fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Vmart wrote:Forget the sources, everyone knows that the Knicks need to get better. They need help scoring all their bigs were a big let down this year. Relying on JR Smith to be a scoring option isn't what you call a smart decision. Ray Felton coming up small in elimination game speaks volumes about his game. Shumpert is still feeling his way through the injury. So if you really look at the Knicks roster they need help a lot of it because most of the vets they relied on for the fast start are done.

All the vets are broken down players. Amare can't really rely on him to be healthy, same with Camby, Kidd is finished, Wallace retired, and Kenyon is a one way player at this stage in his career. There is very little to work with for the Knicks. I can't see the Knicks having a year like they did this year. The Knicks window was this year only unlike Boston had with their vets KG, Peirce and Allen.

Knicks at are a stage where they have to create a new window of opportunity. The window for this current team is closed.

I agree with you but I think we have a core u settling issue that unless addressed will mean we won't be able to win a chip with Melo. It's the combination of a "Star" player who is a one dimensional ball hog and a coach unable to design and run an offense.

If we can get a coach who can force Melo to play in an offensive system and not have him pout about the ridiculous number of shots he is jacking up or if we can get another star player who becomes the primary option with Melo playing the secondary option then our window will re-open.

What we will do instead is repeat this insanity where we spend the entire season without an offensive plan and without involving any of the supporting cast in the offense and then when Melo fails to score 60 points during the playoffs we will pint fingers at everyone but him.

What no one explains is how the supporting players are suddenly expected to start making shots after being completely ignored and forgotten on offense throughout the entire season. That applies to just about everyone except JR and he had a meltdown.

Our problems are simple:

A. Melo can't play with others who need to score the ball - unless he had a guy like Coach K to check his ego
B. Melo then has issues with not having others that can score the ball
C. Woody doesn't know how to coach an offense

If we can solve one of those we might get closer.

We need a scorer bad, one who can shoot and play off of Melo. If its a guard they must be a 3-pt shooter, if its a bigman they must be a solid midrange shooter and post scorer in the David West mold. But we need a guy. I would like to see Shumpert become the 3rd option and JR Smith as the 4th option and 6th man of course. Shumpert does have star potential and can increase his role each year, but we need that 2nd guy now and can't rely on him to be that until year 4 or 5.

we need a star player Melo can play off. Not a scorer to play off Melo. Scorers dont play off Melo because he doesnt pass the ball.

Thought after 10 years in the NBA folks would realize what he is and stop trying to make him into something else.

He needs a player similar to Billups. I never considered Billups a true star (close to it), but the perfect 2nd option to Melo. Only problem was Billups was towards the end of his prime. We need that type of player. Durant has Westbrook in that role. Sort of a 1B guy. Nothing wrong with that, most guys need that to compete for a title.

No one blows up a team that's a lock to reach the finals and compete for a chip right now - yes Durant has help AND far more importantly he appreciates what he has. He doesn't need to take all the shots and play for the scoring title. Does anyone label Durant as selfish or one dimensional? Are you really comparing our dear black hole with Kevin Durant????

Melo's problem is his selfishness and no amount of help can cure him of that. And unless he himself is able to get past it all he will ever be is world's most talented one dimensional ball hog and mental midget.

This issue in combination with Woody's complete inability to coach an offense will mean the exact sane results next year and beyond. There isn't one player in the league outside of CP3 tgat both Melo and Woody will allow to dictate terms. And we can't get him no matter what goes down.

Again we need one of two things to happen:

Coaching change -where we get a guy like Coach K, PJAX or Sloan
Primary star player - for some combination of Tyson/Shumpert/STAT/Melo

I don't care which -but the team as it stands now will be third or fourthin the East behind Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Celts - IIWII

Bottom line is if Melo and durant switched places each team would expect similar results. Your opinion about Melo is nothing but that. I look at results. He got us to the second round without another star. Melo haters think he should have told Denver not to trade him so he could sign with us for less money in the lockout offseason. Be realistic. Also look at his supporting cast. Good role players who looked better around him, but were asked to do too much. Of course he will be selfish. Your personal agenda against him is just unreal. Give him a secondary star and we are competing with Miami right now.

I dont have a personal agenda, and like you I look at results. There are two results to look at. Melo's playoff record which is terrible. Many factors there out of his control. I 100% get that and dont hold him accountable for every loss his team takes in the playoffs. I do ask that guys perform, and thats where this all falls on Melo's shoulders. Year after year after year he does NOT perform well in the playoffs.

Results? There isnt much similar in Melo vs. Durant come playoff time.
Melo 66 games .417FG% 7.3rebs 2.8assists 1.3steals 0.3blocks 2.91TOs 25.7PPG
Durant 54 games .463FG% 8rebs 3.8assists 1.2steals 1.2bllocks 3.15TOs 28.6PPG

The only relation to Melo and Durant in these playoffs is they both were elimatined by better teams. Durant however performed at a very high level. Dude gives you 31ppg, 9rebs, 6assists when his 1b goes down and still shoots .455

These comparisons are a total joke.

