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8/29/2012  9:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/29/2012  9:28 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

OH PLEASE there is no proof of that and lets not kidd ourselves, carmelo's moronic comments about lin, were just busch league, and he meant, the guy has a big mouth, and little brains.. he meant what he said...

Total drivel. I believe Melo and Lin and Dantoni confirmed that Melo wanted Lin to get more playtime.

for the love of god stop.. dantoni tried to get melo traded, melo didn't want to play point forward, he complained about dantoni sticking him in the corner... I doubt the two ever really spoke, nevertheless melo giving him advice on who to play. just stop it! never confirmed at all...

Jeremy Lin on Carmelo Anthony: ‘I Look Up to Him’


Ever since “Linsanity” took over the New York Knicks and the NBA, there’s been a fear by some fans and media that when Carmelo Anthony returns to the lineup, the magic will fade away. Both ‘Melo and Jeremy Lin have pooh-poohed the theory (as have most reasonable observers.) Here’s the latest, via the NY Post: “Lin, who has sparked the Knicks’ current seven-game winning streak and is the talk of the town, also credited Anthony for telling coach Mike D’Antoni to give the undrafted Harvard guard a chance. ‘I’ve been hearing reports ‘Can Jeremy coexist with ‘Melo?’ and this and that, and I’m just confused because he’s the one who vouched for me in the first place,’ Lin said on WFAN’s ‘Boomer and Carton Show’ this morning. ‘You know we want to play together, and we want to work together and we’re buying into that. Some people are calling ‘Melo selfish and [saying that] he doesn’t buy into the team, and that’s just tough for anyone to hear, especially when we don’t think it’s true.” [...] Lin went further to debunk the speculation surrounding the team’s chemistry and the potential pitfalls that may arise when Anthony returns from injuries. The All-Star forward is expected back either Friday against the Hornets or Sunday against the Mavericks. ‘The guy gives me advice all the time. I look up to him. He’s a leader on this team, a captain, we need him out there, and we’re excited to have him back,’ Lin said. ‘Melo has been saying the same thing to me too and telling me, ‘When I come back, you’ve got to be aggressive; we’re going to play off each other.’ We’re committed and we’re going to make this thing happen; we’re going to find a way to become even more explosive offensively.’”

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/jeremy-lin-on-carmelo-anthony-i-look-up-to-him/

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8/29/2012  9:28 PM
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

This is what all the Melo-Haters conveniently ignore.

Again, I like Lin but that contract was just ridiculous and any sensible person knows it.

it is ridiculous if you don't understand how it works.. lin would on average make around 6-7 mil per year.. how is that ridiculous....

ah, unless you want to spin this into him making 15 mil in one year as if that is his yearly salary, or better yet, you put he whole luxury tax burden on his deal.. LOL

It is ok tho that carmelo makes 20 mil a year, right? the first round exit wonder.....

Melo has proven himself so don't even go there.

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8/29/2012  9:29 PM
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

OH PLEASE there is no proof of that and lets not kidd ourselves, carmelo's moronic comments about lin, were just busch league, and he meant, the guy has a big mouth, and little brains.. he meant what he said...

Total drivel. I believe Melo and Lin and Dantoni confirmed that Melo wanted Lin to get more playtime.

for the love of god stop.. dantoni tried to get melo traded, melo didn't want to play point forward, he complained about dantoni sticking him in the corner... I doubt the two ever really spoke, nevertheless melo giving him advice on who to play. just stop it! never confirmed at all...

