Nalod wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:HUH?

you read the post and went back to bed to masturbate! Its a jerk off joke.

Read the post, agreed, got a stiffy, went back to bed. Sunday morning.

Just a joke.

Holding hands after jerking off!!!!

Get it???

Hello? Hello?

Just a joke!!!1

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Rather than go back and regurgitate old arguments, the point of this thread has yet to be refuted by any serious argument in this thread. The Knicks are basically running MDA's offense, at least the half court part of it. Woody is using it because he knows that IT WORKS!!! It's been proven to work and help role players to excel. Players with limited ability but decent NBA skills do better playing in this offensive style and it's been proven over and over again. When Woody totally abandoned the system the Knicks didn't look as good once Melo cooled off. A super hot Melo somewhat covered up the fact that our role players weren't getting it done, but you can't expect Melo to be able to play on that level as he did last April for an entire season. Thus Woody made a logical decision to employ some of MDA's stuff. We all see it but some want to pretend that they don't.

No one is saying MDA is better than Woody or any credit needs to go to MDA, aside from acknowledgment of where these concepts came from. That's all any of us have pointed out. This is Woody's team Period!!! Just don't try and sell this crap that Woody came up with this offense on his own. It's not true and Woody would tell you that as he openly stated before the season. Stop bringing up meaningless arguments that have no point except to try and obscure the real point of this thread.

Woodson says Red Holtzman, Bobby Knight ,Larry Brown, and Bill Smith are influences on how he coaches. He said last year he went with some of the things that D'Antoni did because he didn't have time to insert his own stuff. Woodson has talked about being open minded and asked that players give input about things they think are working or not working. I am sure that he observed D'Antoni and incorporated anything that he thought was a strength but you are talking about a guy that has been coached and or coached with hof coaches. D'Antoni didn't invent the pick and roll or the three point shot.

Did Woody run an offense like this before he came to the Knicks and was an assistant for MDA? IF he did then Media wouldn't be righting articles expressing surprise that the team was running primarily MDA's offense. You bring up Holtzman, Knight and Brown which is fine, but again Woody wasn't coaching offense like this before he got here so why now would those old coaches suddenly have him coaching like he's MDA?

“A different way of playing offensive pick-and-roll, he’s great at it,” Woodson said when asked what he learned from D’Antoni in their time together with the Knicks. “Some of the things that Mike did, I’m still doing. I’ve added a few things to what he’s done, but I like a lot of the things Mike did from an offensive standpoint. I think Mike is a fantastic coach and again, I wish him nothing but the best.”

If it all just boiled down to running a PnR and that was it then why even say that he learned anything from MDA? There's a difference in how MDA ran what are basic plays and nearly every NBA coach recognizes that it's different. Only the BB geniuses here try and make it seem like MDA does nothing of note except PnR and shoot 3's. If it was so simple then why would someone write a book about it? There's just this mindless lack of respect for what MDA has done from fans but coaches all over BB have used his stuff indicating it was something different than what they already knew. You think Coach K needed to learn how to run a PnR and shoot 3's?

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:I don't see how this thread title makes sense. MDA had us jacking contested 3s' early in possesion or passing the ball around the perimeter and jacking a contested 3. Very little penetration or thought into it. This is a different method entirely. It's like sayiong because the goal is to get the ball in the hoop and that the high school coach and Phil Jackson all subscribe to that plan they are using the same playbook.

Yet another one who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Woody himself said that he was going to use some of MDA's stuff and since STAT has been hurt he's had to rely more on those MDA sets. Of course they'll look different when you have Felton, Kidd and Prigs running the plays. You have more experienced, patient PG's and players overall they won't take bad shots or force it. This roster is vastly improved over last year!!!

Knicks before the Melo trade were #5 in the league in Offensive efficiency!!! They ended the year at #7 after the trade and with all the adjusting the team had to do. That wasn't about throwing up shots willy nilly. Last year with basically no PG this team still wasn't just throwing up shots every game. You know darn well that the problem for much of the year was a lack of a PG and that STAT and Melo weren't in the best of shape nor was their either of them sharp skills wise. Add in the fact that Melo decided to resist what he was being asked to do and you have a mess. Fields, TD, Bibby, Baron, Jared and Walker is FAR worse than what we have now. The sets are the same with the same goal and options to the plays, but the execution is better.

As I said before. Woody realized after last year that MDA's plays worked to help the role players to excel. Melo doesn't need that help, but the rest of the team needed that system to excel. Felton, Tyson, Brewer and Novack THRIVE in this system. It simplifies the game for them and creates open shots. They don't have to work as hard to get their offense. All of you that claim to know BB should know this is true.

With that said...looking at the game it doesn't resemble MDA's game. It doesn't matter what Woody said LAST season. Rex Ryan says his team is the best he's ever had. Believe it? I said I'd start dunking like Michael Jordan but noone believes I am either.

We had Felton and Billups under MDA. Billups is as veteran in a good way as it gets. We did not have anywhere near the results. SO much for having or not having a PG.

If you didn't notice we improved immediately after MDA left. With the same roster!

Melo has been one of the deadliest scorers in the league since he got here. Including last year. How many points has STAT scored for us this year?

The sets are not anywhere near the same as last. Not even close. And there was very little thriving last year untill MDA left.