Why cant you just admit Melo has performed poorly in these playoffs as a Knick? ALL of them? Sure he has some big games. Followed by 10-35 and 6-16 type shooting performances in following games. Thats been his whole career w/ Denver and Knicks also. Keep telling yourself its going to change. This is not Melo hate or Knick hate. This is reality.

We have seen Melo beast. We have seen him play elite BB. We have seen him lead Denver and NY teams on extended runs winning tons of regular season games. Look at the start of the season. The guy can play. But he's not consistant and never has been and has pretty easy to see issues in his game and approach that say what you see is what you get with this player.

If Melo wanted to make adjustments he would have played for MDA. This is a guy who has inflated every player's numbers, and when he had talented rosters went deep into the playoffs year after year. That wasnt his style of ball, and Melo doesnt wait in the corner to be passed to. Melo gets the ball and pounds the rock and gets his. Sometimes its great. Sometimes its not. Come playoffs lots more of not than great.

And to add on to fish, every time he freezes out his teammates, he starts talking about he needs help.

His mind set is F**k up, thats why I wish his off season should be reading a bunch of books getting his mind right..

There's a MAJOR problem when your BEST PLAYER is content with a winning season and a early playoff exit like this is his 1st season and not his 10th..

If we could miraculously get Paul, HE would instantly become the Alpha dog and I am convinced these issues would cease to exist.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Vmart wrote:Forget the sources, everyone knows that the Knicks need to get better. They need help scoring all their bigs were a big let down this year. Relying on JR Smith to be a scoring option isn't what you call a smart decision. Ray Felton coming up small in elimination game speaks volumes about his game. Shumpert is still feeling his way through the injury. So if you really look at the Knicks roster they need help a lot of it because most of the vets they relied on for the fast start are done.

All the vets are broken down players. Amare can't really rely on him to be healthy, same with Camby, Kidd is finished, Wallace retired, and Kenyon is a one way player at this stage in his career. There is very little to work with for the Knicks. I can't see the Knicks having a year like they did this year. The Knicks window was this year only unlike Boston had with their vets KG, Peirce and Allen.

Knicks at are a stage where they have to create a new window of opportunity. The window for this current team is closed.

I agree with you but I think we have a core u settling issue that unless addressed will mean we won't be able to win a chip with Melo. It's the combination of a "Star" player who is a one dimensional ball hog and a coach unable to design and run an offense.

If we can get a coach who can force Melo to play in an offensive system and not have him pout about the ridiculous number of shots he is jacking up or if we can get another star player who becomes the primary option with Melo playing the secondary option then our window will re-open.

What we will do instead is repeat this insanity where we spend the entire season without an offensive plan and without involving any of the supporting cast in the offense and then when Melo fails to score 60 points during the playoffs we will pint fingers at everyone but him.

What no one explains is how the supporting players are suddenly expected to start making shots after being completely ignored and forgotten on offense throughout the entire season. That applies to just about everyone except JR and he had a meltdown.

Our problems are simple:

A. Melo can't play with others who need to score the ball - unless he had a guy like Coach K to check his ego
B. Melo then has issues with not having others that can score the ball
C. Woody doesn't know how to coach an offense

If we can solve one of those we might get closer.

We need a scorer bad, one who can shoot and play off of Melo. If its a guard they must be a 3-pt shooter, if its a bigman they must be a solid midrange shooter and post scorer in the David West mold. But we need a guy. I would like to see Shumpert become the 3rd option and JR Smith as the 4th option and 6th man of course. Shumpert does have star potential and can increase his role each year, but we need that 2nd guy now and can't rely on him to be that until year 4 or 5.

we need a star player Melo can play off. Not a scorer to play off Melo. Scorers dont play off Melo because he doesnt pass the ball.

Thought after 10 years in the NBA folks would realize what he is and stop trying to make him into something else.

He needs a player similar to Billups. I never considered Billups a true star (close to it), but the perfect 2nd option to Melo. Only problem was Billups was towards the end of his prime. We need that type of player. Durant has Westbrook in that role. Sort of a 1B guy. Nothing wrong with that, most guys need that to compete for a title.

No one blows up a team that's a lock to reach the finals and compete for a chip right now - yes Durant has help AND far more importantly he appreciates what he has. He doesn't need to take all the shots and play for the scoring title. Does anyone label Durant as selfish or one dimensional? Are you really comparing our dear black hole with Kevin Durant????

Melo's problem is his selfishness and no amount of help can cure him of that. And unless he himself is able to get past it all he will ever be is world's most talented one dimensional ball hog and mental midget.

This issue in combination with Woody's complete inability to coach an offense will mean the exact sane results next year and beyond. There isn't one player in the league outside of CP3 tgat both Melo and Woody will allow to dictate terms. And we can't get him no matter what goes down.

