DurzoBlint wrote:

tj23 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

anrst wrote:Felton is a much better defender right (at least he is in NBA 2K) ... if this fits into Woodson's design to focus on D, i like it a lot.

Felton is a better defender than Lin only in the way that Amare is a better defender than David Lee. Neither one is going to be shutting anyone down.

I disagree there, Felton's an above average defender. It's the one thing he consistently does well year in and year out. Exactly how many better defensive pg's are there in your eyes?

Only a Blind mind or a blatant hater would refuse to admit that Felton is the better defender. That or, he became a Knicks fan this past season and knows NOTHING about Felton.

So, you should probably go back and read what I wrote. I agreed that Felton is a better defender; what I'm denying is that he's some sort of great defensive player. He's OK but not as good as a lot of people here are trying to say. Who exactly did he shut down when he was here and playing the best basketball of his life? Also, you can actually see when I joined: March 2007.

ChuckBuck wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

Syniko wrote:Letting Lin walk is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Not only does Lin brings extra crazy money to the MSG, he's also a really good PG.

Whatever, send him to Houston. I want to see him tear Knicks apart. You know he's going to amp up his game whenever Houston comes to MSG or vice versa.

It's all about going out for blood now. ``

This. This video is why the Knicks should not match that "ridiculous" contract. Not saying we shouldn't match, but basketball wise it'd be stupid to pay him more than a Rajon Rondo. This is also the same reason, Lin sat out the Miami series, so it wouldn't hurt his stock value.

Rondo salary for next 3yr $36M

Lin salary for next 3yr $25M

How is Lin making "Rondo money" again?

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Salary math.

Rondo salary for next 3yr $36M

Lin salary for next 3yr $25M

How is Lin making "Rondo money" again?

In year 3 of both deals Lin would make over $14 million whereas Rondo will be making $13 million. It's not about the total that Lin is getting it's about the $14 mil in year 3.

If Lin is a bad deal in year 3, which he might not be, he is a bargain in years 1 and 2.

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Salary math.

Rondo salary for next 3yr $36M

Lin salary for next 3yr $25M

How is Lin making "Rondo money" again?

In year 3 of both deals Lin would make over $14 million whereas Rondo will be making $13 million. It's not about the total that Lin is getting it's about the $14 mil in year 3.

If Lin is a bad deal in year 3, which he might not be, he is a bargain in years 1 and 2.

Yes - true.

But what does that have to do with year 3's tax burden?

If the Knicks are "all in" "going for it" "in win now mode" what does anything have to do with year 3 tax burden.

trade amar'e sometime over the next three years and there will be no tax burden at all.

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Salary math.

Rondo salary for next 3yr $36M

Lin salary for next 3yr $25M

How is Lin making "Rondo money" again?

In year 3 of both deals Lin would make over $14 million whereas Rondo will be making $13 million. It's not about the total that Lin is getting it's about the $14 mil in year 3.

If Lin is a bad deal in year 3, which he might not be, he is a bargain in years 1 and 2.

Yes - true.

But what does that have to do with year 3's tax burden?

If the Knicks are "all in" "going for it" "in win now mode" what does anything have to do with year 3 tax burden.

trade amar'e sometime over the next three years and there will be no tax burden at all.

The Knicks are all in and going for it now which is why they traded for a guy who we know can play here and is pretty much a lock to give us 13 and 6 every night. A guy who has been running point in the league for 7 years.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:Letting Lin walk is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Not only does Lin brings extra crazy money to the MSG, he's also a really good PG.

Whatever, send him to Houston. I want to see him tear Knicks apart. You know he's going to amp up his game whenever Houston comes to MSG or vice versa.

It's all about going out for blood now. ``

Good Point Guard but, not worth Rondo money. Knicks are already hand-cuffed with the Melo, Amare and Tyson. Management is already going to have to be very, very creative to makes moves as it is going forward. Add that poisonous contract and you only make matters much, much worse.

People complain that IT handed out bloated contracts and eliminated all flexibility and here a shyt load of you guys are hollering for the same thing. Make up your minds.

This man love for Lin is simply embarrassing.

Yo Durzo and Chuckbuck. I get that all the Lin fanboys that suddenly joined this board have annoyed a lot of people. Its crazy for people to act like this is worse than drafting Marvin Williams over Chris Paul but I just wanted to point out a few facts (yes facts) for y'all to think about:

- We're not talking about paying Lin $15M per season. $25 over 3 is $8.3M per season. That's about what someone like Thaddeus Young makes.

- Signing Lin doesn't hurt our flexibility. Mainly because we have none anyway. I could write something really really long on this but there's been mad articles posted on the UK page by people who seriously looked in the CBA and all that crap. If you wanna get into it I'd be happy to but those people explained it better than I can.

