dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

Sorry man you are just living in fantasy land with this. I will say it again. Melo was getting traded regardless the minute he refused an extension and teams such as the nets were willing to trade for him without the promise of an extension (see: deron Williams.) what you want to believe is not the reality. But I know there is no convincing you of that. Keep believing Denver was going to let Melo constantly turn down an extension then walk in the lockout offseason leaving them with nothing, even knowing he was only signing with the Knicks. Why we are at it, don't you think Chris Paul should demand the clippers trade him only to the Knicks this offseason and demand they only receive amare in return? This all sounds great to me.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

Walsh traded away last years first round pick and next years first round pick. I believe 2014 is the last first rounder the Knicks have traded. Going the draft route could coincide with the current big 3 contracts expiring. I do think this year was a success and certainly much more successful then the Marbury years. P

CrushAlot wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

Walsh traded away last years first round pick and next years first round pick. I believe 2014 is the last first rounder the Knicks have traded. Going the draft route could coincide with the current big 3 contracts expiring. I do think this year was a success and certainly much more successful then the Marbury years. P

Coming back to the Melo trade. Honestly Denver was acting like are package was so horrible and it really wasnt. They got 3 legitimate rotation players and 2 draft picks. Plus they got to get rid of Billups contract. Had we not taken back Billups we still have are amnesty.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

You got alot to learn my man, the players are paid to entertain, alot dont even receive any of their salary during the playoffs.

They may say they WANT to win, but that is NOT why the majority are there.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Frye was a disappointment and now has been diagnosed with an enlarged heart. I don't think there is a time line for him coming back. Gallo broke down again and may miss most if not all of next season. His career appeared to be on the upswing but the guy can't keep healthy. He was unable to play internationally over the summer because of back and shoulder problems if I recall correctly. Jordan Hill was also a disappointment and certainly wasn't done any favors during his time in NY. I liked him on the Lakers this year before he tore something in his hip but this was the first year that he actually did anything consistently. I used to post his stats after he had decent games because I was really upset with how he was coached in NY and with the McGrady trade. Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not. He is a world beater compared to those guys collectively or individually in my opinion.

Gallo broke down again? rofl this is the first majop injury of his career..

lakers gave jordan hill a new contract.. what are you talking about?

Frye was a goodplayer for the suns before his situation...

Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not.

in your eyes.. and even so.. what has that gotten the knicks?

NOTHING!!!

This guy and his greed and stupidity along with dolan set this franchise back years.... just watch...

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

Who exactly are you talking about? Me and like 4 other posters have said the same exact thing in other threads. You're correct. Had he said and maintained that he would sign extension with NY and NY only, things may have turned out differently.

okay thank you! now who are these others you are mentioning?