came down to a dez fingernail!

How can the giants let that even happen! Hate their conservatism!

mrKnickShot wrote:whew!!!

came down to a dez fingernail!

How can the giants let that even happen! Hate their conservatism!

OMG!!!...The make every game unnecessarily close...

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:whew!!!

came down to a dez fingernail!

How can the giants let that even happen! Hate their conservatism!

OMG!!!...The make every game unnecessarily close...

People wonder why Eli is so good in the 4th quarter but always miss the actual reason why.

They never allow him to go no huddle outside of when being behind in the 4th quarter! He is great in no huddle! Why not play to his strength? Many teams do this, why not us when we have a qb that is probably the best in the league at it!

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:US Olympic team.........

Not a big enough sample size...

Now you're actually getting it...

So Lin now has a better cast in Houston than when he had in NY during Linsanity...I know u believe that Lin is better than Felton...So I should assume you believe that Houston should have a better record than the Knicks this season...Care to stake your already vulnerable rep on that???

This makes absolutely no sense.

By the way Coughlin sucks

I never thought I would dislike a coach so much that won two championships.

Dude! It's sad but I seriously feel the same way. He is a good coach but he can do far more with what he has instead of being an old school ass.

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:US Olympic team.........

Not a big enough sample size...

Now you're actually getting it...

So Lin now has a better cast in Houston than when he had in NY during Linsanity...I know u believe that Lin is better than Felton...So I should assume you believe that Houston should have a better record than the Knicks this season...Care to stake your already vulnerable rep on that???

This makes absolutely no sense.

By the way Coughlin sucks

I never thought I would dislike a coach so much that won two championships.

Dude! It's sad but I seriously feel the same way. He is a good coach but he can do far more with what he has instead of being an old school ass.

But the also get aggressive when they aren't suppose to...Like the Philly game where they were in field goal range and they throw the ball when they should have run it...Got a penalty on the offense to push them back out of filed goal range...A great coach, I don't know..

Yes. That's because Killdrive thinks he is smarter than everyone. I think this shyt is what probably got him punched in the face by buddy ryan.

While I can't stand Killdrive myself as our OC. I am pretty sure many of the calls are Eli's based on how the defense lines up. He saw single coverage on Barden and felt he had a jump ball attemp or a mismatch since the CB was getting called for PI heavy. Eli also has the option of checking in and out of runs at any time so its hard to know which call is Eli or Killdrives.

TC keeps the team in check so they don't become a circus like the Jets, and the Giants coaching staff has coached up many of Reeses great draft picks to reach there potential. They also game plan very well for teams especially come playoff time. But he also isn't as creative as I would like, thats the down side. But you realize how important that other stuff is once its gone.

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If Harden plays like he did last year, then the Manu analogy is apt and he is definitely a max player. The problem is that was only one season of data.

U confuse me at every step...Harden is a max player??? and I believe u have argued Melo is not a max player...Am I correct??

There was an "if" in front of my statement but otherwise you are correct.

So Harden is better than Melo?

Most likely, yes. I say "most likely" because my claim is based on only two seasons of data from Harden but it's two unambiguously better seasons than what Melo provides. It's still not clear to me that Melo even helps his team win games.

I wonder how Melo would do if he played with Westbrook, Durant, Perkins, Ibaka etc.

Terrible. Only one ball.

LOL! Crush's question is a misguided excuse for MElo ball. Performance is impacted much less than many think by the quality of your teammates. You can be a good, efficient player whether you have great or bad teammates.

Is a Prime Ginobli better than Melo?

by a landslide.

ROTFLOL not saying I disagree I think your response is hilarious. I'd wager to say if you surveyed 30GMs across the league on Harden/Ginobli/Melo at their best it would go...

67.3% Ginobli
30.3% Harden
3.3% Melo

They would show Melo some love

How many wins per season and playoff series wins do you think Ginobli or Harden get if they are the best players on there teams?

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:US Olympic team.........

Not a big enough sample size...

Now you're actually getting it...

So Lin now has a better cast in Houston than when he had in NY during Linsanity...I know u believe that Lin is better than Felton...So I should assume you believe that Houston should have a better record than the Knicks this season...Care to stake your already vulnerable rep on that???

This makes absolutely no sense.

By the way Coughlin sucks

I never thought I would dislike a coach so much that won two championships.

Dude! It's sad but I seriously feel the same way. He is a good coach but he can do far more with what he has instead of being an old school ass.

But the also get aggressive when they aren't suppose to...Like the Philly game where they were in field goal range and they throw the ball when they should have run it...Got a penalty on the offense to push them back out of filed goal range...A great coach, I don't know..

What about against the Redskins last week? Our two possessions before Washington took the lead and we're passing the ball over and over again!

Yeah at about the 7 min mark in the 4th, they needed to take time off the clock...Insane..The crazy thing is, its hard to gauge how good this team is 8 games into the season...I feel they can beat anyone but I also feel they can lose to anyone..And it all has to do with the sidelines...

