Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Dudley is a solid player, but he's overpaid. I think we'd be doing the Suns a favor by taking him off their hands. I hang up as soon as they say "Shu"....But I have to listen if thrown in some picks. I'd do the trade if it put us in CJ McCollum-Michael Carter-Williams range and they throw in another second-rounder.

So making $4mil/yr is overpaid for a solid player who actually can play offense and defense?

Papabear Says

So if we get him for 4mil then what do we pay JR Smith to keep him here? or do we loose him for nothing.

No we can keep Earl irregardless of trade assuming we're not concerned about Tax Dollars.

3G4G wrote:No one cared about giving up Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR/Lee/Nate/Lin/Fields picks galore...... why care about giving up Shump who is just 1 young talent in a field of old crops?

Stop it. Just stop it already. And in case you haven't noticed, we still don't care.

Randolph: 2.0 points, 1.9 boards, 0.5 blocks and 0.3 assists per game
Mozgov: 3.0 points, 2.9 boards, 0.6 blocks and 0.2 assists per game.
Fields: 4.9 points, 5.0 boards, 1.6 assists and 0.2 blocks per game. $18,725,000 over the next three years.

I really like how you're simply doing nothing more than name dropping in regards to Ex-Knicks. Fields, Randolph and Mozgov? Really? You for real son?

And next time you name drop Gallo, don't forget a couple of thing(s)...

Melo's career:: 24.9 points, 6.3 boards, 3.1 assists, 1.1 steals and 0.5 blocks per game. A career FG% of .456%.
Gallo's career: 14.6 points, 4.6 boards, 1.9 assists, 0.8 steals and 0.5 blocks per game. A career FG% of .421%.

Also, when name dropping Gallo, don't forget a couple of (other) thing(s).

Melo:: Knicks have a winning record of 72-51 during 123 games in which Melo has played as a Knick (21 games above .500). Melo's missed 16 games due to injury as a Knick.

Gallo: Knicks had a losing record of 67-90 during 157 games in which Gallo played as a Knick (23 games below .500). Gallo missed 61 games due to injury as a Knick.

Understood? Also, when name dropping Wilson Chandler, don't forget about a couple of fact(s).

J.R Smith:: 16.2 points, 5.0 boards, 2.8 assists, 1.3 steals and 1.4 turnovers per game. 0 games missed due to injury.
W.Chandler: 9.7 points, 4.9 boards, 0.5 assists, 0.9 steals and 1.2 turnovers per game. 36 games missed due to injury.

Now when name dropping Jeremy Lin, don't forget about a couple of fact(s).

Ray: 14.8 points, 6.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 2.9 boards and 2.3 turnovers per game with a Player Efficiency Rating of 15.18. .402 FG%.
Lin: 12.6 points, 6.1 assists, 2.0 steals, 3.5 boards and 3.0 turnovers per game with a Player Efficiency Rating of 14.73. .437 FG%.

Don't you dare forget one thing when looking at those numbers. Jeremy Lin is due $25,123,938 over the next 3 seasons. Raymond Felton is only due $12,540,000 over the next 3 seasons.

Not only that but our Knicks only went 16-10 under Lin during "Linsanity" before Jeremy Lin sat out the entire postseason. Our Knicks have gone 26-10 under Raymond Felton here in 2012-2013.

Would you like to name drop? Fine, lets name drop.

Raymond Felton over Jeremy Lin.
J.R Smith over Wilson Chandler.
Carmelo Anthony over Danilo Gallinari.
Tyson Chandler over Timofey Mozgov.
Steve Novak over Landry Fields.
Jason Kidd over Baron Davis.
Pablo Prigioni over Mike Bibby.
Iman Shumpert over Toney Douglas.
Kurt Thomas over Anthony Randolph.
Rasheed Wallace over Dan Gadzuric.
Ronnie Brewer over Renaldo Balkman.
James White/Chris Copeland over Bill Walker/Andy Rautins.
Marcus Camby over Eddy Curry.

How's that for some name dropping? I guess this is where Knick fans apologize for David Lee of all players? Down right hilarious. Give me a healthy Amar'e Stoudemire.

"Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR/Lee/Nate/Lin/Fields".
vs.
Melo/J.R Smith/Tyson/Rasheed/Amar'e/Shump/Felton/Novak.

