fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Ultimate bait post even calling out by name! How old are we again?

I feel left out!

TKF has done his fair sahre of baiting or trolling in this thread. /shrug

It's pretty clear he doesn't like Melo and never will. Arguing with him isn't going to change a thing

Not liking Melo is not akin to baiting or trolling. That is fine. We are all free to have our opinions. However, comparing Melo to Ronnie Brewer is beyond trollish and not intended to engender anything resembling good discussion. I could care less anyhow. I just find it odd that people feel the need to swoop in and defend TKF's honor as if he does not engage in his fair share of trolling.

TKF's posting would be akin to me going to the HOU Rocket's forum and posting negative things about Lin and Harden every chance I got.

I believe he said Bernard King makes Melo look like Brewer. So nice job taking that out of context.

And it would be more like Rockets fans declaring daily in a new thread that Harden was an MVP candidate and you offering reasons you disagree.

Again.. this is why you guys are like minions. You fuel the fire by making stuff up like whats above. Then why people respond you label it hating.

really it is.... if he can't understand what I mean about bernard and carmelo then really he doesn't need to participate in these online forums.. it is just too much for him... as I have said before, I don't think these forums are for the extreme loyalist..... they can't seperate their feelings nor can they accept that others may have views that are polar opposite of what they feel.. doesn't make them haters or baiters...

Melo scored

41pts 2nd game of season
42pts 3rd game of season
50pts 16th game of the season against US(LOL!)
40pts 23rd game of the season
41pts 28th game of the season
40pts 54th game of the season
45pts 67th game of the season

He's currently a little off pace from this season but as we can see this is who he is and has been

3G4G wrote:For the record in 2009-2010

Melo scored

41pts 2nd game of season
42pts 3rd game of season
50pts 16th game of the season against US(LOL!)
40pts 23rd game of the season
41pts 28th game of the season
40pts 54th game of the season
45pts 67th game of the season

He's currently a little off pace from this season but as we can see this is who he is and has been

TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading the Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....

IrishKnickFan wrote:who really cares about mvp. all i want is a nba title

+1

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

great post. Lets eliminate imaginary hurdles and look at facts
2009-10 Nuggets through 21 games: 16-5
2012-13 KNicks thought 21 games: 16-5

09 Melo: 28ppg 6.5rebs 3.2 assists .458 FG%
12 Melo: 27ppg 6.5rebs 2 aassists .457 FG%

09 Nuggets finished winning their division and having home court in round one where they lost to Jazz in 6 games.

Melo finished 6th in MVP voting that year. 6th.

Hows that $100 bet looking now folks?

Again... happy Knicks having a great season and great start. Happy Melo is playing so well and a big reason for those wins.

Realistic MVP candidate? History would certainly show otherwise, but again... feel free to express your opinions every day in a new thread saying the same thing.

All these things have happened before.

I kind of touched on all of this before fishmike but it continues to fall on deaf ears....

I posted all those links from basketball-reference.com showing MVP finishes

I posted how Melo said he'd be willing to make a sacrifice this year to score 23ppg the same ppg average in 2008-2009(22.8ppg) Nuggets were 16-7 after 23gms, after the A.I./Billups trade. This was the season when Post-Season arrived.... Barkley started dubbing him "Best Pure Scorer" in the NBA. The season following the Olympics. Nuggets won 54gms that year yet Billups finished 6th in MVP voting a year most consider Melo's best because he committed himself to playing defense and team basketball. This was the season the Nuggets went to the WCF against Kobe's Lakers.

Then Melo progresses to next season as you outlined. What have we witnessed since? NO MVPs, No Scoring Titles, No All-NBA First Teams, No Championships,

What's going on here is what went on last year with LIN. It's called the New York overhype overrate effect when the going is good. In New York unlike any other place things get hyped so far beyond normal. Those on the inside tend to lose a sense of all rationalism. He may get some of the above because he's in New York and there is success but Melo is playing no different than his best play in Denver.

When everything settles and the dust clears we'll see the SWITCH IT UP

I listed every reason why he was 6th that year but ok. And why I think he comes in 3rd this year if we have one of the better records. Guess that's on deaf ears too. But I guess consistently being mentioned among the top 10 players don't mean anything.

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

great post. Lets eliminate imaginary hurdles and look at facts
2009-10 Nuggets through 21 games: 16-5
2012-13 KNicks thought 21 games: 16-5

09 Melo: 28ppg 6.5rebs 3.2 assists .458 FG%
12 Melo: 27ppg 6.5rebs 2 aassists .457 FG%

09 Nuggets finished winning their division and having home court in round one where they lost to Jazz in 6 games.

Melo finished 6th in MVP voting that year. 6th.

Hows that $100 bet looking now folks?

Again... happy Knicks having a great season and great start. Happy Melo is playing so well and a big reason for those wins.

Realistic MVP candidate? History would certainly show otherwise, but again... feel free to express your opinions every day in a new thread saying the same thing.

All these things have happened before.

Denver tailed spinned towards the end of that yr when Karl was diagnosed with Cancer or Lukemia and took his leave as the coach. That pretty much killed Carmelo's MVP ranking.

They faced Utah who had the same record as them and tied for the 3rd best record in the West in the first rd since Utah lost the division to Denver they had a lower seed then what they actually were.

Carmelo averaged 30.7pts, 8.5rebs, 3.3ast, 2stls, 9.5fts on 464% fg shooting, 877% ft shooting, 316 3pt shooting. In that playoff series. Denver lost that series because Utah's frontcourt of Boozer and Milsap dominated Denver's frontcourt of Nene and Martin. Boozer and Milsap averaged 22rebs a game and like 40pts. Nene and Martin averaged 14.1rebs per game and like 20pts. Jr Smith was outplayed by CJ Miles. Deron Williams won his matchup against Billups. The only position that wasn't outplayed was the Small Forward position which was severly one sided. Utah was a better matchup for Denver then Denver was for Utah.