Jeremy Lin on Carmelo Anthony: ‘I Look Up to Him’


Ever since “Linsanity” took over the New York Knicks and the NBA, there’s been a fear by some fans and media that when Carmelo Anthony returns to the lineup, the magic will fade away. Both ‘Melo and Jeremy Lin have pooh-poohed the theory (as have most reasonable observers.) Here’s the latest, via the NY Post: “Lin, who has sparked the Knicks’ current seven-game winning streak and is the talk of the town, also credited Anthony for telling coach Mike D’Antoni to give the undrafted Harvard guard a chance. ‘I’ve been hearing reports ‘Can Jeremy coexist with ‘Melo?’ and this and that, and I’m just confused because he’s the one who vouched for me in the first place,’ Lin said on WFAN’s ‘Boomer and Carton Show’ this morning. ‘You know we want to play together, and we want to work together and we’re buying into that. Some people are calling ‘Melo selfish and [saying that] he doesn’t buy into the team, and that’s just tough for anyone to hear, especially when we don’t think it’s true.” [...] Lin went further to debunk the speculation surrounding the team’s chemistry and the potential pitfalls that may arise when Anthony returns from injuries. The All-Star forward is expected back either Friday against the Hornets or Sunday against the Mavericks. ‘The guy gives me advice all the time. I look up to him. He’s a leader on this team, a captain, we need him out there, and we’re excited to have him back,’ Lin said. ‘Melo has been saying the same thing to me too and telling me, ‘When I come back, you’ve got to be aggressive; we’re going to play off each other.’ We’re committed and we’re going to make this thing happen; we’re going to find a way to become even more explosive offensively.’”

tkf will just claim that Lin is lying. There are quotes out there of Melo and Dantoni also confirming this same exact thing. tkf lives on fantasy island.

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8/29/2012  9:44 PM
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

OH PLEASE there is no proof of that and lets not kidd ourselves, carmelo's moronic comments about lin, were just busch league, and he meant, the guy has a big mouth, and little brains.. he meant what he said...

Total drivel. I believe Melo and Lin and Dantoni confirmed that Melo wanted Lin to get more playtime.

for the love of god stop.. dantoni tried to get melo traded, melo didn't want to play point forward, he complained about dantoni sticking him in the corner... I doubt the two ever really spoke, nevertheless melo giving him advice on who to play. just stop it! never confirmed at all...

Jeremy Lin on Carmelo Anthony: ‘I Look Up to Him’


Ever since “Linsanity” took over the New York Knicks and the NBA, there’s been a fear by some fans and media that when Carmelo Anthony returns to the lineup, the magic will fade away. Both ‘Melo and Jeremy Lin have pooh-poohed the theory (as have most reasonable observers.) Here’s the latest, via the NY Post: “Lin, who has sparked the Knicks’ current seven-game winning streak and is the talk of the town, also credited Anthony for telling coach Mike D’Antoni to give the undrafted Harvard guard a chance. ‘I’ve been hearing reports ‘Can Jeremy coexist with ‘Melo?’ and this and that, and I’m just confused because he’s the one who vouched for me in the first place,’ Lin said on WFAN’s ‘Boomer and Carton Show’ this morning. ‘You know we want to play together, and we want to work together and we’re buying into that. Some people are calling ‘Melo selfish and [saying that] he doesn’t buy into the team, and that’s just tough for anyone to hear, especially when we don’t think it’s true.” [...] Lin went further to debunk the speculation surrounding the team’s chemistry and the potential pitfalls that may arise when Anthony returns from injuries. The All-Star forward is expected back either Friday against the Hornets or Sunday against the Mavericks. ‘The guy gives me advice all the time. I look up to him. He’s a leader on this team, a captain, we need him out there, and we’re excited to have him back,’ Lin said. ‘Melo has been saying the same thing to me too and telling me, ‘When I come back, you’ve got to be aggressive; we’re going to play off each other.’ We’re committed and we’re going to make this thing happen; we’re going to find a way to become even more explosive offensively.’”

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/jeremy-lin-on-carmelo-anthony-i-look-up-to-him/

lin playing nice politics.. and vouched for him, meaning what? the fact that lin had to defend carmelo is sad, yet when carmelo had the chance to back lin, he threw lin and his deal under the bus....

then when JR smith chimed in, carmelo did nothing to squash that... usually what real leaders do..

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8/29/2012  9:45 PM
infinitilov100 wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

This is what all the Melo-Haters conveniently ignore.

