Hersports85 wrote:Every single thread ... SMH. Why even bother posting anymore.

TeamBall wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:Every single thread ... SMH. Why even bother posting anymore.

Im really considering stopping

Yeah, I agree. It's becoming beyond irritating. You can't even give another player or team on this board a compliment without it turning into ... oh he's better than Melo, Melo ruined our chances at building a certain way. How many times to do you have keep saying the same ****. If Melo is causing you this much anger, something needs to be reevaluated.

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

First of all, theres no reason to insult me. I did not insult you in anyway so have the same respect. The obvious answer to your question is that he was being relied on to score more. No one else made sh-

Does it even matter? Unless I outright bash him, you're gonna call it an excuse.

No I wouldn't so don't assume what I would or wouldn't say based on what you would say. Also please stop telling me to "ease up"...

You have your opinion I have mine...this isn't a Melo bash thing either TeamBall. I'm tired of you trying to make it seem this way in particular with me.

I used to say the same things when fans made excuses for Toney Douglas bad shooting performances but then cited his neck and back issues(which he had off-season surgery one yr due to injury). My reasoning was the same then...maybe he should have learned how to play more like a point guard(George Hill) than shooting guard(Barbosa)....I don't care what the coach may ask of you, you have discern what's best for the team and what you're asked to do. A cerebral player knows how to mix both when needed.

Melo shot the ball primarily because that's what Melo likes to do. Woody can take some blame too, maybe he shouldn't have played him as many minutes if he had such a serious injury.

I'm telling you to ease up because you're insulting me over a player. That's just getting a little far.

I'm not trying to change your opinion. I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me. It's just that anytime I or someone else has said anything positive about melo you have disagreed with it. Maybe we'll just not discuss him.

It doesn't jive TeamBall sorry...once again this has nothing to do with Melo exclusively like you're trying to make this be...hence my Toney Douglas reference...

Im sick of talking about Melo right now. I also never want to talk about Toney Douglas. Im just letting this go.

Just trying to show consistency so you see evidence of a trail and no flip-flopping.

BTW Dwayne Wade is being reported on as having a worse leg injury than last yr but last night I saw him catching lobs and dunking so once again these injury reports from the media sometimes are hogwash. Noah played like a MAN with PF in his foot, meanwhile Rose never stepped foot on the court in a real game.

I think some guys play hurt, some maybe even injured....but guess what they make a lot cash doing what they do and some of that pay comes with high expectations. In the end we find many of these guys are truly human like you and I.

I don't see a reason to post on a msg brd giving these athletes loads of sympathy when they fail unless it's truly some personal catastrophe, they don't care about US one iota.

I think Melo made comments on Amar'e coming back fully healthy next yr...I would say the same applies to him as it does to Camby/Tyson and whoever else.
We want a championship and nothing else short of that.

It amaze me how we have die hard haters who won't give Melo a pass. well all I can say is get use to it they won't change. All the haters can do is complain. This was a good season compared to the past 13 years. You must understand the Knick ain't going anywhere until we get 2 more star players. The haters will be complaining about Melo for the next 8 years.
Remember Melo will retire a Knick so the haters better get use to Melo because he ain't going anywhere so every negative blog someone writes about Melo. There are 10,000 fans who love him. So until Tkf has enough money to be an owner of the knicks and get rid of Melo you are just blowing in the wind. Nothing you can say nothing you can do will change a thing in the Knicks plans with having Melo here. It would do you good to think positive about Melo because it will keep your blood pressure down.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

So the fact that Amare hasn't played consistent basketball in two years hasn't detered your point of view??..By the way. winning basketball is entertaining...This is a lottery team which may be just your plan...

i didn't suffer through two solid years of roster flush to watch half of one season, where-- by the way-- the knicks would have achieved a 7th or 8th seed, only to have an overrated non-franchise type player brought in and yank the team off of its rails. you may not have the patience for a genuine rebuild but there are a significant number of fans who were primed for just that.

you're an addict and the substance you abuse is zekadolanomelophyl, formerly known as zekadolanomarburol.

zdm's main effect is it gives you the feeling of hope and relevance for 6 months and it causes hallucination where you see a fool's gold player as a franchise legend. when you come out of your stupor you say "hey it was fun while it lasted" and start scheming around july to score your next fix.

yes amare was going to eventually break down and i was fine with that. had he had a genuine point guard to finish on pick and rolls with it would have preserved his body but that's why walsh signed felton to an audition contract of two years on the cheap. stat's half a season of hero ball was sad, what with his bulling into 2 or 3 defenders over and over again, never finding the open man. gee where have i seen that before? oh yeah carmelo anthony did the same exact thing.

