tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

Is dk7th and TKF the same poster?

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

NO!!!!!!

dk is in the anti melo camp but he brings valuable insight and presents logical arguments. He does not do the "lol" and "bro" crap and all the other teenage bs.

dk is much closer to 3G4G but 3G4G actually produces real arguments as well (at times)

TKF is just the house troll who has a really difficult time with multi dimensional thinking. He is a jilted youth lover (that is a bit spooky IMHO)

lol bro!

how insightful especially coming from the peanut gallery... go figure...

lol bro ...

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

here is an example:

Boston’s Kevin Garnett got one first-place vote, 20 second-places and 12 thirds. His 77 points left him a distant second to Howard’s 585 (first-place votes are worth five points, second-place are worth three and thirds are worth one.)

total 77 points...

I know it was a mistake on your part.. it happens.. I won't tell you to stop posting.... smh

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

He received zero first place votes, why are you still debating this? Without any first place votes you are not gonna win that award.

get crap out of your eyes.. I said he didn't.. but he received 3 3rd place votes which is how he ended up with 3 points!!

you said he was overrated, i am asking how? I said he had the potential to be elite one day.... the nba had him above wade and westbrook two very good defenders..

you are just wrong here...

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

He received zero first place votes, why are you still debating this? Without any first place votes you are not gonna win that award.

get crap out of your eyes.. I said he didn't.. but he received 3 3rd place votes which is how he ended up with 3 points!!

you said he was overrated, i am asking how? I said he had the potential to be elite one day.... the nba had him above wade and westbrook two very good defenders..

you are just wrong here...

Get the crap out of your eyes?

Can't you begin to take notice of your severe problem?

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

Is dk7th and TKF the same poster?

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

please explain how what i have shared is delusional. the response i got to this post is not addressing what i actually took the time to share. that's not a dialogue that's simply talking at somebody. maybe you will be newyorknewyork's proxy here?

because if you are just going to hurl insults and not actually analyze or deconstruct my argument then i have to question what you understand of the game.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Harden is no Melo. Him disappearing last year in finals as 3rd option says a lot. No post game like Melo, doesnt' rebound like melo and doesn't defend like the New Melo.

as opposed to Melo's .390 post-season FG% for us?

Hey Bonn what is Melos FG% or TS% in critical and clutch situations compared to the rest of the league? When the team absolutly needs a bucket?

i don't know about critical or clutch situations but for his career his regular season FG% is an entirely mediocre 45.6 and goes down to a pathetic 41.9 in the playoffs.

in terms of TS% in the regular season it is an entirely mediocre 54.4 (this is his TS% so far this season BTW) and plummets to an awful 51.8 in the playoffs.

these numbers imply that he does not rise to the occasion overall and that if teams do in fact plan for him that his losing playoff history show that he doesn't have the ability to adjust, that he's basically a one-trick pony.

the question is will his defense and hustle plays turn him into a true positive-sum player come the second round of the playoffs?

82games.com has clutch stats. looking at his best season in 08-09 (note no TS% which would include getting to the line):

SHOT ATT eFG ASS BLK NET
Jumpers 71% .300 50% 10% 0.9
Close 21% .667 0% 0% 0.6
Dunk 7% 1.000 0% 0% 0.3
Tips 0% .000 0% 0% 0.0
Inside 29% .750 0% 0% 0.9

these stats don't actually state whether the team is ahead by 5 or behind by 5.

for comparison, if you look at pierce the year garnett was out (08-09), he averages 2.6 net on jumpers and .8 close in. i use this season because without garnett you can be sure that the celtics were fighting from behind more often than not.

pierce 2.6 and .8 in 08-09 the year garnett was out and you presume the celtics will be trailing more often than not
bryant 2.6 and .4 in 08-09 against the inferior magic squad
bryant 1.5 and .6 in 07-08 against the superior celtic squad
wade 1.6 and .6 in 05-06 which was the ref gifting series so he had help
melo 0.9 and .6 in 08-09 which was his most successful playoff season

melo is well off the pace of his so-called peers.

Intersting,

At the same time Wade is 4-16 in the playoffs after he lost Shaq and before he got with Lebron. After the east got stronger and Pierce lost Walker for a 3yr spand he went 3-8 in the playoffs while missing it entirely one of the those yrs before they got Garnett. Bryants 3yr span after he lost Shaq he missed the playoffs then went 4-8 the 2 yrs he did go.

Melo's last 2 playoff yrs in Denver when he got Billups

He averaged 29pts, 456fg%, 840ft%, 9.1ftattempts, 340/3pt%, 7rebs, 3.8ast, 1.8stls, 2.6to

His last yr in the playoffs for Denver
30.7pts, 464fg%, 877ft%, 9.5 ftattempts, 316 3pt%, 8.5rebs, 4ast, 2stls, 3.5tos

According to you guys own stat logic Melo was great in the playoffs his last 2 yrs in Denver. And other then fg% was incredible in the plaoffs vs Boston. Vs Miami we were overmatched and they had the best collections of swamming athletes in the NBA. In comparison Durant who is better then Anthony with WAY more help last playoffs while more effiecient in shooting I believe lost out to Anthony in every other statistical category when facing Miami in the finals while also winning the same amount of games that Anhthony did vs the champs.