Again, I like Lin but that contract was just ridiculous and any sensible person knows it.

it is ridiculous if you don't understand how it works.. lin would on average make around 6-7 mil per year.. how is that ridiculous....

ah, unless you want to spin this into him making 15 mil in one year as if that is his yearly salary, or better yet, you put he whole luxury tax burden on his deal.. LOL

It is ok tho that carmelo makes 20 mil a year, right? the first round exit wonder.....

Melo has proven himself so don't even go there.

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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8/29/2012  9:47 PM
tkf wrote:
Uptown wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

OH PLEASE there is no proof of that and lets not kidd ourselves, carmelo's moronic comments about lin, were just busch league, and he meant, the guy has a big mouth, and little brains.. he meant what he said...

Total drivel. I believe Melo and Lin and Dantoni confirmed that Melo wanted Lin to get more playtime.

for the love of god stop.. dantoni tried to get melo traded, melo didn't want to play point forward, he complained about dantoni sticking him in the corner... I doubt the two ever really spoke, nevertheless melo giving him advice on who to play. just stop it! never confirmed at all...

Jeremy Lin on Carmelo Anthony: ‘I Look Up to Him’


Ever since “Linsanity” took over the New York Knicks and the NBA, there’s been a fear by some fans and media that when Carmelo Anthony returns to the lineup, the magic will fade away. Both ‘Melo and Jeremy Lin have pooh-poohed the theory (as have most reasonable observers.) Here’s the latest, via the NY Post: “Lin, who has sparked the Knicks’ current seven-game winning streak and is the talk of the town, also credited Anthony for telling coach Mike D’Antoni to give the undrafted Harvard guard a chance. ‘I’ve been hearing reports ‘Can Jeremy coexist with ‘Melo?’ and this and that, and I’m just confused because he’s the one who vouched for me in the first place,’ Lin said on WFAN’s ‘Boomer and Carton Show’ this morning. ‘You know we want to play together, and we want to work together and we’re buying into that. Some people are calling ‘Melo selfish and [saying that] he doesn’t buy into the team, and that’s just tough for anyone to hear, especially when we don’t think it’s true.” [...] Lin went further to debunk the speculation surrounding the team’s chemistry and the potential pitfalls that may arise when Anthony returns from injuries. The All-Star forward is expected back either Friday against the Hornets or Sunday against the Mavericks. ‘The guy gives me advice all the time. I look up to him. He’s a leader on this team, a captain, we need him out there, and we’re excited to have him back,’ Lin said. ‘Melo has been saying the same thing to me too and telling me, ‘When I come back, you’ve got to be aggressive; we’re going to play off each other.’ We’re committed and we’re going to make this thing happen; we’re going to find a way to become even more explosive offensively.’”

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/jeremy-lin-on-carmelo-anthony-i-look-up-to-him/

lin playing nice politics.. and vouched for him, meaning what? the fact that lin had to defend carmelo is sad, yet when carmelo had the chance to back lin, he threw lin and his deal under the bus....

then when JR smith chimed in, carmelo did nothing to squash that... usually what real leaders do..

TKF, the day before the Melo comments were taken out of context the Knicks had a summer league game. Hahn reported on Melo's comments, I believe played the entire sound bite and presented it in context. There was nothing wrong with what he said in context.
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8/29/2012  9:57 PM
tkf wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

OH PLEASE there is no proof of that and lets not kidd ourselves, carmelo's moronic comments about lin, were just busch league, and he meant, the guy has a big mouth, and little brains.. he meant what he said...

While appearing Thursday afternoon on ESPN New York 1050's "The Michael Kay Show," Lin confirmed that Anthony told coach Mike D'Antoni to put him in the Knicks' Feb. 4 game against the New Jersey Nets, which was Lin's breakout performance. He scored 25 points and had seven assists off the bench, before being named a starter two days later against the Utah Jazz.

On whether Lin appreciated Anthony's gesture, the second-year player said, "Of course! ... I didn't hear about that until after the game."