i waited for two years just to get to a zero point from which to have a fresh start. this after ten years of horror. i was willing to give walsh another two or three years trying to build a team that i would be proud of, that i would enjoy watching, and who i would find it easy to root for.

and gallinari is by no means an "average player." in fact for the effect he has on the game he is a bargain. the nuggets struggled without him both in the regular season and in the playoffs. he has a positive net effect on both sides of the ball, which is actually quite rare.

that you can't appreciate gallinari's value is a shame. below is an article that is a real eye-opener about him.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

GREAT POST AND ARTICLE..

End of discussion as far as I am concerned.. good work DK as usual..

you spend your time taping this guy on the back ... i mean it is fine to agree with another poster but this is beyond agreeing ... "EVERY" TIME (the correlation is between 0.95 and 1 with a p-value < 0.00001) he posts something you have to come with "great work/so astute/bla bla bla" ....

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo looked in pain.

The team crumbled last year in the playoffs, literally.

Im sure most of us thought the depth we have would have sustained us. It did not.

Melo was still our best option and as long as he was able, willing and effective we'd go to him.

There was little choices to adjust mid series. Amare was not nearly "back" enough to warrant minutes and touches and JR is not where you want to go unless he is hot.

Melo is a big strong kid who gave it his best under the conditions.

Was it enough? No. Fault? Blame? Lets be fair, as a TEAM were did not match up well with Indy and we were not healthy enough to sustain.

You can be the best option and take closer to 16 shots and get 4 to 5 assists though. He's the best option to create offense - for both himself and others. (Or at least it should have been for both.)

bonn he is not capable of doing either well enough to form a contender around. and he is turning 29 in a few days.

dolan really really blew it

You are worried about Melo's age and u were an advocate of building around Amare???

no i am laughing at you for thinking that by dolan and isaiah wanting to bring melo here at all costs that we would be a great team instead of what i and others saw from the get-go as an underachieving mishmash.

So you felt that building around Amare was the better option???

yes, if by that you mean wait for the right player and that means a complete player and if stat is the middle of it that means a true point guard not some scrubby tweener who needs a kidd or a prigioni to be out there with him. lin fell into our laps but was sent packing because dolan's skin is too thin and his pockets are not deep when he gets shown up by a superior basketball guy. lin is a better orchestrator than felton, and would have allowed shumpert to be in the backcourt.

i am not saying things would have broken our way just like this, but a team of shumpert, lin, gallinari, mozgov, fields, and stoudemire would have been promising, entertaining-- and young.

So the fact that Amare hasn't played consistent basketball in two years hasn't detered your point of view??..By the way. winning basketball is entertaining...This is a lottery team which may be just your plan...

i didn't suffer through two solid years of roster flush to watch half of one season, where-- by the way-- the knicks would have achieved a 7th or 8th seed, only to have an overrated non-franchise type player brought in and yank the team off of its rails. you may not have the patience for a genuine rebuild but there are a significant number of fans who were primed for just that.

you're an addict and the substance you abuse is zekadolanomelophyl, formerly known as zekadolanomarburol.

zdm's main effect is it gives you the feeling of hope and relevance for 6 months and it causes hallucination where you see a fool's gold player as a franchise legend. when you come out of your stupor you say "hey it was fun while it lasted" and start scheming around july to score your next fix.

yes amare was going to eventually break down and i was fine with that. had he had a genuine point guard to finish on pick and rolls with it would have preserved his body but that's why walsh signed felton to an audition contract of two years on the cheap. stat's half a season of hero ball was sad, what with his bulling into 2 or 3 defenders over and over again, never finding the open man. gee where have i seen that before? oh yeah carmelo anthony did the same exact thing.

i waited for two years just to get to a zero point from which to have a fresh start. this after ten years of horror. i was willing to give walsh another two or three years trying to build a team that i would be proud of, that i would enjoy watching, and who i would find it easy to root for.

and gallinari is by no means an "average player." in fact for the effect he has on the game he is a bargain. the nuggets struggled without him both in the regular season and in the playoffs. he has a positive net effect on both sides of the ball, which is actually quite rare.

that you can't appreciate gallinari's value is a shame. below is an article that is a real eye-opener about him.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

Who is on hallucinogens???...It was never in Teflon Donnie's plan to rebuild or he would not have hired MDA or signed Amare...He was clearing cap space to sign two...Ahhhhh forget it...