Again we need one of two things to happen:

Coaching change -where we get a guy like Coach K, PJAX or Sloan
Primary star player - for some combination of Tyson/Shumpert/STAT/Melo

I don't care which -but the team as it stands now will be third or fourthin the East behind Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Celts - IIWII

Bottom line is if Melo and durant switched places each team would expect similar results. Your opinion about Melo is nothing but that. I look at results. He got us to the second round without another star. Melo haters think he should have told Denver not to trade him so he could sign with us for less money in the lockout offseason. Be realistic. Also look at his supporting cast. Good role players who looked better around him, but were asked to do too much. Of course he will be selfish. Your personal agenda against him is just unreal. Give him a secondary star and we are competing with Miami right now.

I dont have a personal agenda, and like you I look at results. There are two results to look at. Melo's playoff record which is terrible. Many factors there out of his control. I 100% get that and dont hold him accountable for every loss his team takes in the playoffs. I do ask that guys perform, and thats where this all falls on Melo's shoulders. Year after year after year he does NOT perform well in the playoffs.

Results? There isnt much similar in Melo vs. Durant come playoff time.
Melo 66 games .417FG% 7.3rebs 2.8assists 1.3steals 0.3blocks 2.91TOs 25.7PPG
Durant 54 games .463FG% 8rebs 3.8assists 1.2steals 1.2bllocks 3.15TOs 28.6PPG

The only relation to Melo and Durant in these playoffs is they both were elimatined by better teams. Durant however performed at a very high level. Dude gives you 31ppg, 9rebs, 6assists when his 1b goes down and still shoots .455

These comparisons are a total joke.

Why cant you just admit Melo has performed poorly in these playoffs as a Knick? ALL of them? Sure he has some big games. Followed by 10-35 and 6-16 type shooting performances in following games. Thats been his whole career w/ Denver and Knicks also. Keep telling yourself its going to change. This is not Melo hate or Knick hate. This is reality.

We have seen Melo beast. We have seen him play elite BB. We have seen him lead Denver and NY teams on extended runs winning tons of regular season games. Look at the start of the season. The guy can play. But he's not consistant and never has been and has pretty easy to see issues in his game and approach that say what you see is what you get with this player.

If Melo wanted to make adjustments he would have played for MDA. This is a guy who has inflated every player's numbers, and when he had talented rosters went deep into the playoffs year after year. That wasnt his style of ball, and Melo doesnt wait in the corner to be passed to. Melo gets the ball and pounds the rock and gets his. Sometimes its great. Sometimes its not. Come playoffs lots more of not than great.

Durant's playoff numbers were compiled while playing along-side another superstar. Not saying Melo is better but lets put Durants numbers and playoff wins in context. The Thunder team without Westbrook looked strikingly similar to the team Melo played with all year. Yet, people excused Durant because he had to carry the load by himself and said Durant was tired, etc. Imagine Durant had to play with that roster all year? Wonder what the perception of Durant would be?

He's played with smart pg's like kidd, lawson, billups and still played the same way..He played the same way in the olympics only he got more open shots, but his assist avg was still around 2.1 despite playing with a elite group of players.

IT's on his coach and within himself

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Vmart wrote:Forget the sources, everyone knows that the Knicks need to get better. They need help scoring all their bigs were a big let down this year. Relying on JR Smith to be a scoring option isn't what you call a smart decision. Ray Felton coming up small in elimination game speaks volumes about his game. Shumpert is still feeling his way through the injury. So if you really look at the Knicks roster they need help a lot of it because most of the vets they relied on for the fast start are done.

All the vets are broken down players. Amare can't really rely on him to be healthy, same with Camby, Kidd is finished, Wallace retired, and Kenyon is a one way player at this stage in his career. There is very little to work with for the Knicks. I can't see the Knicks having a year like they did this year. The Knicks window was this year only unlike Boston had with their vets KG, Peirce and Allen.

Knicks at are a stage where they have to create a new window of opportunity. The window for this current team is closed.

I agree with you but I think we have a core u settling issue that unless addressed will mean we won't be able to win a chip with Melo. It's the combination of a "Star" player who is a one dimensional ball hog and a coach unable to design and run an offense.

If we can get a coach who can force Melo to play in an offensive system and not have him pout about the ridiculous number of shots he is jacking up or if we can get another star player who becomes the primary option with Melo playing the secondary option then our window will re-open.

What we will do instead is repeat this insanity where we spend the entire season without an offensive plan and without involving any of the supporting cast in the offense and then when Melo fails to score 60 points during the playoffs we will pint fingers at everyone but him.

What no one explains is how the supporting players are suddenly expected to start making shots after being completely ignored and forgotten on offense throughout the entire season. That applies to just about everyone except JR and he had a meltdown.

Our problems are simple:

A. Melo can't play with others who need to score the ball - unless he had a guy like Coach K to check his ego
B. Melo then has issues with not having others that can score the ball
C. Woody doesn't know how to coach an offense

If we can solve one of those we might get closer.

