callmened wrote:Too bad about Pitt (C-Adams). I wanted him to matchup with Olynyk (Gonzaga-C). So far Olynyk is NOT looking so great versus Southern

Olynck and Adams are not close in talent. Olynyck is the most talented player in this draft.

I think he'll be a solid pro but NOT a superstar...hes a smart player who can SHOOT (despite not making his shots, he DOES have good shooting form...he has a low release though). I do think hes calm and hes controlling the tempo. i think their coach is using him as a decoy...spreading the court and staying away to draw out the defense. you can tell that michigan is doing everything in their power so that he WONT get hot...hes ok defensively...heady player. again, nothing flashy but solid...reminds me of a cross of scved and heinrich

just first half thoughts...eager to see more action in the 2nd half

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It was difficult seeing Wolters shoot poorly but I liked his game. He's not jimmer fredette scoring the ball but his game might translate better as he's 6'4 and has more of a pg feel for the game. He looks like he could become a Hinrich type in the league. Defensively he was pesky and will be fine at the next level with added strength. I wouldn't be disappointed seeing us draft him in the late first round, he could be a steal.

He was terrible tonight--and that cost him cash. It showed the two things scouts have talked about--first step and jumpshot. Trey Burke was worse. They crowded him and he just did not play well--its just one game over a long body of work.

Yes neither played great but just one game. And regardless you can see Wolters has a good feel for the game and that IT factor that will make him a good nba player. I could definitely see him as a nice complimentary point guard spotting up weak side from Melo.

If Fab Melo was able to be drafted in early mid 20's, Olynicks should not make it past 12
As for Walters, I think he would fit in a team like Spur's or a more TEAM oriented orginization that would take the time to develop him
It would help Walters if he played with players that had a lot of speed/athleticism/ability to penetrate to make up for his lack of physical abilities
Teams like Spurs, OKC, Twolves, Heat, Memphis, Bulls, etc....

callmened wrote:i think wolters will be a pro but not a great one. like a luke ridnour type of player

on the other hand, i think olynyk will be a star. p.gasol 2.0

We dont need a star drafted 23-34--we'd be getting a very smart 6-4 PG who can really handle pass score when needed and defend--he plays smart. If we do get a 2nd round pick Im now sold on Carrick Felix(I posted about him in the Jahii carson thread)

That would give us two guards 6-4 and 6-6 which we need desperately. Im also on the Cory Jefferson bandwagon.

BRIGGS wrote:

callmened wrote:briggs do you scout foreign players? thats probably who theyll draft anyway

I have no clue about foreign players and Ive never said a word about them. I need to see a guy. Thats why sometimes a guy can become more visible to you if you have seen a good game a bad game--or just one great impression. I really like Nate Wolters --I really believe using him as our back up PG tutored by Jason Kidd for a year would be a great great pick. I think anyone who has followed this draft knows you can get almost the same value at 20 that you can get at 1-2-3--there is not much that separates the talent in this draft. I think there are a couple of future all star types like Olynck but no franchise player. I would pick Olynck one if I had that pick--I just dont love anyone and to me he has the most skills upside readiness at 7-0 245 to play mobile 4/5 in the NBA. Hes very skilled in the box and he can hit that 12 footer and out. He scores very easily and can rebound. Hes nothing special on D. I dont know how someone will take a chance on Noel at 1 with that injury--I wouldnt. He wasnt Shaq to start with.

Wolters would be great. I don't care about small school, the guy can play. Could be a starter by year 2 or 3 and an excellent complimentary PG next to Melo. A PG that can shoot and create a little is exactly what we need.

1. play defense
2. put pressure on the defense (penetration)
3. pass the ball to melo and JR so they can Iso

(notice i said nothing about shooting. that would be great but I think defense and penetration are the first priorities)