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Gallo. We are still posting about Gallo.

Building around Stat. Memories from 2010. Good morning, it's 2013 and no one really cares anymore about broken glass and glass knees! Stat has gotten a career pass here, and will retire a Knick because no one else wants that contract.

Equating Melo with Marbles, possibly because they both start with M.

Followed by the requisite back pats.
Have you three ever considered creating your own Knicks site?

Imagine the fun and lucid conversations you could have on the glories of Gallo come home, Stat in the HOF, and the "rail" we were on in 2010, all completely uniterrupted by .... Knicks fans.

you may not want to talk about the trade but apparently holfresh and other fans of dolan, isaiah, and melo do.

without it they have absolutely no argumentative leverage at all because, looking at carmelo anthony's career as a whole, the trade is the only "unprovable hypothetical" from which to argue his value. that is, "the knicks are in far better shape with melo" versus "the knicks are in worse shape with melo."

if you remove the trade from the argument and look at melo's body of work over ten years what you come away with is an also-ran fool's gold player who is far closer to zero-sum than his acolytes want to believe.

there are always excuses for melo's underachieving in the nba and it's also never melo's fault. gallinari HAS TO get maligned as part of this meme because he is the opposite of carmelo anthony in so many ways: many of these ways come under the category of advanced stats, he plays at a bargain salary, he has zero interest in playing hero-ball, and prefers to do all the little things, the detail things.

if you wanna stop talking about gallinari then start assessing carmelo anthony honestly!

The difference between the second round of the playoffs versus seasons of .300 ball never did and never will sway your thinking much, will it?

Gallo plays at a bargain salary? This is what you lead with? Do you have some sort of Marxist Nirvana complex you're suffering from? Have you heard the USSR fell apart about 20 years ago?

Did you ever consider your boy has zero interest in playing hero ball for a reason other than your deranged fantasies of advanced stats? Is that even possible to you? How were Gallo's advanced stats during these playoffs? Bet they were pretty advanced, huh?

Let me ask you, were you one of those who thought the Bulls should have been built around Toni Kukoc?

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Gallo. We are still posting about Gallo.

Building around Stat. Memories from 2010. Good morning, it's 2013 and no one really cares anymore about broken glass and glass knees! Stat has gotten a career pass here, and will retire a Knick because no one else wants that contract.

Equating Melo with Marbles, possibly because they both start with M.

Followed by the requisite back pats.
Have you three ever considered creating your own Knicks site?

Imagine the fun and lucid conversations you could have on the glories of Gallo come home, Stat in the HOF, and the "rail" we were on in 2010, all completely uniterrupted by .... Knicks fans.

you may not want to talk about the trade but apparently holfresh and other fans of dolan, isaiah, and melo do.

without it they have absolutely no argumentative leverage at all because, looking at carmelo anthony's career as a whole, the trade is the only "unprovable hypothetical" from which to argue his value. that is, "the knicks are in far better shape with melo" versus "the knicks are in worse shape with melo."

if you remove the trade from the argument and look at melo's body of work over ten years what you come away with is an also-ran fool's gold player who is far closer to zero-sum than his acolytes want to believe.

there are always excuses for melo's underachieving in the nba and it's also never melo's fault. gallinari HAS TO get maligned as part of this meme because he is the opposite of carmelo anthony in so many ways: many of these ways come under the category of advanced stats, he plays at a bargain salary, he has zero interest in playing hero-ball, and prefers to do all the little things, the detail things.

if you wanna stop talking about gallinari then start assessing carmelo anthony honestly!

The difference between the second round of the playoffs versus seasons of .300 ball never did and never will sway your thinking much, will it?

Gallo plays at a bargain salary? This is what you lead with? Do you have some sort of Marxist Nirvana complex you're suffering from? Have you heard the USSR fell apart about 20 years ago?

Did you ever consider your boy has zero interest in playing hero ball for a reason other than your deranged fantasies of advanced stats? Is that even possible to you? How were Gallo's advanced stats during these playoffs? Bet they were pretty advanced, huh?

Let me ask you, were you one of those who thought the Bulls should have been built around Toni Kukoc?

give an honest assessment of carmelo anthony. his assets and his deficits. if you don't want to that's on you-- all you did just now was respond in EXACTLY the way i presented, ie "unprovable hypothetical" and an attack on gallinari.

have your second cup of coffee, take a few deep breaths and try again...

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Gallo. We are still posting about Gallo.

