NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

In a heartbeat but I doubt Minnesota will to do that without assets being added to it.

If I had a deal on the side with Mayo I think I would include JR.

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

I would but I doubt Minnesota would. Also, Pekovic is a free agent and we can't do sign-and-trades.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

In a heartbeat but I doubt Minnesota will to do that without assets being added to it.

If I had a deal on the side with Mayo I think I would include JR.

Ditto. I've had a man crush on Mayo since he's been drafted and wish the Knicks added him 2 seasons ago when his asking price was only Josh McRoberts and filler. You think JR Smith would agree to a sign and trade to Minnesota though? I'd be open to getting rid of him but the fact that he isn't under contract makes it very difficult to move him for something we want.

I think they could offer him money plus a chance to start and that would be very hard to turn down. The only way this would happen is if Peko just wanted out. Then again Flip Saunders could Value Tyson more than Peko.

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

In a heartbeat but I doubt Minnesota will to do that without assets being added to it.

If I had a deal on the side with Mayo I think I would include JR.

Ditto. I've had a man crush on Mayo since he's been drafted and wish the Knicks added him 2 seasons ago when his asking price was only Josh McRoberts and filler. You think JR Smith would agree to a sign and trade to Minnesota though? I'd be open to getting rid of him but the fact that he isn't under contract makes it very difficult to move him for something we want.

I think they could offer him money plus a chance to start and that would be very hard to turn down. The only way this would happen is if Peko just wanted out. Then again Flip Saunders could Value Tyson more than Peko.

Would you then bring Shumpert off of the bench if we added Mayo then? When you mentioned him, I automatically assumed that he'd be taking Kidd's role as a combo guard off the bench. I also think that Saunders is the kind of guy that would value Tyson more than Pekovic and he fits a more pressing need next to Kevin Love. I could only see it working though if the Wolves made other "win now" moves beforehand to justify trading a younger big for an older big.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

I would but I doubt Minnesota would. Also, Pekovic is a free agent and we can't do sign-and-trades.

By trading Tyson I believe they can. They can't do it now with Tyson on the books because the trade would not fit under the apron. Also, of Smith was included it would definitely fit under the apron.

I've been confused about the apron from the day I heard about it. I understand not being able to do a sign and trade if we were at/above the apron and was accepting more incoming money. I don't understand the rationale if we are at/above the apron and did a sign and trade where we sent out more money. If the later is actually possible, I'd try to flip JR and Amare for Joe Johnson and Marshon Brooks. I know its a bit off topic but I think it'll fit what this team needs, moving forward.

That's a regular trade and would be allowed anyway. However, it is a bad trade on both sides unless Johnson last year is not guaranteed.

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

I would but I doubt Minnesota would. Also, Pekovic is a free agent and we can't do sign-and-trades.

By trading Tyson I believe they can. They can't do it now with Tyson on the books because the trade would not fit under the apron. Also, of Smith was included it would definitely fit under the apron.

I've been confused about the apron from the day I heard about it. I understand not being able to do a sign and trade if we were at/above the apron and was accepting more incoming money. I don't understand the rationale if we are at/above the apron and did a sign and trade where we sent out more money. If the later is actually possible, I'd try to flip JR and Amare for Joe Johnson and Marshon Brooks. I know its a bit off topic but I think it'll fit what this team needs, moving forward.

That's a regular trade and would be allowed anyway. However, it is a bad trade on both sides unless Johnson last year is not guaranteed.

With JR included, I think it would have to be considered a sign and trade. I really don't like Johnson but the idea would be to get out from under Amare's contract and gain a trade exception moving forward to pick up a player or two. It'd probably be a bad idea though since Amare will only be under contract for 2 more seasons.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

I would but I doubt Minnesota would. Also, Pekovic is a free agent and we can't do sign-and-trades.

Pekovic is a good scorer but has awful defensive ratings. According to Dean Oliver's formula, he gives up more points than he scores (despite being a good scorer). I don't think there's any point to this trade. I'd rather just hope Chandler comes back healthy. The only proposal I've seen here that would make sense is the Chandler for Bledsoe and Jordan one.

They look to be in the same range here and I guess the rub is that you expect Peko to continue to improve. Maybe he is a finish product but who knows.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

I could be understanding this wrong. Nevermind, yuck. Peko would have to really improve and Tyson needs to improve a lot too. 45.7% is above league avg.

Good find, but why did you type that they're in the same range and then cross it out?!

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Would anyone trade Tyson for Pekovic, Williams, and RIdinour. I doubt the Wolves would do this and I am not sure I would because of Peko;s rebounding but I would have to think about.

I would but I doubt Minnesota would. Also, Pekovic is a free agent and we can't do sign-and-trades.

Pekovic is a good scorer but has awful defensive ratings. According to Dean Oliver's formula, he gives up more points than he scores (despite being a good scorer). I don't think there's any point to this trade. I'd rather just hope Chandler comes back healthy. The only proposal I've seen here that would make sense is the Chandler for Bledsoe and Jordan one.

They look to be in the same range here and I guess the rub is that you expect Peko to continue to improve. Maybe he is a finish product but who knows.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

I could be understanding this wrong. Nevermind, yuck. Peko would have to really improve and Tyson needs to improve a lot too. 45.7% is above league avg.

Good find, but why did you type that they're in the same range and then cross it out?!

That 2.3% is just to high for my liking when you are already above league avg. Like I said though you would think that Peko would improve and couple with his offensive game it is a nice add.

Then again, Tyson could go back to last season Tyson and his numbers could be different. Although, if I can get multiple players like Peko, Williams, and Ridinour or Bledsoe and Jordan, who I would look for a 3rd team to take. Then I would think about it.

The ultimate dream is Tyson plays up to his capabilities offensively and defensively. Working with Hakeem and become more aggressive. I would love to put Perkins mindset with Tyson skills. Offensively, should absolutely reverse their games. imho.

yellowboy90 wrote:
It makes no sense with Drummond there.

Drummond is a role player PF/C right now at this point. And they have the cap space to land a FA big like Josh Smith or Paul Milsap to round out that front court.