We need a scorer bad, one who can shoot and play off of Melo. If its a guard they must be a 3-pt shooter, if its a bigman they must be a solid midrange shooter and post scorer in the David West mold. But we need a guy. I would like to see Shumpert become the 3rd option and JR Smith as the 4th option and 6th man of course. Shumpert does have star potential and can increase his role each year, but we need that 2nd guy now and can't rely on him to be that until year 4 or 5.

we need a star player Melo can play off. Not a scorer to play off Melo. Scorers dont play off Melo because he doesnt pass the ball.

Thought after 10 years in the NBA folks would realize what he is and stop trying to make him into something else.

He needs a player similar to Billups. I never considered Billups a true star (close to it), but the perfect 2nd option to Melo. Only problem was Billups was towards the end of his prime. We need that type of player. Durant has Westbrook in that role. Sort of a 1B guy. Nothing wrong with that, most guys need that to compete for a title.

No one blows up a team that's a lock to reach the finals and compete for a chip right now - yes Durant has help AND far more importantly he appreciates what he has. He doesn't need to take all the shots and play for the scoring title. Does anyone label Durant as selfish or one dimensional? Are you really comparing our dear black hole with Kevin Durant????

Melo's problem is his selfishness and no amount of help can cure him of that. And unless he himself is able to get past it all he will ever be is world's most talented one dimensional ball hog and mental midget.

This issue in combination with Woody's complete inability to coach an offense will mean the exact sane results next year and beyond. There isn't one player in the league outside of CP3 tgat both Melo and Woody will allow to dictate terms. And we can't get him no matter what goes down.

Again we need one of two things to happen:

Coaching change -where we get a guy like Coach K, PJAX or Sloan
Primary star player - for some combination of Tyson/Shumpert/STAT/Melo

I don't care which -but the team as it stands now will be third or fourthin the East behind Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Celts - IIWII

Bottom line is if Melo and durant switched places each team would expect similar results. Your opinion about Melo is nothing but that. I look at results. He got us to the second round without another star. Melo haters think he should have told Denver not to trade him so he could sign with us for less money in the lockout offseason. Be realistic. Also look at his supporting cast. Good role players who looked better around him, but were asked to do too much. Of course he will be selfish. Your personal agenda against him is just unreal. Give him a secondary star and we are competing with Miami right now.

I dont have a personal agenda, and like you I look at results. There are two results to look at. Melo's playoff record which is terrible. Many factors there out of his control. I 100% get that and dont hold him accountable for every loss his team takes in the playoffs. I do ask that guys perform, and thats where this all falls on Melo's shoulders. Year after year after year he does NOT perform well in the playoffs.

Results? There isnt much similar in Melo vs. Durant come playoff time.
Melo 66 games .417FG% 7.3rebs 2.8assists 1.3steals 0.3blocks 2.91TOs 25.7PPG
Durant 54 games .463FG% 8rebs 3.8assists 1.2steals 1.2bllocks 3.15TOs 28.6PPG

The only relation to Melo and Durant in these playoffs is they both were elimatined by better teams. Durant however performed at a very high level. Dude gives you 31ppg, 9rebs, 6assists when his 1b goes down and still shoots .455

These comparisons are a total joke.

Why cant you just admit Melo has performed poorly in these playoffs as a Knick? ALL of them? Sure he has some big games. Followed by 10-35 and 6-16 type shooting performances in following games. Thats been his whole career w/ Denver and Knicks also. Keep telling yourself its going to change. This is not Melo hate or Knick hate. This is reality.

We have seen Melo beast. We have seen him play elite BB. We have seen him lead Denver and NY teams on extended runs winning tons of regular season games. Look at the start of the season. The guy can play. But he's not consistant and never has been and has pretty easy to see issues in his game and approach that say what you see is what you get with this player.

If Melo wanted to make adjustments he would have played for MDA. This is a guy who has inflated every player's numbers, and when he had talented rosters went deep into the playoffs year after year. That wasnt his style of ball, and Melo doesnt wait in the corner to be passed to. Melo gets the ball and pounds the rock and gets his. Sometimes its great. Sometimes its not. Come playoffs lots more of not than great.

Durant's playoff numbers were compiled while playing along-side another superstar. Not saying Melo is better but lets put Durants numbers and playoff wins in context. The Thunder team without Westbrook looked strikingly similar to the team Melo played with all year. Yet, people excused Durant because he had to carry the load by himself and said Durant was tired, etc. Imagine Durant had to play with that roster all year? Wonder what the perception of Durant would be?

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Vmart wrote:Forget the sources, everyone knows that the Knicks need to get better. They need help scoring all their bigs were a big let down this year. Relying on JR Smith to be a scoring option isn't what you call a smart decision. Ray Felton coming up small in elimination game speaks volumes about his game. Shumpert is still feeling his way through the injury. So if you really look at the Knicks roster they need help a lot of it because most of the vets they relied on for the fast start are done.