Based on what Anthony did for his career, Lin finds it all the more surprising that people talk about the Knicks' superstar not jelling with the team's new and improved point guard-focused system. Lin said Anthony wants to feed off of the Knicks' current success.

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"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."


Now, he's glad Anthony, and eventually D'Antoni, gave him the opportunity.

"It was worth the wait," Lin said.

Jared Zwerling is a regular contributor to ESPNNewYork.com


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7583284/jeremy-lin-got-my-shot-new-york-knicks-thanks-carmelo-anthony
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8/30/2012  8:09 AM
tkf wrote:

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

This is ridiculous. Let's see if the great Lin can even get a team into the playoffs as the main guy.

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8/30/2012  8:44 AM
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

This is ridiculous. Let's see if the great Lin can even get a team into the playoffs as the main guy.

Ehh, let's see if Lin can last more than 25 games first, forget playoffs.

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8/30/2012  9:18 AM

No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

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8/30/2012  9:29 AM
Nalod wrote:
No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

We don't need Felton to be our savior, it's a team game. But I can guarantee you he will play more than 25 games unlike some flash in the pan.

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8/30/2012  9:35 AM
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No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. LoL!

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8/30/2012  9:54 AM
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

This is ridiculous. Let's see if the great Lin can even get a team into the playoffs as the main guy.


Don't you just hate ridiculous facts?
A guy on a $25 mil contract shouldn't be expected to carry a team. A guy on a $100 mil should be.
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8/30/2012  10:15 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

This is ridiculous. Let's see if the great Lin can even get a team into the playoffs as the main guy.


Don't you just hate ridiculous facts?
A guy on a $25 mil contract shouldn't be expected to carry a team. A guy on a $100 mil should be.

Amar'e and Melo have carried teams into the playoffs throughout their careers. You and others ignore this and act as if Lin is superior to both Amar'e and Melo. If Lin is as good as you and others claim then he should be able to get HOU to at least the 8th seed. It has nothing to do with contracts and everything to do with skills, talent and the ability to carry a team. People have spent weeks blabbering about how great Lin and calling him "a special talent" but are now backpedaling at the mere mention of HOU making the playoffs which apparently is not a big deal and easy to accomplish according to tkf.

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8/30/2012  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/30/2012  10:35 AM
NUPE wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NUPE wrote:
tkf wrote:

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

This is ridiculous. Let's see if the great Lin can even get a team into the playoffs as the main guy.


Don't you just hate ridiculous facts?
A guy on a $25 mil contract shouldn't be expected to carry a team. A guy on a $100 mil should be.

Amar'e and Melo have carried teams into the playoffs throughout their careers. You and others ignore this and act as if Lin is superior to both Amar'e and Melo. If Lin is as good as you and others claim then he should be able to get HOU to at least the 8th seed. It has nothing to do with contracts and everything to do with skills, talent and the ability to carry a team. People have spent weeks blabbering about how great Lin and calling him "a special talent" but are now backpedaling at the mere mention of HOU making the playoffs which apparently is not a big deal and easy to accomplish according to tkf.


How good do you think I claim he is?
And I don't find making the playoffs impressive. The majority of teams make the playoffs. Making it means just that you're not really bad.
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8/30/2012  10:39 AM
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No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

We don't need Felton to be our savior, it's a team game. But I can guarantee you he will play more than 25 games unlike some flash in the pan.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes

He played well for Woodson on a bad knee.

He had one month to get into playing shape.

He had no camp. Team traveling its not easy to get in playing shape.

He has had all off season to get into starters minutes kind of shape.

Being a free agent put him into a crazy situation.

Lin did what he did. Bottom line is we let him go when we intended to keep him.

We fought for his bird rights. We told the world we wanted him. We told teh world he starts.

So lets not go "flash in the pan" kind of talk.

We botched it up. Why? Cuz our intentions did not come to fruition. He is not on the roster?

Blame Lin? By the sounds of it we never made an offer until he was told to go find a number. Now we say "he never wanted to be here"? Comical. Its reported Dolan didn't want him to play in the playoffs so he could just get healed. Every sign internally and media reported was we would match all offers. Thats because the knicks figured his value. Knicks did not anticipate the poison pill. So the net effect, Lin is not here.