Too funny my dude.

regarding Dudley: Is it fair to say he is basically a bigger version of Kevin Martin minus the Ft% and the usage. However on the Knicks his usage wouldn't be high anyway.

I am on the fence with the trade but it seems like the Suns really want Shump. If they want him bad enough I would ask for Dudley, Gortat, and a 1st for Shump, Camby, and Novak. Camby is an expiring contract next year since his 3rd year is not guaranteed. If they really want Shump come get him. lol.

But for me it's never been about winning a championship at all costs- stuff like loyalty is kind of important to me. Shump loves playing for the Knicks, and has worked ridiculously hard to return from the ACL tear- just feels wrong to turn around and trade him. And then like other posters have mentioned, I'd be worried about the chemistry impact- Iman is very popular, it would be like ripping the heart out of our team. And I think people are being a bit impatient- if he was back 100% and playing like last year, would you still do this deal?

We always seem to tinker mid-season and it rarely ends well. maybe we should try sticking with what we have and seeing if the familiarity and chemistry counts for something come the playoffs. Seriously, when was the last time we won a mid season trade, in that we played better after it?

Anji wrote:I think Shumpert is over rated, but I wouldn't trade him for Dudley. Novak would be a no brainier though.

what was he over rated at? last year he was a beast on defense.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knicks wall suggesting Dudley and a 1st for Shump.

Knicks wall is uninformed, we can't trade a 1st.

Phoenix would be sending the pick.

Damn, reading comprehension, Why would PHX do that? They have possibly two lotto picks coming up.

I have no idea. I thought we would be the ones having to throw in a sweetener if Dudley & Shumpert were being traded.

yeah it is ironic, right now Dudley is the better player, i dont think they like shumpert that much to fork over a good player and a pick.

right now shump just came back from his acl injury. why the heck would we make this deal unless it involves a pick? this deal doesn't make any sense. and folks talking about novak falling off are making me laugh.

PresIke wrote:

Anji wrote:I think Shumpert is over rated, but I wouldn't trade him for Dudley. Novak would be a no brainier though.

what was he over rated at? last year he was a beast on defense.

PresIke wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knicks wall suggesting Dudley and a 1st for Shump.

Knicks wall is uninformed, we can't trade a 1st.

Phoenix would be sending the pick.

Damn, reading comprehension, Why would PHX do that? They have possibly two lotto picks coming up.

I have no idea. I thought we would be the ones having to throw in a sweetener if Dudley & Shumpert were being traded.

yeah it is ironic, right now Dudley is the better player, i dont think they like shumpert that much to fork over a good player and a pick.

right now shump just came back from his acl injury. why the heck would we make this deal unless it involves a pick? this deal doesn't make any sense. and folks talking about novak falling off are making me laugh.

You might wanna read the whole thread....I don't want Dudley at all.

dk7th wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yikes
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Source says the Indiana Pacers and Chicago Bulls are among the teams pursuing Orlando Magic guard J.J. Redick.

The list is bigger.... Bucks are on it too as is Boston

Wow he'd be a great fit in Boston with Terry old and struggling

Don't know why the Bucks would be interested unless they were trading Ellis

of course ellis is trade fodder. he's a fool's gold player. in fact that kid eric gordon is as well.

reddick is a very good player and would be a welcome rotation player on a good playoff team.

Ellis at one point said he is going to opt out of his contract after this season. I don't know if the bucks can afford to pay him and also reup Jennings. They might be looking to move him for a reasonable contract.

PresIke wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Goodbye Shumpert? Winds up in PHX afterall? Knicks will not have patience with Shumpert. We talking New York Knicks here.

umm...we ain't trading shump that easily, and i don't know what this 'we are talking ny knicks' means.

silly talk.

i'm at a loss as to why folks here think we should get rid of him.

umm...last year he was one of our best players.

i'm sorry, are we not full of old school knick fans here, who harp about defense? dude was our best player on the ball, and one of the best in the league last year.

we have few guards who can defend, especially those with speed (partially why we lost to wall and the wiz) and we want to get rid of him just after he is recovering from his injury? shump's not 100%.

no way does this happen. next year, if he looks like he does now, then i can see it, but no way do the knicks do this now.

People like to knock knick players until they are gone and then cry about letting them go for nothing in a year