All the vets are broken down players. Amare can't really rely on him to be healthy, same with Camby, Kidd is finished, Wallace retired, and Kenyon is a one way player at this stage in his career. There is very little to work with for the Knicks. I can't see the Knicks having a year like they did this year. The Knicks window was this year only unlike Boston had with their vets KG, Peirce and Allen.

Knicks at are a stage where they have to create a new window of opportunity. The window for this current team is closed.

I agree with you but I think we have a core u settling issue that unless addressed will mean we won't be able to win a chip with Melo. It's the combination of a "Star" player who is a one dimensional ball hog and a coach unable to design and run an offense.

If we can get a coach who can force Melo to play in an offensive system and not have him pout about the ridiculous number of shots he is jacking up or if we can get another star player who becomes the primary option with Melo playing the secondary option then our window will re-open.

What we will do instead is repeat this insanity where we spend the entire season without an offensive plan and without involving any of the supporting cast in the offense and then when Melo fails to score 60 points during the playoffs we will pint fingers at everyone but him.

What no one explains is how the supporting players are suddenly expected to start making shots after being completely ignored and forgotten on offense throughout the entire season. That applies to just about everyone except JR and he had a meltdown.

Our problems are simple:

A. Melo can't play with others who need to score the ball - unless he had a guy like Coach K to check his ego
B. Melo then has issues with not having others that can score the ball
C. Woody doesn't know how to coach an offense

If we can solve one of those we might get closer.

We need a scorer bad, one who can shoot and play off of Melo. If its a guard they must be a 3-pt shooter, if its a bigman they must be a solid midrange shooter and post scorer in the David West mold. But we need a guy. I would like to see Shumpert become the 3rd option and JR Smith as the 4th option and 6th man of course. Shumpert does have star potential and can increase his role each year, but we need that 2nd guy now and can't rely on him to be that until year 4 or 5.

we need a star player Melo can play off. Not a scorer to play off Melo. Scorers dont play off Melo because he doesnt pass the ball.

Thought after 10 years in the NBA folks would realize what he is and stop trying to make him into something else.

He needs a player similar to Billups. I never considered Billups a true star (close to it), but the perfect 2nd option to Melo. Only problem was Billups was towards the end of his prime. We need that type of player. Durant has Westbrook in that role. Sort of a 1B guy. Nothing wrong with that, most guys need that to compete for a title.

No one blows up a team that's a lock to reach the finals and compete for a chip right now - yes Durant has help AND far more importantly he appreciates what he has. He doesn't need to take all the shots and play for the scoring title. Does anyone label Durant as selfish or one dimensional? Are you really comparing our dear black hole with Kevin Durant????

Melo's problem is his selfishness and no amount of help can cure him of that. And unless he himself is able to get past it all he will ever be is world's most talented one dimensional ball hog and mental midget.

This issue in combination with Woody's complete inability to coach an offense will mean the exact sane results next year and beyond. There isn't one player in the league outside of CP3 tgat both Melo and Woody will allow to dictate terms. And we can't get him no matter what goes down.

Again we need one of two things to happen:

Coaching change -where we get a guy like Coach K, PJAX or Sloan
Primary star player - for some combination of Tyson/Shumpert/STAT/Melo

I don't care which -but the team as it stands now will be third or fourthin the East behind Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Celts - IIWII

Bottom line is if Melo and durant switched places each team would expect similar results. Your opinion about Melo is nothing but that. I look at results. He got us to the second round without another star. Melo haters think he should have told Denver not to trade him so he could sign with us for less money in the lockout offseason. Be realistic. Also look at his supporting cast. Good role players who looked better around him, but were asked to do too much. Of course he will be selfish. Your personal agenda against him is just unreal. Give him a secondary star and we are competing with Miami right now.

I dont have a personal agenda, and like you I look at results. There are two results to look at. Melo's playoff record which is terrible. Many factors there out of his control. I 100% get that and dont hold him accountable for every loss his team takes in the playoffs. I do ask that guys perform, and thats where this all falls on Melo's shoulders. Year after year after year he does NOT perform well in the playoffs.

Results? There isnt much similar in Melo vs. Durant come playoff time.
Melo 66 games .417FG% 7.3rebs 2.8assists 1.3steals 0.3blocks 2.91TOs 25.7PPG
Durant 54 games .463FG% 8rebs 3.8assists 1.2steals 1.2bllocks 3.15TOs 28.6PPG

The only relation to Melo and Durant in these playoffs is they both were elimatined by better teams. Durant however performed at a very high level. Dude gives you 31ppg, 9rebs, 6assists when his 1b goes down and still shoots .455

These comparisons are a total joke.

Why cant you just admit Melo has performed poorly in these playoffs as a Knick? ALL of them? Sure he has some big games. Followed by 10-35 and 6-16 type shooting performances in following games. Thats been his whole career w/ Denver and Knicks also. Keep telling yourself its going to change. This is not Melo hate or Knick hate. This is reality.