Thus its a fail. Forget Kidd and Felton and Pablo because this is not where we were going.

Shyt happens. Its still a fail.

He broke down is not a valid reason to "good riddance". The poison pill should never been offered because he should have been locked up.

Anything else is a failure. It happens. ALl teams fail. Orlando failed to keep its superstar. Boston Failed because they basically gave away Joe Johnson to PHX. Dallas Failed to evaluate Nash and let him walk so they could sign Dampier. Golden State failed to evaluate Lin's potential. Houston wiffed on him also. Knicks saw it right in front of them. The whole world saw it.

You saw it. Lin was ready to sign for like 5-6 mil and rockets knew we'd match, so the put in the pill. I can't say for sure but you give lin that 5-6 mil a year early enough in the process we keep him.

Im speculating of course. I do know the intended PG for the Knicks, a kid who still needs further developement and work on turnovers is a great prospect still and showed the clutch gene in the hot media spotlight.

We failed.

What team lets a talented prospect get away? Who lets a talented kid even get to the point a team offers a poisen pill? One who does not evaluate properly or makes decisons on emotion.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes were at game 17 in Charlotte. I was at that game.

Team is 9-15 when linsanity starts.

So lets say: 66 game season, minus 17, is 51 and he plays 35 of those games before going down. Thats not quite as snarky as "He only played 25 games and we should give him 15mil in one year?"

If we never wanted him thats one thing. KNicks did. Knicks lost him, thus failed.

Maybe its not the end of the world and the team is still going to be good.

Rooting for the team to succeed is one thing. Defending a failure is pointless homerism.

Despite it all, the team fortunes are still strong given the size of the fanbase.

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8/30/2012  10:50 AM
Nalod wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

We don't need Felton to be our savior, it's a team game. But I can guarantee you he will play more than 25 games unlike some flash in the pan.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes

He played well for Woodson on a bad knee.

He had one month to get into playing shape.

He had no camp. Team traveling its not easy to get in playing shape.

He has had all off season to get into starters minutes kind of shape.

Being a free agent put him into a crazy situation.

Lin did what he did. Bottom line is we let him go when we intended to keep him.

We fought for his bird rights. We told the world we wanted him. We told teh world he starts.

So lets not go "flash in the pan" kind of talk.

We botched it up. Why? Cuz our intentions did not come to fruition. He is not on the roster?

Blame Lin? By the sounds of it we never made an offer until he was told to go find a number. Now we say "he never wanted to be here"? Comical. Its reported Dolan didn't want him to play in the playoffs so he could just get healed. Every sign internally and media reported was we would match all offers. Thats because the knicks figured his value. Knicks did not anticipate the poison pill. So the net effect, Lin is not here.

Thus its a fail. Forget Kidd and Felton and Pablo because this is not where we were going.

Shyt happens. Its still a fail.

He broke down is not a valid reason to "good riddance". The poison pill should never been offered because he should have been locked up.

Anything else is a failure. It happens. ALl teams fail. Orlando failed to keep its superstar. Boston Failed because they basically gave away Joe Johnson to PHX. Dallas Failed to evaluate Nash and let him walk so they could sign Dampier. Golden State failed to evaluate Lin's potential. Houston wiffed on him also. Knicks saw it right in front of them. The whole world saw it.

You saw it. Lin was ready to sign for like 5-6 mil and rockets knew we'd match, so the put in the pill. I can't say for sure but you give lin that 5-6 mil a year early enough in the process we keep him.

Im speculating of course. I do know the intended PG for the Knicks, a kid who still needs further developement and work on turnovers is a great prospect still and showed the clutch gene in the hot media spotlight.

We failed.

What team lets a talented prospect get away? Who lets a talented kid even get to the point a team offers a poisen pill? One who does not evaluate properly or makes decisons on emotion.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes were at game 17 in Charlotte. I was at that game.

Team is 9-15 when linsanity starts.

