sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote:
the variable here is not anger it's winning. maybe you can tone down the moral outrage just a tad?

Moral outrage? This is coming from someone who called Melo "unethical" because he gave Denver the heads up that he wasnt going to re-sign?

A minor altercation, and losing one's cool during a game in January, doesnt hold any meaningful significance w/ winning in isolation. Thats absurd, as evidenced by the videos I posted, showing great players in brawls of their own. THis has nothing to do with "winning", as a matter of fact you dont want to see Melo succeed here at all. This incident just provided an excuse for you to continue your daily anti-Melo campaign, by calling him "weak minded", and whatever childish insult you can invent. Just embarrassing stuff.

yet another post i agree 100% with !

Is KG a sociapath winner type like Jordan? We all know this.

SO does Melo.

either tune it out or lose it is the only choice. Perhaps melo was trying his hardest to maintain and couldn't, then he needs to leave the game.

Am I asking too much for a man who chose this public life and all the spoils that go with to be immune from being human? Of course not. Do I know whats going on with him and being asked to sympathize? I have no clue as to his problem. I don't know if its that public or not. He cheat on her, she on him? He hit her, she hit him? He too focused on his career, her on hers? they compatable besides looking good together? How the hell do I know.

If he can't do his job then he needs to sit down.

KG is an awful man whose will to win is notorious. Personally I can't stand him but I respect his career.

Melo has been playing great this season and perhaps had this on his mind for some time. He leads the league in Techs.

Sure he can have a bad game, but if the melting becomes a problem we are done.

He is in the "conversation", then he is in the spotlight.

Gets hot under those lights. A lot of pressure.

Who put him there? The media? TKF? Bonn? Or did he?

Maybe their marriage was not great and a reason why they left Denver, maybe she wanted to be in NY?

Old saying, "You allways take the weather with you where ever you go".

Do I feel bad for Melo if he got problems? Yeah.

Can't perform the job, sit down.

sebstar wrote:

dk7th wrote:
the variable here is not anger it's winning. maybe you can tone down the moral outrage just a tad?

Moral outrage? This is coming from someone who called Melo "unethical" because he gave Denver the heads up that he wasnt going to re-sign?

A minor altercation, and losing one's cool during a game in January, doesnt hold any meaningful significance w/ winning in isolation. Thats absurd, as evidenced by the videos I posted, showing great players in brawls of their own. THis has nothing to do with "winning", as a matter of fact you dont want to see Melo succeed here at all. This incident just provided an excuse for you to continue your daily anti-Melo campaign, by calling him "weak minded", and whatever childish insult you can invent. Just embarrassing stuff.

"gave denver the heads up" is half an argument.

what melo did harmed the knicks. the essence of unethical behavior is that it does harm to others. ethics and morals differ in that morality is related to ones values, which may coincide with harming others or it may not. i am almost certain you disagree with that opinion so we will have to agree to disagree.

garnett did something that can be considered immoral but in fact harmed nothing and noone save melo's feelings. of that i believe we can agree. or not.

i suspect that melo's wife lala was a major factor in impelling carmelo to not honor his contract with denver. ironic. now it looks as though karma may be insinuating itself, as it usually does, into ones life.

sure i have been critical of melo's game and i have also given praise when he has done something praiseworthy. too bad you missed that entire half of my analysis of his season thus far. as to my wishing failure on any knick that's an assumption that has no weight at all since i want the knicks to win. can you provide evidence that i want the knicks to lose? if not then i suggest you tone down the personal insults and attacks. there is no need for that kind of behavior.

3G4G wrote:I keep hearing learning experience as if none of these Knick players have never been a victim of trash talking. I love how some fans said it would be a good idea to bring in a guy like Andray Blatche because we have veterans on the team that could keep him in line. Well how is it this team continues to shows signs of implosion when buttons are pushed in the heat of battle? I see no signs of learning experiences so far this as this is the 4th game of meltdowns from us. Our schedule is only going to get tougher and come playoff time there's going to plenty Honey Nut Cheerio....Yo Mama smack talk and not just from Garnett.

Different situations. Our prior meltdowns were due to the officials. Our entire team (coach included) felt they were getting unfair treatment by the refs and the entire team was taken out of their game. The Celtics game was 1 player who had something said to him that triggered an angry response. Seeing as how this is the first time hes reacted like this this season (or as a Knick for that matter), we can assume that nothing like this has really been said to him before. Not a lot of players in the league go to such great lengths like KG to throw a player off their game. Im not saying this will never happen again but I dont think we should treat this like its gonna be a common occurrence from now on.

Nalod wrote:Garnett is a awful person. Melo knows this. He is going to get under the skin no doubt.

Is KG a sociapath winner type like Jordan? We all know this.

SO does Melo.

either tune it out or lose it is the only choice. Perhaps melo was trying his hardest to maintain and couldn't, then he needs to leave the game.

Am I asking too much for a man who chose this public life and all the spoils that go with to be immune from being human? Of course not. Do I know whats going on with him and being asked to sympathize? I have no clue as to his problem. I don't know if its that public or not. He cheat on her, she on him? He hit her, she hit him? He too focused on his career, her on hers? they compatable besides looking good together? How the hell do I know.

If he can't do his job then he needs to sit down.

KG is an awful man whose will to win is notorious. Personally I can't stand him but I respect his career.

Melo has been playing great this season and perhaps had this on his mind for some time. He leads the league in Techs.

Sure he can have a bad game, but if the melting becomes a problem we are done.

He is in the "conversation", then he is in the spotlight.

Gets hot under those lights. A lot of pressure.

Who put him there? The media? TKF? Bonn? Or did he?