- Boston had Rondo's entire rookie contract to decide whether he was worth it. Y'all sound like you know the league so y'all MUST remember when people were talkin' noise about Oh the C's can't win with Rondo at point. He can't shoot. etc...

-The kid put up 38 in a win against the Lake Show playing with Bill Walker and Jared Jefferies. The W is more impressive than the 38 points. You could say playing with scrubs a lot of guys in this league can put up #s. But to do it against the Lake Show and get a W when Kobe is at MSG is a little exciting right?

Now just some opinion on my part:

- This is NOTHING like when Isiah signed Jerome James, Curry, Jared Jefferies etc. All 3 of those cats already had time in the league. Every smart GM in the league knew what they were about. Those moves were crazy because we overpaid when we were bidding against NO ONE. Curry had a freakin heart condition! James played hard for lik 5 games in the playoffs after being a lazy fat sht his entire career with Seattle.

- We KNOW the Knicks said they'd match anything. Even Woody was talking about how great it would be to have Kidd mentor Lin.

What changed?

Lin went and got more $ from Houston. Was that right or wrong? I dunno it seemed to violate the normal way these things are done.

- James Dolan is a douchebag. He's willing to spend $ but he does crazy stupid things because he's a rich brat. I think we can agree on this.

If Lin doesn't get resigned it won't be a basketball decision. And I think we can all agree that the Knicks make plenty of decisions about players that ARE NOT about basketball.

Allan Houston got maxed out because he was a good Knicks and Dolan liked him.
Spree and Camby got shipped out because they pissed Dolan off (and Camby was getting hurt all the time)
Lin is not getting resigned because Dolan sees him (maybe rightfully so???) as Disloyal

Also a fact:

$15 M in year 3 has a pretty high chance of being ridiculous but..

how can y'all not have love for a rookie who did what he did? contract aside.

i mean..do y'all just not like the guy? I get disturbed by grown ass men being on any athlete's nuts that hard so I feel you but I don't understand any Knicks fan who's like "yeah good riddance" esp. when it's just a pissing match with Dolan..who we all HATE.

good post.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Syniko wrote:Letting Lin walk is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. Not only does Lin brings extra crazy money to the MSG, he's also a really good PG.

Whatever, send him to Houston. I want to see him tear Knicks apart. You know he's going to amp up his game whenever Houston comes to MSG or vice versa.

It's all about going out for blood now. ``

Good Point Guard but, not worth Rondo money. Knicks are already hand-cuffed with the Melo, Amare and Tyson. Management is already going to have to be very, very creative to makes moves as it is going forward. Add that poisonous contract and you only make matters much, much worse.

People complain that IT handed out bloated contracts and eliminated all flexibility and here a shyt load of you guys are hollering for the same thing. Make up your minds.

This man love for Lin is simply embarrassing.

Yo Durzo and Chuckbuck. I get that all the Lin fanboys that suddenly joined this board have annoyed a lot of people. Its crazy for people to act like this is worse than drafting Marvin Williams over Chris Paul but I just wanted to point out a few facts (yes facts) for y'all to think about:

- We're not talking about paying Lin $15M per season. $25 over 3 is $8.3M per season. That's about what someone like Thaddeus Young makes.

- Signing Lin doesn't hurt our flexibility. Mainly because we have none anyway. I could write something really really long on this but there's been mad articles posted on the UK page by people who seriously looked in the CBA and all that crap. If you wanna get into it I'd be happy to but those people explained it better than I can.

- Boston had Rondo's entire rookie contract to decide whether he was worth it. Y'all sound like you know the league so y'all MUST remember when people were talkin' noise about Oh the C's can't win with Rondo at point. He can't shoot. etc...

-The kid put up 38 in a win against the Lake Show playing with Bill Walker and Jared Jefferies. The W is more impressive than the 38 points. You could say playing with scrubs a lot of guys in this league can put up #s. But to do it against the Lake Show and get a W when Kobe is at MSG is a little exciting right?

Now just some opinion on my part:

- This is NOTHING like when Isiah signed Jerome James, Curry, Jared Jefferies etc. All 3 of those cats already had time in the league. Every smart GM in the league knew what they were about. Those moves were crazy because we overpaid when we were bidding against NO ONE. Curry had a freakin heart condition! James played hard for lik 5 games in the playoffs after being a lazy fat sht his entire career with Seattle.

- We KNOW the Knicks said they'd match anything. Even Woody was talking about how great it would be to have Kidd mentor Lin.

What changed?

Lin went and got more $ from Houston. Was that right or wrong? I dunno it seemed to violate the normal way these things are done.