So lets say: 66 game season, minus 17, is 51 and he plays 35 of those games before going down. Thats not quite as snarky as "He only played 25 games and we should give him 15mil in one year?"

If we never wanted him thats one thing. KNicks did. Knicks lost him, thus failed.

Maybe its not the end of the world and the team is still going to be good.

Rooting for the team to succeed is one thing. Defending a failure is pointless homerism.

Despite it all, the team fortunes are still strong given the size of the fanbase.

Okay I'll give him 26(including the Nets game). The rest were off the bench in garbage time.

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8/30/2012  11:42 AM
Nalod wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
No linsanity, no playoffs for knicks last season.

Playoffs?

Rockets are not a playoff team. Lin is not a 20mm player.

He got one year huge money. It was not a value contract, it was a poison pill.

Why the "good riddance" from so many? Lovers so insecure we have to kick every player who leaves to the curb hoping they don't come back to haunt the decision?

What, no more AR love? Darko Love? MDA blame run out so we have to pound our chest now hoping Felton is the new savior at PG?

End result is Knicks botched Losing Lin. He was a knick and now he is gone without compensation. Laying blame on Lin is comical. Knicks should have locked him up.

In a world where results matter, the ending result is we let him slip away. There should have never been a poison pill. Give him a nice deal before free agency and tell him if he don't sign he can walk. If he walks, there is no back end 15mm poison pill because Knicks are out of it.

Like I said, he never should have gotten away or let him hit free agency. Maybe 100 reasons why we don't keep him and they may be valid but its not the result we wanted. Knicks wanted this kid. We lost him. Fail.

Thus the Knick idiocy legacy continues.

We don't need Felton to be our savior, it's a team game. But I can guarantee you he will play more than 25 games unlike some flash in the pan.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes

He played well for Woodson on a bad knee.

He had one month to get into playing shape.

He had no camp. Team traveling its not easy to get in playing shape.

He has had all off season to get into starters minutes kind of shape.

Being a free agent put him into a crazy situation.

Lin did what he did. Bottom line is we let him go when we intended to keep him.

We fought for his bird rights. We told the world we wanted him. We told teh world he starts.

So lets not go "flash in the pan" kind of talk.

We botched it up. Why? Cuz our intentions did not come to fruition. He is not on the roster?

Blame Lin? By the sounds of it we never made an offer until he was told to go find a number. Now we say "he never wanted to be here"? Comical. Its reported Dolan didn't want him to play in the playoffs so he could just get healed. Every sign internally and media reported was we would match all offers. Thats because the knicks figured his value. Knicks did not anticipate the poison pill. So the net effect, Lin is not here.

Thus its a fail. Forget Kidd and Felton and Pablo because this is not where we were going.

Shyt happens. Its still a fail.

He broke down is not a valid reason to "good riddance". The poison pill should never been offered because he should have been locked up.

Anything else is a failure. It happens. ALl teams fail. Orlando failed to keep its superstar. Boston Failed because they basically gave away Joe Johnson to PHX. Dallas Failed to evaluate Nash and let him walk so they could sign Dampier. Golden State failed to evaluate Lin's potential. Houston wiffed on him also. Knicks saw it right in front of them. The whole world saw it.

You saw it. Lin was ready to sign for like 5-6 mil and rockets knew we'd match, so the put in the pill. I can't say for sure but you give lin that 5-6 mil a year early enough in the process we keep him.

Im speculating of course. I do know the intended PG for the Knicks, a kid who still needs further developement and work on turnovers is a great prospect still and showed the clutch gene in the hot media spotlight.

We failed.

What team lets a talented prospect get away? Who lets a talented kid even get to the point a team offers a poisen pill? One who does not evaluate properly or makes decisons on emotion.

Since accuracy counts: Lin played 35 games. He started 25. I don't know how many DNPs but knicks are 24 games into the season when The Linsanity started agasint the nets. Think he got his first minutes were at game 17 in Charlotte. I was at that game.

Team is 9-15 when linsanity starts.

