playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

because when lunatics shart shooting into a crowd the normal reaction for the average citizen is to look around and start taking notes.

Why as a crazed lunatic, I need to wear a mask or a vest ???? You guys really need to think for a minute.

Now if I planned on hiding my true identity and need to get away , then it all makes sense.

so they are crazy enough to pack weapons and massacre innocents but we should expect their actions to be that of a rational thinker?

Reasons for a mask:
dramatic
protection
all bad guys in movies wear masks

Your saying all the law enforcement involved is in on a cover up? FBI? Local town? State police? US marshalls? All run by the shadow agency?

Next is the part you tell me the gov purposely staged 911 right?

yea... 20 kids slaughtered and 6 adults all unarmed and we are all sheep for believing media coverage that he acted alone. Not what the focus should be.

Why would they want you to think anything different. DUH ? Why has the teachers reports of the others been washed away from the national reporting ?

Who said all LEA were involved in this as a coverup ? Now you're reaching !

The school nurse in that 60 Minutes clip said they phoned for help, were scared ****less, saw people who may have been SWAT, but were scared ****less, and didn't want to reach out to them because they didn't know if the killer was alone or not. that poor lady locked herself in a closet for 4 hours... scared. I don't know if any of the school staff would have been able to accurately assess the situation because everyone is just trying to survive

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yes. What was alcohol created for? For recreation? For relaxation? Or for directly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people each year in traffic accidents.

We legislated alcohol out of existence. How did that work out?

You cannot legislate behaviour. The revolving logic that holds doggedly to the idea that creating laws about inanimate things will keep criminals from doing bad things is the height of ignorance. Prohibition stopped law abiding people from getting alcohol. It did not stop bootleggers and organized crime. Gin flowed.

Gun control stops law-abiding people like you and me from getting AK-47's and the like; it won't stop people who are bound and determined to do evil. It's a big world, there are ways to get whatever you want.

And I don't own a gun, and I've never hunted in my life.

Nuts have used fertilizer and box cutters to kill hundreds and thousands. We increased security. Legislation about fertilizer and box cutters should be on the way.

And lots of folks I know don't target shoot at silouhettes of people. They shoot at targets...bulleyes.

You have a society that glorifies and pumps out CGI violence in all forms, and then you cry for the laws to resolve everything when atrocious massacres like this happen, over and over again.

The mall, the movie theatre, schools, the airport, the embassies... it goes on and on and on.

Change your society. Concentrate on that abstract connection between the morality and the things that are real. That's really not that abstract at all.

assuming this is directed at me.

Alcohol and guns are the same? OK... but your 10000% wrong, because you CAN legislate behavior. Have drunk driving fatalities gone down? Yes they have. Tougher drunk driving rules have reduced the accidents.

Nothing will eliminate the threat. Nobody is suggesting such a solution. But those who would say non action? Well I guess since about 17k were killed in booze related traffic fatalities why bother to legislate it all?

Sorry, but the legislation works and the numbers prove it.

Your right.. change society. The problem is people cant agree on how. In the meantime its OK to pass laws that protect citizens. There's a reason you cant buy dynomite at Home Depot, and there is a reason regular citizens should not have weapons designed to kill and do so with speed, acuracy and quantity. If this guy had to reload after 3 shots a lot more kids are in that school. Thats the reality.

No, you see, the reality is he didn't get the guns legally. He stole them. So if he couldn't steal them from him mom, did that mean he says, oh well, I guess i'm stymied?

Here's a newsflash for you. He could go on the internet and find someone to buy the gun/fetilizer/c4/plutonium from. Good, law-abiding people don't do things like that. That's the problem. The people who do atrocities like this are not "regular citizens".
This person shot his mother in the face, point blank. He didn't need to reload.

And lets follow your logic. He couldn't get his hands on a Bushmaster or a handgun that fires off more than three rounds. So, instead he has what? 6 or 7 handguns that fire three rounds each? You do the math. And how tough is it to find someone who will show you step by step how to adjust your safe, three round only weapon to fire 30 at a clip?

Counting bullets is not going to solve anything, and thinking it will is beyond reality. It's a pacifier for the horror.

Do you honestly think the majority of your drug dealers, gang bangers and lunatic fringe groups are going to be worried about the nice legislation you're going to put in place to stop them from getting and distributing these weapons?

You don't learn from the past, then you repeat it. And saying we don't know how to change society, but it's okay to pass laws is a bit confusing.

Next week, it will be legislation on gasoline.

dumbest statement I have ever read. This is why the most prolific and funded terrorist organization used box cutters to hijack planes. Why go through all that pilot training when they could have just ordered a nuke on amazon.

You missed the point on the 3 bullets. If the weapon can be altered to fire more its illegal. As I said banning guns wont work in the this country, but anything that can be done to protect citizens should be looked at.

Whats the action your proposing to this discussion jrod?

You miss the point entirely, but that's okay. Calling my statement dumb is always a nice comeback.

What action do I propose? Something beyond the standard knee-jerk gun control argument. Something beyond the "we can't agree on how to change society" so let's get a band-aid. Why do we have these massacres over and over again? What causes someone to do these things? How does someone stare at other people and pull the trigger over and over again? We don't want to answer that question because it has moral implications. It has nothing to do with "people can't agree on how."