We have seen Melo beast. We have seen him play elite BB. We have seen him lead Denver and NY teams on extended runs winning tons of regular season games. Look at the start of the season. The guy can play. But he's not consistant and never has been and has pretty easy to see issues in his game and approach that say what you see is what you get with this player.

If Melo wanted to make adjustments he would have played for MDA. This is a guy who has inflated every player's numbers, and when he had talented rosters went deep into the playoffs year after year. That wasnt his style of ball, and Melo doesnt wait in the corner to be passed to. Melo gets the ball and pounds the rock and gets his. Sometimes its great. Sometimes its not. Come playoffs lots more of not than great.

Durant's playoff numbers were compiled while playing along-side another superstar. Not saying Melo is better but lets put Durants numbers and playoff wins in context. The Thunder team without Westbrook looked strikingly similar to the team Melo played with all year. Yet, people excused Durant because he had to carry the load by himself and said Durant was tired, etc. Imagine Durant had to play with that roster all year? Wonder what the perception of Durant would be?

then just look at THIS year's perfomance by Durant. The perception? The perception is when his PG was out his assists went from the 3s to over 6. He rebounded like a PF. His averages didnt drop, THEY GOT BETTER. He picked up the slack. What is your point?

His winning %'s dropped! That's my point. A non-competitive second round ouster. Durant by himself does not make his team a contender, in-fact, if Durant had to go to war with the same roster, minus Westbrook his playoff record might be similar to Melo's.

Regardless of how anyone feels about Melo, when he played with another elite player in Billups, he was able to win in the playoffs....

Hersports85 wrote:

Clean wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:The argument that Melo should have waited to sign to become a free agent is getting very irritating. Have any of you taken the time to research the details? Have any of you taken the time out to put yourself in that position? Stop just throwing out arguments that are not based off facts, but what you've heard on a message board. This notion that he could have signed as a free agent with a lock out pending is shot down again and again by current and ex players, business and sports experts for the 1000th time. Some of you are looking less and less credible.

New york had 2 decisions, don't sign him or trade for him. That's it. What's so hard to comprehend? There wasn't a free agency option at the time. That was not an option. So instead of placing blame on Melo, it's management that made the decision.

huh? I am pretty sure there was a free agency for that offseason. So, I am not sure where you are going with this post.

This is why I say a lot of people are leaving out a lot of details and not doing their research.

1. free agency period for the 2011-12 season began on Fri., Dec. 9 at 2 p.m. ET. Melo would have been a free agent until then and would have not been insured.

2. As a free agent, in a new cap system that is sure to be far more restrictive than the previous CBA, Anthony wouldn’t get the same amount of money. And, possibly, in a more restrictive system, with a lower percentage of the Basketball Related Income going to the players, the Knicks might not have had enough cap room to get him. - ESPN

3. Going into a lock out, not knowing the outcome without a contract is the dumbest business move an athlete can make. And honestly, I don't think anyone of you would take such a risk either. Which meant, he either resigns with DENVER or gets traded. That's why I said free agency was not an Option!!!!

“I knew free agency was coming, I knew it would be altered, I knew it’d be messed up, so imagine if I’d have stayed. I’d have been a free agent now in limbo.” - Melo (Newsday)

4. After the coming lockout, you can bet that if there is a salary cap it will be lower and the punishments for exceeding it will be harsher (the max deal money may be lower as well). The new CBA will make it harder to get Anthony even if the Knicks were able to dump the salaries of Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov on some unsuspecting soul. - NBC Sports

Like I said, same dumb arguments from the same agenda driven posters that are not based on anything.

The whole discussion about whether or not the Melo should have waited until after the season versus come via a trade is a mute...The pieces that we pick up to replace what we lost are superior basketball players and cheaper...Melo, JR and KMart are better than Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov..If we kept Gallo, Moz and Chandler, we might not have been able to get Tyson Chandler...End of discussion...

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I don't why know some insist on going back to to the origin of melo to the knicks, doesn't even matter, he's here.. Grunwald was looking like a wizard up until the game 6 of the 2nd round of the 2012/2013 playoffs.

But what these playoffs have done is exposed the hell out the knicks roster and now grunwald isn't looking close to a competent GM..Nobody on the roster played consistent right down to the coach.

The loading up on vets back fired so bad,you wanna put your head down and pray nobody notice...TOO LATE, then playing them ridciculous minutes to capture home court that you gave away in the 1st damn game..

Remember when they kept giving DON Cheney extensions even though he kept losing,and I don't want to put woodson in the same BOAT, but as GM you have to be concern with what you have witness in your coaches playoff history..IT AINT GOOD..

When Melo is talking about needing help, should we think that he's tired of woodson calling his # all the time or is melo calling his own number..

Papabear Says

I think Melo took a beating this season and he does not want to go through that again. Since he won the scoring title and took a beating I think he really wants and needs help. He does not want to get a beating like this season again. I believe that he really wants a title and is willing to do what it takes and even giving up some money to get star or good players.