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If Harden plays like he did last year, then the Manu analogy is apt and he is definitely a max player. The problem is that was only one season of data.

U confuse me at every step...Harden is a max player??? and I believe u have argued Melo is not a max player...Am I correct??

There was an "if" in front of my statement but otherwise you are correct.

So Harden is better than Melo?

Most likely, yes. I say "most likely" because my claim is based on only two seasons of data from Harden but it's two unambiguously better seasons than what Melo provides. It's still not clear to me that Melo even helps his team win games.

I wonder how Melo would do if he played with Westbrook, Durant, Perkins, Ibaka etc.

Terrible. Only one ball.

LOL! Crush's question is a misguided excuse for MElo ball. Performance is impacted much less than many think by the quality of your teammates. You can be a good, efficient player whether you have great or bad teammates.

Is a Prime Ginobli better than Melo?

by a landslide.

ROTFLOL not saying I disagree I think your response is hilarious. I'd wager to say if you surveyed 30GMs across the league on Harden/Ginobli/Melo at their best it would go...

67.3% Ginobli
30.3% Harden
3.3% Melo

They would show Melo some love

How many wins per season and playoff series wins do you think Ginobli or Harden get if they are the best players on there teams?

Probably not many. But it would be pretty to watch.

mrKnickShot wrote:newyorknewyork, for the most part, Ican't argue with your points. However, Eli certainly audibles often and does it well but is it his choice to always snap the ball between 0-7 seconds on the play clock? Can he run no huddle if he deems it to be correct for the moment? He can't. He is still on a leash.

They have certainly drafted really well and brought along our players, they have also been pretty awful defensively, especially during the regular season under coughlin.

I am really mixed on him and he and his coordinators certainly get under my skin often.

The SB Rings certainly helps to alleviate this

Trust me I feel the same way you do! Lets hope they get it together when they need to like they usually do.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If Harden plays like he did last year, then the Manu analogy is apt and he is definitely a max player. The problem is that was only one season of data.

U confuse me at every step...Harden is a max player??? and I believe u have argued Melo is not a max player...Am I correct??

There was an "if" in front of my statement but otherwise you are correct.

So Harden is better than Melo?

Most likely, yes. I say "most likely" because my claim is based on only two seasons of data from Harden but it's two unambiguously better seasons than what Melo provides. It's still not clear to me that Melo even helps his team win games.

I wonder how Melo would do if he played with Westbrook, Durant, Perkins, Ibaka etc.

Terrible. Only one ball.

LOL! Crush's question is a misguided excuse for MElo ball. Performance is impacted much less than many think by the quality of your teammates. You can be a good, efficient player whether you have great or bad teammates.

Is a Prime Ginobli better than Melo?

by a landslide.

ROTFLOL not saying I disagree I think your response is hilarious. I'd wager to say if you surveyed 30GMs across the league on Harden/Ginobli/Melo at their best it would go...

67.3% Ginobli
30.3% Harden
3.3% Melo

They would show Melo some love

How many wins per season and playoff series wins do you think Ginobli or Harden get if they are the best players on there teams?

It would depend on many factors. We've gone .472 in games Melo has played in. Replace Melo with Harden from last year or Ginobili in his prime and I'd guess it would be somewhere between .520 or maybe .560.

Maybe but I would love to see the sabermetrics on that one.

Also, being the one man show would take a serious toll on Manu's body. Not sure if he could handle that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If Harden plays like he did last year, then the Manu analogy is apt and he is definitely a max player. The problem is that was only one season of data.

U confuse me at every step...Harden is a max player??? and I believe u have argued Melo is not a max player...Am I correct??

There was an "if" in front of my statement but otherwise you are correct.

So Harden is better than Melo?

Most likely, yes. I say "most likely" because my claim is based on only two seasons of data from Harden but it's two unambiguously better seasons than what Melo provides. It's still not clear to me that Melo even helps his team win games.

I wonder how Melo would do if he played with Westbrook, Durant, Perkins, Ibaka etc.

Terrible. Only one ball.

LOL! Crush's question is a misguided excuse for MElo ball. Performance is impacted much less than many think by the quality of your teammates. You can be a good, efficient player whether you have great or bad teammates.

Is a Prime Ginobli better than Melo?

by a landslide.

ROTFLOL not saying I disagree I think your response is hilarious. I'd wager to say if you surveyed 30GMs across the league on Harden/Ginobli/Melo at their best it would go...

67.3% Ginobli
30.3% Harden
3.3% Melo

They would show Melo some love

How many wins per season and playoff series wins do you think Ginobli or Harden get if they are the best players on there teams?

It would depend on many factors. We've gone .472 in games Melo has played in. Replace Melo with Harden from last year or Ginobili in his prime and I'd guess it would be somewhere between .520 or maybe .560.

Its possible due to Ginobli or Harden being a better fit for last yrs roster with Amare and Tyson. Melo though has a 591 win % for his yrs in Denver. Ginobli and Harden wouldn't have that with the same squads Melo had in Denver.