Building around Stat. Memories from 2010. Good morning, it's 2013 and no one really cares anymore about broken glass and glass knees! Stat has gotten a career pass here, and will retire a Knick because no one else wants that contract.

Equating Melo with Marbles, possibly because they both start with M.

Followed by the requisite back pats.
Have you three ever considered creating your own Knicks site?

Imagine the fun and lucid conversations you could have on the glories of Gallo come home, Stat in the HOF, and the "rail" we were on in 2010, all completely uniterrupted by .... Knicks fans.

you may not want to talk about the trade but apparently holfresh and other fans of dolan, isaiah, and melo do.

without it they have absolutely no argumentative leverage at all because, looking at carmelo anthony's career as a whole, the trade is the only "unprovable hypothetical" from which to argue his value. that is, "the knicks are in far better shape with melo" versus "the knicks are in worse shape with melo."

if you remove the trade from the argument and look at melo's body of work over ten years what you come away with is an also-ran fool's gold player who is far closer to zero-sum than his acolytes want to believe.

there are always excuses for melo's underachieving in the nba and it's also never melo's fault. gallinari HAS TO get maligned as part of this meme because he is the opposite of carmelo anthony in so many ways: many of these ways come under the category of advanced stats, he plays at a bargain salary, he has zero interest in playing hero-ball, and prefers to do all the little things, the detail things.

if you wanna stop talking about gallinari then start assessing carmelo anthony honestly!

oh and by the way advanced statistics, "usual" statistics, numbers .... you can trick anybody with numbers or statistical tests when not applied appropriately or using incomplete sets of data or when subjectivity lead you to interpret wrongly the result of your test (most often if the test is borderline significant) .... it happens every day in a much more serious domain than basketball, i.e. science, and often even get published in peer-reviewed journals and make headlines in the press

and to go back to basketball, we are fans of the Knicks, not a particular player on the team ... stop to always put the focus on Melo ... maybe some are obsessed to defend him no matter what, but basically you are trying to bash him no matter what .... action-reaction ... you know ?

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Red1976 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Gallo. We are still posting about Gallo.

Building around Stat. Memories from 2010. Good morning, it's 2013 and no one really cares anymore about broken glass and glass knees! Stat has gotten a career pass here, and will retire a Knick because no one else wants that contract.

Equating Melo with Marbles, possibly because they both start with M.

Followed by the requisite back pats.
Have you three ever considered creating your own Knicks site?

Imagine the fun and lucid conversations you could have on the glories of Gallo come home, Stat in the HOF, and the "rail" we were on in 2010, all completely uniterrupted by .... Knicks fans.

you may not want to talk about the trade but apparently holfresh and other fans of dolan, isaiah, and melo do.

without it they have absolutely no argumentative leverage at all because, looking at carmelo anthony's career as a whole, the trade is the only "unprovable hypothetical" from which to argue his value. that is, "the knicks are in far better shape with melo" versus "the knicks are in worse shape with melo."

if you remove the trade from the argument and look at melo's body of work over ten years what you come away with is an also-ran fool's gold player who is far closer to zero-sum than his acolytes want to believe.

there are always excuses for melo's underachieving in the nba and it's also never melo's fault. gallinari HAS TO get maligned as part of this meme because he is the opposite of carmelo anthony in so many ways: many of these ways come under the category of advanced stats, he plays at a bargain salary, he has zero interest in playing hero-ball, and prefers to do all the little things, the detail things.

if you wanna stop talking about gallinari then start assessing carmelo anthony honestly!

melo is on the 2nd NBA team this year ... where is Gallinari ? (and i do like Gallo) ... you are right keep going you make so much sense with your unbiased analysis ! the rest of the world is wrong, it is time to open their eyes !!

give an honest assessment of carmelo anthony, his assets and his deficits. all you did was list an award, attack another player, and attack me.

I attacked an other player ? i said Gallinari is not an All-NBA this year and that I do like him ... how is that an attack ? aren't you a bit dramatic ?

and I didn't attack you, just counter-argumentation ... I have nothing personal against you ... but I do find annoying to always focus on Melo negatives .... he is not perfect but still our best player, I'm not the kind of person looking for someone else weakness at every opportunity

Melo is a better player than Gallo, I do like both players, both have weaknesses and strength .... but I still prefer to build a team with Melo rather than Gallo ... where is the problem with that ?
I won't spend every day of the year defending this opinion looking at every possible angles ... what's the point of doing so ?

ChuckBuck wrote:Gallo > Melo

End of story!!!

End of story!