I feel this too. I remember when Wade asked for help and guess what happened next LeBron and Bosh. I think you can take a pulse of the team by what it's star player needs. I think Melo has had enough of playing out of position. Last night I saw LeBron get frustrated guarding West at PF to the point where he was uncharacteristically playing flustered and committing fouls.

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create. Also Woody needs to get better a execution offense by that I don't mean executing isolation plays.

wade already had a ring right? the point is, the excuse for carmelo is always needing help.. LOL.. the problem I think is, he needs to be more help... that is always overlooked...

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create

vmart, every single team in the league needs and wants that... which is why you don't max your team out with such flawed players... tell carmelo to take a cap friendly deal around the 12-15 mil range, one more suited to his actual overall skill set and maybe they can use the extra money to fill in the gaps...

Papabear Says

Oh please stop it with your crap!! Wade had Shaq! end of story!

ROFL... SHAQ had wade

the problem is carmelo is never there for his teamates.....

Pacers just beat the heat again. No way George does that without Hibbert. Switch out Tyson or any knick other than melo for Hibbert and the Knicks are in the conference finals.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I don't why know some insist on going back to to the origin of melo to the knicks, doesn't even matter, he's here.. Grunwald was looking like a wizard up until the game 6 of the 2nd round of the 2012/2013 playoffs.

But what these playoffs have done is exposed the hell out the knicks roster and now grunwald isn't looking close to a competent GM..Nobody on the roster played consistent right down to the coach.

The loading up on vets back fired so bad,you wanna put your head down and pray nobody notice...TOO LATE, then playing them ridciculous minutes to capture home court that you gave away in the 1st damn game..

Remember when they kept giving DON Cheney extensions even though he kept losing,and I don't want to put woodson in the same BOAT, but as GM you have to be concern with what you have witness in your coaches playoff history..IT AINT GOOD..

When Melo is talking about needing help, should we think that he's tired of woodson calling his # all the time or is melo calling his own number..

Papabear Says

I think Melo took a beating this season and he does not want to go through that again. Since he won the scoring title and took a beating I think he really wants and needs help. He does not want to get a beating like this season again. I believe that he really wants a title and is willing to do what it takes and even giving up some money to get star or good players.

I feel this too. I remember when Wade asked for help and guess what happened next LeBron and Bosh. I think you can take a pulse of the team by what it's star player needs. I think Melo has had enough of playing out of position. Last night I saw LeBron get frustrated guarding West at PF to the point where he was uncharacteristically playing flustered and committing fouls.

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create. Also Woody needs to get better a execution offense by that I don't mean executing isolation plays.

wade already had a ring right? the point is, the excuse for carmelo is always needing help.. LOL.. the problem I think is, he needs to be more help... that is always overlooked...

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create

vmart, every single team in the league needs and wants that... which is why you don't max your team out with such flawed players... tell carmelo to take a cap friendly deal around the 12-15 mil range, one more suited to his actual overall skill set and maybe they can use the extra money to fill in the gaps...

Papabear Says

Oh please stop it with your crap!! Wade had Shaq! end of story!

ROFL... SHAQ had wade

the problem is carmelo is never there for his teamates.....

Pacers just beat the heat again. No way George does that without Hibbert. Switch out Tyson or any knick other than melo for Hibbert and the Knicks are in the conference finals.

who cares.. paul is playing like a star. carmelo take notes..

Paul didn't cost the pacers young players, draft picks, and 20 mil a year..

therefore he can have Hibbert...

carmelo had chandler DPOY, and JR 6th man of the year...

This is why YOU build TEAMS and not Starphuch, then try to tear down the players you traded....in order to sleep well at night...

And switch out felton for Avery bradley and the celtics beat the knicks..

NO EXCUSES!!

LOL

Caseloads wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I don't why know some insist on going back to to the origin of melo to the knicks, doesn't even matter, he's here.. Grunwald was looking like a wizard up until the game 6 of the 2nd round of the 2012/2013 playoffs.

But what these playoffs have done is exposed the hell out the knicks roster and now grunwald isn't looking close to a competent GM..Nobody on the roster played consistent right down to the coach.

The loading up on vets back fired so bad,you wanna put your head down and pray nobody notice...TOO LATE, then playing them ridciculous minutes to capture home court that you gave away in the 1st damn game..

Remember when they kept giving DON Cheney extensions even though he kept losing,and I don't want to put woodson in the same BOAT, but as GM you have to be concern with what you have witness in your coaches playoff history..IT AINT GOOD..

When Melo is talking about needing help, should we think that he's tired of woodson calling his # all the time or is melo calling his own number..

Papabear Says

I think Melo took a beating this season and he does not want to go through that again. Since he won the scoring title and took a beating I think he really wants and needs help. He does not want to get a beating like this season again. I believe that he really wants a title and is willing to do what it takes and even giving up some money to get star or good players.