So lets say: 66 game season, minus 17, is 51 and he plays 35 of those games before going down. Thats not quite as snarky as "He only played 25 games and we should give him 15mil in one year?"

If we never wanted him thats one thing. KNicks did. Knicks lost him, thus failed.

Maybe its not the end of the world and the team is still going to be good.

Rooting for the team to succeed is one thing. Defending a failure is pointless homerism.

Despite it all, the team fortunes are still strong given the size of the fanbase.

I think a mjor issue with Lin is the Knicks didn't want to overpay and may not have had an idea as to what they wanted to sign him for. Let's not forget that regardelss of the feel good story and 7 amazing games we're talking about a kid with holes in his game and limited action. Just because the Knicks didn't make him an offer doesn't mean that if they did he would be back. For example, Knicks offer 4 years $20 million. The rockers offer 3 years $25 million. Which one does he take? Like most players he'd probably would have gone with the Rockets offer. The only difference is that we could all say that the Knicks tried and he's greedy and didn't want to be here. Nothing more than PR at the end of the day.

If the Knicks truly wanted him back he would be here. They had the option to match the offer and decided that Lin was not worth the money. They wanted him back just not at that price. There is no arguing that point. We can talk about the salary cap, penalties, lil Jimmies hurt feelings until we're blue in the face or face reality and realize that the Knicks decided to go with Ray Felton over Lin. Wether this move is a fail or not remains to be seen. I keep reading over and over again that Lin's celing is high and his turnovers will come down to earth. This remains to be seen as well. At the end of the day Lin is a good player but also a prospect and work in progress.

I wanted Lin back but looking at the big picture I can't hate on the Knicks for this move and don't view it as a failure. People love to point to the 7 games of Linsanity and scream from the rooftops...."Look at his numbers!" Those same people will dismiss the fact that after the Linsanity run his numbers feel off while still under MDA as well as his short time under Woody. Pointing this out makes me a defender of the failure?

We have a 3 year window to win it all and Lin is not going to be the determining factor.

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8/30/2012  12:18 PM
tkf wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Lovers are trying to spin it that Lin didn't want to be here?

Knicks told him to go out and get a number. Rockets gave him a crazy contract. At that moment a franchinse is now telling you your the cornerstone going forward.

Lin will be an allstar with the votes he'll likely get in the same manner Yao Ming got. His stats will inflate on a likley Rocket team this year.

Rockets are looking longer term than this season. Maybe Knicks have devised a way to starphuck CP3 here and Lins contract would block it?

Im sure if he succeeds in Houstan and Felton struggles we'll lament.

Lovers be prepared but really you need not defend Dolan and the knicks. It was a shytty thing to happen.

If the KNicks are as good as some of you are touting then Lin becomes a non issue. If not then eat ESPN ranking crow and enjoy the games.

Being wrong is not the end of the world. GM's and teams do it all the time. Its part of the business.

Best scenario is Lin succeeds as does the knicks.

they did not expect him to change the offer. Noticed how the Knicks said they would match the offer until Lin had it changed because of greed?

so lin took, houstons offer and changed it? how in the world is that possible?

It could not have happened without his consent.

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8/30/2012  12:21 PM
tkf wrote:
infinitilov100 wrote:
tkf wrote:
NUPE wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Antoni inserted Lin because its what Melo wanted

This is what all the Melo-Haters conveniently ignore.

Again, I like Lin but that contract was just ridiculous and any sensible person knows it.

it is ridiculous if you don't understand how it works.. lin would on average make around 6-7 mil per year.. how is that ridiculous....

ah, unless you want to spin this into him making 15 mil in one year as if that is his yearly salary, or better yet, you put he whole luxury tax burden on his deal.. LOL

It is ok tho that carmelo makes 20 mil a year, right? the first round exit wonder.....

Melo has proven himself so don't even go there.

proven playoff loser.. actually the biggest playoff loser in nba history I think.. yea, he has proven himself...

are you ingnorant or what?

Not to beat a dead horse, but...

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