Maybe their marriage was not great and a reason why they left Denver, maybe she wanted to be in NY?

Old saying, "You allways take the weather with you where ever you go".

Do I feel bad for Melo if he got problems? Yeah.

Can't perform the job, sit down.

You're rambling here bro, so lets try to get to the heart of this and satisfy your criticism. Its looks like you're trying to hold Melo to an impossible standard, one that few players of significance have lived up to, and thats losing one's cool in the heat of battle.

To add context, if this were game 7 then you would have a point --- he put himself above the team and lost it, but this is a meaningless game. If anything KG miscalculated, because he's riled up a great player, a franchise, and a city and his only consolation is a Jan. win. He may have won this small battle, but we'll see who wins the war, because as it stands the Knicks are better, and fighting for a one seed. KG may have created a 'last laugh; hardest" situation.

sebstar wrote:

Nalod wrote:Garnett is a awful person. Melo knows this. He is going to get under the skin no doubt.

Is KG a sociapath winner type like Jordan? We all know this.

SO does Melo.

either tune it out or lose it is the only choice. Perhaps melo was trying his hardest to maintain and couldn't, then he needs to leave the game.

Am I asking too much for a man who chose this public life and all the spoils that go with to be immune from being human? Of course not. Do I know whats going on with him and being asked to sympathize? I have no clue as to his problem. I don't know if its that public or not. He cheat on her, she on him? He hit her, she hit him? He too focused on his career, her on hers? they compatable besides looking good together? How the hell do I know.

If he can't do his job then he needs to sit down.

KG is an awful man whose will to win is notorious. Personally I can't stand him but I respect his career.

Melo has been playing great this season and perhaps had this on his mind for some time. He leads the league in Techs.

Sure he can have a bad game, but if the melting becomes a problem we are done.

He is in the "conversation", then he is in the spotlight.

Gets hot under those lights. A lot of pressure.

Who put him there? The media? TKF? Bonn? Or did he?

Maybe their marriage was not great and a reason why they left Denver, maybe she wanted to be in NY?

Old saying, "You allways take the weather with you where ever you go".

Do I feel bad for Melo if he got problems? Yeah.

Can't perform the job, sit down.

You're rambling here bro, so lets try to get to the heart of this and satisfy your criticism. Its looks like you're trying to hold Melo to an impossible standard, one that few players of significance have lived up to, and thats losing one's cool in the heat of battle.

To add context, if this were game 7 then you would have a point --- he put himself above the team and lost it, but this is a meaningless game. If anything KG miscalculated, because he's riled up a great player, a franchise, and a city and his only consolation is a Jan. win. He may have won this small battle, but we'll see who wins the way, because as it stands the Knicks are better, and fighting for a one seed. KG may have created a 'last laugh; hardest" situation.

I did not start a Melo thread on this subject ( there are a few) and really never crossed my mind to do so. IN the face of other opininon I formed mine and stated it. I don't like dudes when they take Tech's to sooth their own cause. In fact, its a reason IM not a big "sheed" fan as his antics were quite selfish in my opoinion. Im a bit amazed how many guys welcomed him with open arms.

Just cuz you put on a knick uni don't make every thing cool but for most its that way. I was not a melo fan prior to his joining but I said I'd give it a shot. I did not like his smirking idiot behavior in the Boston series (I think he lost the ball, reached up grabbed a players leg and laughted) but we were depleted and did not hold him accountable for the teams problem. Or last year except his admission he did not play hard at times.

For the most part I like the guy and his play this year has gone along way to earning my respect. I don't like the techs he has been picking up and the team does get a bit diva like at times. No biggy.

Garnett is a piece of Shyt but I stand by my comment. Don't mean I hate the guy. He pulls that crap in the playoffs for any reason it will not be cool.

If Melo the person is hurting, im empathetic. Personal problems are not part of the game.

On Mother’s Day 1999, he upset San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan by shouting, “Happy Mother’s Day, motherf---er!” as Duncan, whose mother died of cancer when he was 14, prepared to shoot free throws.

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:This is cold:

On Mother’s Day 1999, he upset San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan by shouting, “Happy Mother’s Day, motherf---er!” as Duncan, whose mother died of cancer when he was 14, prepared to shoot free throws.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cereal-offender-knicks-star-spats-celtic-cheerios-comment-estranged-wife-article-1.1236078#ixzz2HVp202t3

Yup, that's why I put it on page 1 along with the Cancer crack.

Its so cold, its almost forbiddenly funny. KG is like a shock cartoon of sorts. How anyone can be that cold must be out their mind.

sebstar wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:
I think people just don't like Melo (partially because they were emotionally invested with the Gallo team) and because he is winning this season, they cannot blame him for that. They choose to expect a 28 year old to have better poise than they most likely would when confronted in a heated competitive situation. No matter how unrealistic, taking the moral high ground allows them to once again blame Melo somehow.

Of course this is the motivation --- and the posters employing this strategy arent really smart enough, nor mature enough to pull off otherwise. They've convinced themselves that they are fooling everyone by couching anti-melo conclusions, in this high-minded, neutral "im just holding him accountable, and not being a homer" way, but they are using non-logical, ridiculous justifications time and time again, and they think people somehow wont notice.

I dont know who they are trying to kid --- they have a serious dislike for Carmelo as a man, and are actively rooting against him, enjoying any and every misstep along the way in the hope that the season ends in a failing one. Seriously, why post here and ruin this awesome season for knick fans with their childish bile? This website here is to talk knick basketball --- good and bad --- not engage in a daily, exhaustive effort to rebut agenda-fueled posters with a childish grudge.

Seb , welcome back bro ! Your post are desperately needed at this time .