tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:tkf wrote:foosballnick wrote:tkf, You've mentioned a couple point in this thread that I am curious about.
One is that the Knicks will have to win a championship to justify the Melo trade. Just wondering why the expectations are so high? Knicks have not won in over 40 years, but in order for Melo to earn your respect this is what he must do? Even though you label him as only a "good" player in another thread. Do you feel that the prior to the Melo trade the roster was on it's way to a ship?
Second is that you indicated that the Nuggets are fine as constructed. Can you elaborate on how you see them finishing In the near future? I don't see them getting out of the First or second round in the West with this roster and don't see the former Knick pieces making significant contributions towards a ship.
why shouldn't they be high, we gave up a lot of pieces, picks and flexibility to get him.. we changed the team to suit him while pretty much throwing amare(100 mil man) to the back burner... we better win a ring or this was a complete waste....
I mean we don't have much to rebuild with, we gave that up... what are your expectations?
My expectations are to compete for a division title and get to the conference championship. It will be extremely difficult to beat the Heat if they are clicking. My expectations for the team prior to Melo were much lower. Compete on a night in and night out basis and get to the playoffs. I do not believe that longer term rebuilding efforts are effective any longer in the NBA given the new CBA. Teams either need to get lucky in the lottery or continually reload after 2-3 years.
I'm not sure why you would coin the Melo move as a waste without a championship. With or without the trade a championship is equally difficult and unlikely as long as Lebron leads the way. Further, the Knicks will have cap space after this run in 3 years. I like what I see in Grunwald so far and trust he will manage the roster appropriately. As long as the team is making money and competitive, Dolan will stay in check.
i think teams like the rockets, and thunder will dissagree... but to address your point, if you are not lucky in the lottery, how do you reload without the assets and picks to do so? if you are going to trade all of your flexibilty for one guy he better be "that guy", that foundation piece.. I just don't see carmelo as that guy and looking at your expectations I don't think you do as well.. this is not horse shoe.. you don't play to get close, you play to win...Are you telling me that the prior teas was never going to make any more moves?
Second is that you indicated that the Nuggets are fine as constructed. Can you elaborate on how you see them finishing In the near future?
sorry i didn't answer this before... Denver is young, they have picks, (our picks) very good youth and flexibility... they are a playoff team, and i can see them in the WCF over the next year or so, and at that point they can re-evaluate their talent, make moves or just add on with the picks they have.. their cap situation at the end of 14/15 season is very good, they will be able to go after more players... they are in very good shape... I mean they were not getting out of the first round with carmelo, i think even you can agree with that...
Further, the Knicks will have cap space after this run in 3 years.
even if that is the case, we won't have replenished any young talent.. just think in 2 years, guys like kyrie evans, jrue holliday, rondo, those guys who are still very young now will only be getting better, their teams will be adding pieces growing, we won't be doing that, we will almost be in rebuild mode with no young players(other than shump) having developed.... we may be behind those teams by then..
lets look at this... at the end of the 14/15 year, lets say we don't keep anyone not under contract, so that will leave us felton, shump and novak... feel good about buidling with that.. at least had we kept lin we can say, ok, we now have a foundation with lin and shump.. felton will be on the other side of 30 by then and he is just a average guard now... and look a this.. we will have our pick this year... most feel we will be good, so that is a late pick.. fine..
we have no pick next year in 2014, we also have no second round pick in 2013
we have our pick in 2015, and come 2016, the year in which we might not be as good depending if we are trying to rebuild as you stated since we will have cap room, denver has the right to swap, so if we are not good, they take our pick.. again, how do you rebuild that way.. you better hope we hit the free agent jackpot... and so far, we have yet to do that..
The Knicks didn't have picks to trade in the Melo deal that was why NJ's offer was so much better. The Knicks sent one 1st round pick to Denver. Most of the other picks had already been moved in previous trades. The Knicks were trying to be heavy hitters in 2010. When Walsh sent the teams lottery pick and a basically unprotected first rounder(2012) to move Jeffries contract you knew what the plan was. The young assets that you speak of have floundered since leaving NY. Not wishing them ill will. I think both Chandler and Gallo are rotation players and both might start on most teams.
11/20/2012 3:18 PM