You really can't analyze scoring efficiency in a sample of fewer than 1000 shots. If you look at each individual post-season, you're going to have wildly inconsistent data.

Quick question Bonn, based on the stats for his last yr in Denver which he lost in the first rd. Do you believe he lost that series because he was inefficient?

46.4 fg% average
49.1 eFG% below average
56.4 TS% average
32% USG with 3.3 assists and 3.5 turnovers-- not good at all
15% assist rate = 85% isolation scoring

outside of really mediocre scoring efficiency and overall selfishness he surely was not defending and making hustle plays.

these stats really demonstrate how melo is really a zero-sum player. his 30.7 point average for that series is the definition of empty.

So 9.5ft attempts at 87.7%, 2stls per game, 3.3ast(sorry mixed up the previous yr) and 8.5rebs per game is empty.

I don't think its worth continuing this conversation.

Is dk7th and TKF the same poster?

No way a board can have the exact same delusionals on it.

please explain how what i have shared is delusional. the response i got to this post is not addressing what i actually took the time to share. that's not a dialogue that's simply talking at somebody. maybe you will be newyorknewyork's proxy here?

because if you are just going to hurl insults and not actually analyze or deconstruct my argument then i have to question what you understand of the game.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

He received zero first place votes, why are you still debating this? Without any first place votes you are not gonna win that award.

get crap out of your eyes.. I said he didn't.. but he received 3 3rd place votes which is how he ended up with 3 points!!

you said he was overrated, i am asking how? I said he had the potential to be elite one day.... the nba had him above wade and westbrook two very good defenders..

you are just wrong here...

Get the crap out of your eyes?

Can't you begin to take notice of your severe problem?

Shumpert is a good defender because he got two points, but no first place votes.

I wonder how he feels about Melo being in the MVP convo.

knickscity wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

He received zero first place votes, why are you still debating this? Without any first place votes you are not gonna win that award.

get crap out of your eyes.. I said he didn't.. but he received 3 3rd place votes which is how he ended up with 3 points!!

you said he was overrated, i am asking how? I said he had the potential to be elite one day.... the nba had him above wade and westbrook two very good defenders..

you are just wrong here...

Get the crap out of your eyes?

Can't you begin to take notice of your severe problem?

It's really simple, he's bi-polar.

Shumpert is a good defender because he got two points, but no first place votes.

I wonder how he feels about Melo being in the MVP convo.

Shumpert is a good defender though I do think he is a bit overrated. I think Brewer is a better defender and a far more efficient offender.

Can Shumpert get a lot better? sure.

Can Shumpert not get better? That is possible too.

Can he stay healthy? That is the bigger question.

I am curious how non knick fans judge him and his potential.

knickscity wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:shumpert received first place defensive votes???

Time to stop posting dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html#dpoy

i said one first place vote.... I must have misread, but he did receive votes, heck more than wade it seems, again impressive for a rookie, my point still stands....

He received none, points aren't votes.

Well i guess he might be like Wade after all.....the 30 year old version.

each vote is worth a point(1st place =5 points, second place 3 points, 3rd place 1 point), he has 3 points I think it was, so he must have received votes dude..

and I will take the 30 year old version of wade, he would be the best player on our team currently....

He received zero first place votes, why are you still debating this? Without any first place votes you are not gonna win that award.

get crap out of your eyes.. I said he didn't.. but he received 3 3rd place votes which is how he ended up with 3 points!!

you said he was overrated, i am asking how? I said he had the potential to be elite one day.... the nba had him above wade and westbrook two very good defenders..

you are just wrong here...

Get the crap out of your eyes?

Can't you begin to take notice of your severe problem?

It's really simple, he's bi-polar.

Shumpert is a good defender because he got two points, but no first place votes.

I wonder how he feels about Melo being in the MVP convo.

mvp convo is nothing official.. that is the difference... again, all you two guys can do is throw insults, just shows your inability to hold a discussion especially in the face of evidence that is not in your favor..

MVP conversation means what? what is the official standing with that?

shumpert received dpoy votes, albeit third place votes, again,people are officially taking notice...

but again you play the shell game.. you called him overrated, I asked you how and pointed out that he received dpoy votes, period, that is a fact....I never said he won, or had a chance to win, just how is that overrated when in this conversation I never did such a thing..

again, you take a childish approach, and then throw in the peanut gallery behind cosigning your bs, you run right along...

just shows you are really in above your head, and not capable of holding an intelligent convo... pretty much a losers approach..

i am done here.. just admit you are wrong.. you called him overrated and I am asking , what was shumpert rated?