It's not like we don't have a large enough sample size.

I really don't know how high or how young the body count has to get to where we finally figure out that society needs to change, and that it's not going to change by having more forms to fill out, or another bill to pass. Then maybe we'll be on to something.

This nation is slowly destroying itself from the inside. Read some history, even if it's from "the stone age". It's quite enlightening.

Better yet, just ignore it, and post a new sign. It's easier.

are you politian? I asked what your proposal was, and you offered some pretty words... something beyond a knee jerk reaction. What is it? You have said nothing in your post.

Your statement was dumb. Suggesting the average criminal can aquire ingredients to create potent weapons over the internet is wrong. Its made up to support your view or arguement, which isnt clear.

So again, pretty please with sugar on top speak of your real world solutions.

And what are you, a liberal congressman?

Again, you generalize to sound intelligent. My point was you can buy just about anything on the internet, and if you can't buy it, you can find information to make what legal things you buy, illegal. Average criminal? Is that why we're really dealing with in atrocities of this magnitude? Was Timothy McVeigh an 'average criminal'? I get it. If you don't want to think too deeply, I'll do it for you:

Moral issues.
1) Divorce reform. The break down of the family. Gee, what was this guy's family life like? Oh, wait, we don't want to pry do we? We'd rather pass a law and shout about gun control. Much, much easier.

2) Devaluation of human life. Abortion, Euthanasia. Oh, wait, what do these topics have to do with school massacres? Nothing, in your legislative nirvana. Just post signs that say "No Guns Allowed".

3) Sexuality/Violence in general - oh, nevermind. You've already proven that 'average criminals' like this guy don't do anything on the internet. Plus, we can legislate the hell out of gun control, but don't touch anything approaching that precious 'freedom of speech.' Leave the media alone. I'm sure this nut just sat around listening to the radio all day.

Right, I know, we can't go back to the 1950's. Going forward with our fabulous futuristic society and a neverending set of new laws and forms and bureaucracy, that's the way to go. Until the next horrific incident.

How many other shootings have their been in the last 4 years, by the way? And what legislation was passed? Why, that's right, the right to carry concealed weapons and the right to carry weapons on Amtrak. But I'm sure that's the conservatives and NRA's fault.

DurzoBlint wrote:Playa has derailed this thread with his Mel Gibsonesque conspiracy theories but, the fact of the matter is that people with Guns have got to take responsibility when people use their guns to kill. If you kid is able to break into your gun cabinet, then it wasn't a good enough holding place for them. You should still be responsible.

We could do this all day. Laws work. Of course they dont elimate violence, but the laws work because the stats prove it.

playa2 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have to ask this question (Serious) Is there one witness who saw Adam Lanza shoot anybody if the perp had a mask on ?
How about the Colorado shooting, wasn't he dressed up with gas mask and body covered up, did anyone say they could identify it was James Holmes with red hair ?

You only believed what the media told you even though not one eyewitness can prove they saw them shoot anyone even though people died.

Rolling my eyes shaking my head in unbelief. I'm done with this.

Sheesh- the world view of some gun owners on this thread! Do guns give off some sort of chemical that makes their owners paranoid?!

Dude I'm not a gun owner by the way, you and others may try to stereotype me by what i'm saying.

What I am saying is you all have STOPPED thinking , but will only believe what someone in the media tells ya.

So why does the international media go along with this conspiracy? Wouldn't at least one other country have some sort of interest in uncovering this?

Somebody gets it. Others are all over this situation. They are thinking !

I find this blasphemous.

Pointing to Obama's fake tears as evidence this guy has knowledge of the attack and suggesting he was behind it?

This line of thinking is as offensive as it gets, and its THIS LINE OF THINKING that gets fringe lunatics going.

Was Obama behind the fort hood shooting as well?

I find this notion that our government would kill children to push gun law legislation more offensive than anything I have ever read here.

Why stop there? Werent most all the kids white? Surely there's an agenda there also, otherwise they would have picked a more diverse school?

Google is not tool for gathering intel, only a tool for gathering **** people have posted on the internet.

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:the only thing sadder than gumming up the youtube airwaves with this crap are the people that follow it and give it merit.

it's a crazy world we live in Fishmike. Never ever know what your going to get into when you click on a link these days.

But suggesting the president, a father of two young girls was faking tears because he had inside knowledge and was possibly a part of this attack? Are you phucking kidding? What absolute scum.

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:People that are really quick to laugh and ridicule under estimate what some groups will do to have a certain end result. Even in the Columbine shooting it seemed to be the same way, many students reported that it was grown men wearing ski masks doing the shooting, others named different members from the trench coat mafia, feds were at the school that morning before the shooting, hospital was called before the shooting started.

You guys really need to do more research.

so do you. But if you only look to like minded folks you will always find exactly what you want to see.

Lots of sources out there also proving dinosaurs didnt exist. Its true playa... just google it.

Are you aware of how utterly distastefull your comments are? And how utterly lacking in any truth they are?

playa likes fascinating stuff. We all do. People are looking for simple explanations and conspiracy is both simple and exiting.
playa - the government is dumb, you put too much faith in a bunch of bureaucrats running this country.
They are not capable of any conspiracy. Come on...