- James Dolan is a douchebag. He's willing to spend $ but he does crazy stupid things because he's a rich brat. I think we can agree on this.

If Lin doesn't get resigned it won't be a basketball decision. And I think we can all agree that the Knicks make plenty of decisions about players that ARE NOT about basketball.

Allan Houston got maxed out because he was a good Knicks and Dolan liked him.
Spree and Camby got shipped out because they pissed Dolan off (and Camby was getting hurt all the time)
Lin is not getting resigned because Dolan sees him (maybe rightfully so???) as Disloyal

Also a fact:

$15 M in year 3 has a pretty high chance of being ridiculous but..

how can y'all not have love for a rookie who did what he did? contract aside.

i mean..do y'all just not like the guy? I get disturbed by grown ass men being on any athlete's nuts that hard so I feel you but I don't understand any Knicks fan who's like "yeah good riddance" esp. when it's just a pissing match with Dolan..who we all HATE.

Personally I want Lin back but I can understand if the Knicks don't match. Felton is more than capable of running point and as of right now I don't see the Knicks matching. I have love for the kid and will wish him well in Houston if/when the Knicks don't match. I don't think anyone on this board will be happy to see Lin go but life goes on. Then again should Lin wind up in Houston this will be discussed daily for the forseeable future.

ChuckBuck wrote:The problem isn't with Lin seeking money from Houston. It's that Lin says he wanted to be back in NY, NY said they wanted to resign Lin, and then he goes backdoor on the reneg'ed offer, which the Knicks were in the dark on. The $15mill in the 3rd year is crippling to any capped out team, why did he have to reneg on the original $24 mill offer that the Knicks were ready to match?

Yeah def. agree with you that the issue here is that restricted free agency is supposed to go like this:

Knicks: Hey Lin, go out and see what the market offers you. (Smart business decision AND it lets Lin get paid more than what the Knicks could have offered in the 1st place)

Lin: So uhhh..Houston offered $X

Knicks: Ok. No problem. We love you. We'll match.

But Lin added this extra step:

Lin: Hey uhhh so I know I told you it was gonna be $X but SURPISE it's a lot more!

I have no idea what happened exactly or why that happened but it's pretty clear that Dolan is pissed and he's lashing out. I imagine him being like "F- that guy. GO get Felton Grunny. Do it! I'll show him and Morey!"

Year 3 is gonna be crippling from a luxury tax point of view BUT unless I'm mistaken that 3rd year won't be crippling to our cap flexibility. Again I spent an embarrassing amount of time learning about the new CBA and I'm still confused about so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that because we're already over all kinds of $s the only move we'll be able to make for the next 3 years is using the mini mid level.

In fact the only reason we can sign Lin is because we won the Bird Rights case. If he was just a regular unrestricted FA he'd be gone because we just don't have any $.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:The problem isn't with Lin seeking money from Houston. It's that Lin says he wanted to be back in NY, NY said they wanted to resign Lin, and then he goes backdoor on the reneg'ed offer, which the Knicks were in the dark on. The $15mill in the 3rd year is crippling to any capped out team, why did he have to reneg on the original $24 mill offer that the Knicks were ready to match?

Yeah def. agree with you that the issue here is that restricted free agency is supposed to go like this:

Knicks: Hey Lin, go out and see what the market offers you. (Smart business decision AND it lets Lin get paid more than what the Knicks could have offered in the 1st place)

Lin: So uhhh..Houston offered $X

Knicks: Ok. No problem. We love you. We'll match.

But Lin added this extra step:

Lin: Hey uhhh so I know I told you it was gonna be $X but SURPISE it's a lot more!

I have no idea what happened exactly or why that happened but it's pretty clear that Dolan is pissed and he's lashing out. I imagine him being like "F- that guy. GO get Felton Grunny. Do it! I'll show him and Morey!"

Year 3 is gonna be crippling from a luxury tax point of view BUT unless I'm mistaken that 3rd year won't be crippling to our cap flexibility. Again I spent an embarrassing amount of time learning about the new CBA and I'm still confused about so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that because we're already over all kinds of $s the only move we'll be able to make for the next 3 years is using the mini mid level.

In fact the only reason we can sign Lin is because we won the Bird Rights case. If he was just a regular unrestricted FA he'd be gone because we just don't have any $.

I'll have to read up on if we get the full MLE or just mini, but either way I think the original deal (4 yrs, $28mill with 4th year team option) gets insta-signed by Knicks if Lin has his old original agent. Shouldn't have got to this point, Novak and JR negotiations were merely a blip on the radar, easy peezy, you're resigned! Lin is at more fault than Knicks.