I feel this too. I remember when Wade asked for help and guess what happened next LeBron and Bosh. I think you can take a pulse of the team by what it's star player needs. I think Melo has had enough of playing out of position. Last night I saw LeBron get frustrated guarding West at PF to the point where he was uncharacteristically playing flustered and committing fouls.

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create. Also Woody needs to get better a execution offense by that I don't mean executing isolation plays.

wade already had a ring right? the point is, the excuse for carmelo is always needing help.. LOL.. the problem I think is, he needs to be more help... that is always overlooked...

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create

vmart, every single team in the league needs and wants that... which is why you don't max your team out with such flawed players... tell carmelo to take a cap friendly deal around the 12-15 mil range, one more suited to his actual overall skill set and maybe they can use the extra money to fill in the gaps...

Papabear Says

Oh please stop it with your crap!! Wade had Shaq! end of story!

ROFL... SHAQ had wade

the problem is carmelo is never there for his teamates.....

Pacers just beat the heat again. No way George does that without Hibbert. Switch out Tyson or any knick other than melo for Hibbert and the Knicks are in the conference finals.

who cares.. paul is playing like a star. carmelo take notes..

Paul didn't cost the pacers young players, draft picks, and 20 mil a year..

therefore he can have Hibbert...

carmelo had chandler DPOY, and JR 6th man of the year...

This is why YOU build TEAMS and not Starphuch, then try to tear down the players you traded....in order to sleep well at night...

And switch out felton for Avery bradley and the celtics beat the knicks..

NO EXCUSES!!

LOL

truth. but you can't switch felton for avery... (thank goodness)

true, and you can't switch chandler for hibbert...

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I don't why know some insist on going back to to the origin of melo to the knicks, doesn't even matter, he's here.. Grunwald was looking like a wizard up until the game 6 of the 2nd round of the 2012/2013 playoffs.

But what these playoffs have done is exposed the hell out the knicks roster and now grunwald isn't looking close to a competent GM..Nobody on the roster played consistent right down to the coach.

The loading up on vets back fired so bad,you wanna put your head down and pray nobody notice...TOO LATE, then playing them ridciculous minutes to capture home court that you gave away in the 1st damn game..

Remember when they kept giving DON Cheney extensions even though he kept losing,and I don't want to put woodson in the same BOAT, but as GM you have to be concern with what you have witness in your coaches playoff history..IT AINT GOOD..

When Melo is talking about needing help, should we think that he's tired of woodson calling his # all the time or is melo calling his own number..

Papabear Says

I think Melo took a beating this season and he does not want to go through that again. Since he won the scoring title and took a beating I think he really wants and needs help. He does not want to get a beating like this season again. I believe that he really wants a title and is willing to do what it takes and even giving up some money to get star or good players.

I feel this too. I remember when Wade asked for help and guess what happened next LeBron and Bosh. I think you can take a pulse of the team by what it's star player needs. I think Melo has had enough of playing out of position. Last night I saw LeBron get frustrated guarding West at PF to the point where he was uncharacteristically playing flustered and committing fouls.

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create. Also Woody needs to get better a execution offense by that I don't mean executing isolation plays.

wade already had a ring right? the point is, the excuse for carmelo is always needing help.. LOL.. the problem I think is, he needs to be more help... that is always overlooked...

Knicks need a scoring big man and a scoring PF and a star PG or someone who can create

vmart, every single team in the league needs and wants that... which is why you don't max your team out with such flawed players... tell carmelo to take a cap friendly deal around the 12-15 mil range, one more suited to his actual overall skill set and maybe they can use the extra money to fill in the gaps...

Papabear Says

Oh please stop it with your crap!! Wade had Shaq! end of story!

ROFL... SHAQ had wade

the problem is carmelo is never there for his teamates.....

Pacers just beat the heat again. No way George does that without Hibbert. Switch out Tyson or any knick other than melo for Hibbert and the Knicks are in the conference finals.

who cares.. paul is playing like a star. carmelo take notes..

Paul didn't cost the pacers young players, draft picks, and 20 mil a year..

therefore he can have Hibbert...

carmelo had chandler DPOY, and JR 6th man of the year...

This is why YOU build TEAMS and not Starphuch, then try to tear down the players you traded....in order to sleep well at night...

And switch out felton for Avery bradley and the celtics beat the knicks..

NO EXCUSES!!

LOL

Jr was a rehab project that worked out for the regular season. Flu was a mess. He might have been the worst player in the playoffs for the Knicks (see crapitude article on posting and toasting). Also, the Knicks traded one first round pick. You can't change the trade to suit your hate. The Knicks are finally winning. Without the trade and coaching change the Knicks are a .500
Team at best.

actually we traded two first.. that swap is just as good as a trade, especially with the way denver has been playing...

and so now you are into telling the future... how do you know what the knicks would have been.. are you assuming they would have made no moves had they not traded for old "wait by the bus" anthony?

Answer this.. what are we now? and are you happy with what we are? sure don't sound like it.. LOL..