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nixluva wrote:I keep reading the same lame explanations of what is going on with the Knicks. TOo many of you keep bringing up the lack of success in the past under MDA as if that erases the point i'm making which is that Woody is succeeding using MDA's offense as the base of this years team offense. Woody has tweaked some things but under it all is MDA's offensive system

If any of you watched the post game on NBA TV Brent Barry just said that this is MDA's system the Knicks are playing. He had to make it clear that the offense this team is running is based on the MDA spread the floor concepts. All of you guys talking nonsense to me about this just need to stop and accept the facts. You have nothing with which to refute my points nor the points of the OP. Face it you guys are just wrong.

What you fail to understand is Woodson adapts his system to his personnel. He is not locked into a particular system like D'Antoni.

Dudes are reaching trying to give the failed D'Antoni credit for something he shouldnt get credit for.

mrKnickShot wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

nixluva wrote:I keep reading the same lame explanations of what is going on with the Knicks. TOo many of you keep bringing up the lack of success in the past under MDA as if that erases the point i'm making which is that Woody is succeeding using MDA's offense as the base of this years team offense. Woody has tweaked some things but under it all is MDA's offensive system

If any of you watched the post game on NBA TV Brent Barry just said that this is MDA's system the Knicks are playing. He had to make it clear that the offense this team is running is based on the MDA spread the floor concepts. All of you guys talking nonsense to me about this just need to stop and accept the facts. You have nothing with which to refute my points nor the points of the OP. Face it you guys are just wrong.

What you fail to understand is Woodson adapts his system to his personnel. He is not locked into a particular system like D'Antoni.

Dudes are reaching trying to give the failed D'Antoni credit for something he shouldnt get credit for.

well said.

What Nixluva failed to mentioned that was said on NBA tv is that a smart coach steals ideas from others coach and are willing to adapt to their personnel.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh - sound NOT familiar to one of our recent disaster coaches?

nixluva wrote:If you guys were paying attention they also mentioned that the improved personnel has a LOT to do with the success as well. You can't overlook the additions to the roster. Replacing TD, Fields, Bibby, Walker etc. with quality vets makes a huge diff, but that isn't what this is about. All of you keep making this a comparison argument when it's not. THIS WAS A DAMNED OBSERVATION!!! Understand the difference. This isn't Woody vs. MDA. It's just a point of FACT that Woody has employed MDA's schemes as the basis for the offense. Since NONE OF YOU have refuted this I would consider this yet another argument that you guys have failed to win on substance. We repeat this in every thread. I post written proof or video evidence and all you guys do is insult MDA or me. LAME...

nixluva wrote:If you guys were paying attention they also mentioned that the improved personnel has a LOT to do with the success as well. You can't overlook the additions to the roster. Replacing TD, Fields, Bibby, Walker etc. with quality vets makes a huge diff, but that isn't what this is about. All of you keep making this a comparison argument when it's not. THIS WAS A DAMNED OBSERVATION!!! Understand the difference. This isn't Woody vs. MDA. It's just a point of FACT that Woody has employed MDA's schemes as the basis for the offense. Since NONE OF YOU have refuted this I would consider this yet another argument that you guys have failed to win on substance. We repeat this in every thread. I post written proof or video evidence and all you guys do is insult MDA or me. LAME...

Give it up man.

D'Antoni has an old team in LA and he is already complaining that guys aren't athletic enough.

I recall Fields and Bibby being Mike D'Antoni players because they can shoot. Now Brewer, Smith, White, etc are Mike D'Antoni players. GTFOH.

As you pointed out a million times on this forum. SSOL is a VERY VERY specific system. This aint SSOL and you know that.

nixluva wrote:As I've been saying it's sad to watch you guys keep resorting to MDA bashing when that isn't what this thread is about. To repeat the point of this thread is to point out that the offense still has a LOT of MDA's concepts at the core of it. So far NOTHING any of you have written refutes this. Media have gone on record supporting this point. Woody has admitted it as well. The only ones who can't come to grips with this fact are the posters on this forum who hate MDA so much that they can't even admit what it plainly happening every game they watch. That's cool tho cuz i'm content with knowing all of you are frauds when it comes down to it. No real counter arguments except "MDA SUCKS" "MDA's a loser" blah blah blah. MAN UP and admit we're right on this one!

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:As I've been saying it's sad to watch you guys keep resorting to MDA bashing when that isn't what this thread is about. To repeat the point of this thread is to point out that the offense still has a LOT of MDA's concepts at the core of it. So far NOTHING any of you have written refutes this. Media have gone on record supporting this point. Woody has admitted it as well. The only ones who can't come to grips with this fact are the posters on this forum who hate MDA so much that they can't even admit what it plainly happening every game they watch. That's cool tho cuz i'm content with knowing all of you are frauds when it comes down to it. No real counter arguments except "MDA SUCKS" "MDA's a loser" blah blah blah. MAN UP and admit we're right on this one!

I just watched his team allow the shot clock to run down to 5 seconds before fouling when they were down 5 with under 30 seconds to go. They lost to the Jazz at home and the announcers said it was the worst defensive performance by the Lakers this year. Fans were booing. The jazz got a road win in LA. D'Antoni is 4-7 and his team looks really bad.

that was a real MDA moment