we can make up all types of scenarios martin, but come on, lets be realistic..

To be realistic, i think the Knicks will resign Melo and add 1 max free agent, either Love, Rondo, or Aldridge. Someone will come and join Melo, Shumpert, etc. Shumpert will continue to develop. I know you might not see it as realistic because in your eyes no one in their right mind would play alongside Melo, but i think it is a realistic scenario. Knicks are trying to do what they can now, while making sure to have 1 max slot open in 2015.

i COULD buy that, although I would rather not have carmelo and have rondo and love come.. but I don't see that being realistic as well.. maybe one of them.... but I just don't see how we can have all 3.. under the cap..

Having 3 is a stretch i agree, although it has clearly happened before. But overall, i'm glad you can see how adding one of these guys is a realistic scenario.

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martin wrote:

tkf wrote:As far as Houston.. how is that similar? they exercised financial restraint and it worked, they have harden and Dwight.. they don't have 3 guys making 20+ mil..

BTW, Houston almost traded for Pau Gasol, right? Was that their initial planning of financial restraint?

Possibly so as they wouldn't have signed Asik, still room for a Max player, especially since all they were giving up were Scola and Martin. That means they still would have had picks and young players in hand. You package those with Gasol if necessary for other moves.

Which btw that's who the Thunder could use to be honest. Gasol and Picks for Harden

yea, read my post above yours.. gasol makes just 5 mil more than asik, I doubt they sign asik and maybe not even lin.. who knows..