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Paladin55
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7/9/2012  10:59 AM
Nalod wrote:I have to think we are a top 4 in the East.

Otherwise how can I go on?

There is a rumor, as the Nyets move inexorably toward getting Howard, that Martin and Andrew are going to set up a counseling forum, designed specifically to deal posters experiencing depression and self-esteem issues.

There is hope.

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7/9/2012  11:12 AM
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Its about clarity than blind faith or "homerism".

I also told some of you to not discount the russian long before he even got Deron as he is not a man who is stupid. I also thought the Move to Brooklyn would be brilliant! They have yet to play a game and we don't know the ad rates or attendance yet, but I think they are going to do quite well.

I read up on his business acumen and how he built his empire. He is not a man to be taken lightly.

Not that all russians are chess players, or good business men, or americans are short sighted but the stark contrast of Dolan vs Prokhorov is a clear study. The Russian wanted Melo but if he could not get him he got his rival to overpay.

That sucks for Knicks but I also love the game of business and the Russian schooled Dolan and made him look stupid (as if he needed help!)

Im here on the UK and have yet to post on the U.N. or other Net site.

Nets are earning my respect. Knicks have been more of a "Drama" to watch unfold than a sports team.

Lets see how it all unfolds over the next 5 years.

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7/9/2012  11:23 AM
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

I would expect that Nalod is just trying to be provocative.

I rooted for the Nets in my youth. I was born in Nassau County, and the Nets were created around the time I began to look at pro hoops as a fan for the first time.

I remember Barry, Dr. J, Kenon, Paultz, Taylor, Super John, Skinner, Ladner, and others. I rooted for these guys, at the same time I was rooting for the Knicks. I suppose that different leagues made it easy to shift back and forth as a fan, but I always had an eye on the Nets when they were in the NBA. However, this doesn't mean that I don't root for the Knicks when the two teams play, or that I enjoyed the success of the two Nets finalist teams as much as I enjoyed the two failed attempts by the Knicks in the finals during the 90's, or the two titles I got to see them win as a fan 40 or so years ago.

If the Nyets pull this off, and Howard comes back at 100%, they are going to be a very good team, and there is a very good chance that they will be as good or better than the Knicks at this point. Don't know if they can beat the Heat, but who knows.

Just something people around here are going to have to live with, and speculation about whether or not Knicks management went about rebuilding in the right way, will be a continual topic of discussion if the Nyets' master plan is completed in the next few days.

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7/9/2012  11:43 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Which is a consequence of the Knicks' lack of winning. Do you see the connection now?

Read Nalod's other posts. He has Nets historay, wistful memories of Dr. J, Brooklyn old school cachet, yadda yadda water in the bidet (it had to rhyme). Do you see the disconnect from the Knicks record now? Or maybe you're so loaded with Knickshate that you refuse to see?

And should I entertain your line of reasoning, the Nets have exactly what in direct comparison to the Knicks lack of winning?

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7/9/2012  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  11:55 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Which is a consequence of the Knicks' lack of winning. Do you see the connection now?

Read Nalod's other posts. He has Nets historay, wistful memories of Dr. J, Brooklyn old school cachet, yadda yadda water in the bidet (it had to rhyme). Do you see the disconnect from the Knicks record now? Or maybe you're so loaded with Knickshate that you refuse to see?


Actually no. The Knicks were terrible all this time and many dream about at least some team in NY winning. How is that a disconnect from the Knicks' record?
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7/9/2012  12:02 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Which is a consequence of the Knicks' lack of winning. Do you see the connection now?

Read Nalod's other posts. He has Nets historay, wistful memories of Dr. J, Brooklyn old school cachet, yadda yadda water in the bidet (it had to rhyme). Do you see the disconnect from the Knicks record now? Or maybe you're so loaded with Knickshate that you refuse to see?


Actually no. The Knicks were terrible all this time and many dream about at least some team in NY winning. How is that a disconnect from the Knicks' record?

Nice edit, Bonn. Fairly weak move, but please, I hereby acknowledge your insanely well-developed precognitive skills in the w/l category, and obviously the Knicks just sucked in the past, they suck now, and they will continue to suck forever.

Okay, Nalod thinks the Knicks suck, and the Nets, who were on track to set records for loserdom, are a much better fan experience in comparison, bolstered by your separated at birth twin abilities at guessing wins. I give up.

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7/9/2012  12:50 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Its about clarity than blind faith or "homerism".

I also told some of you to not discount the russian long before he even got Deron as he is not a man who is stupid. I also thought the Move to Brooklyn would be brilliant! They have yet to play a game and we don't know the ad rates or attendance yet, but I think they are going to do quite well.

I read up on his business acumen and how he built his empire. He is not a man to be taken lightly.

Not that all russians are chess players, or good business men, or americans are short sighted but the stark contrast of Dolan vs Prokhorov is a clear study. The Russian wanted Melo but if he could not get him he got his rival to overpay.

That sucks for Knicks but I also love the game of business and the Russian schooled Dolan and made him look stupid (as if he needed help!)

Im here on the UK and have yet to post on the U.N. or other Net site.

Nets are earning my respect. Knicks have been more of a "Drama" to watch unfold than a sports team.

Lets see how it all unfolds over the next 5 years.

*Join the Dark Side*, Young Jedi... I think The Knick's are the dark clouds LOL

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7/9/2012  12:50 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I was making a point about Nalod's stated possible split devotion between the Knicks and Nyets.

Its about clarity than blind faith or "homerism".

I also told some of you to not discount the russian long before he even got Deron as he is not a man who is stupid. I also thought the Move to Brooklyn would be brilliant! They have yet to play a game and we don't know the ad rates or attendance yet, but I think they are going to do quite well.

I read up on his business acumen and how he built his empire. He is not a man to be taken lightly.

Not that all russians are chess players, or good business men, or americans are short sighted but the stark contrast of Dolan vs Prokhorov is a clear study. The Russian wanted Melo but if he could not get him he got his rival to overpay.

That sucks for Knicks but I also love the game of business and the Russian schooled Dolan and made him look stupid (as if he needed help!)

Im here on the UK and have yet to post on the U.N. or other Net site.

Nets are earning my respect. Knicks have been more of a "Drama" to watch unfold than a sports team.

Lets see how it all unfolds over the next 5 years.

*Join the Dark Side*, Young Jedi... I think The Knick's are the dark clouds LOL

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7/9/2012  2:18 PM
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RonRon wrote:1) Heat *Jesus with All Star treatment, they continue to add great role players, not finished, even Justin Hamilton could be big for them*

2) Nets *If they add Dwight Howard, it would be sick*

3) Bulls *Rose's injury doesn't even look nearly as bad as Imans, but Jeff Teague is a nice substitute for the time being with 1 more year of John Lucas 3rd. I think Omar Osik is worth that money, Gibson and Omar are sick together. Amnesty Boozer, in the future, with Gibson taking over his spot.

4) Boston *one year older but have added some nice young pieces and depends on Jeff Green's health*

5) Bucks *looks like they resign Ilyasova, they are deadly if so*

6) Washington *I think they added some nice pieces, with Ariza, Ok4, and Beal, they were MUCH better after adding Nene and playing Serephan late last year.

7) Knicks Let's see how we fill out our roster....

8) Pacers I don't think George Hill is a legit starting PG, not a facilitator. Collison is their best PG, George Hill is a great 6th man. If they don't match Hibbert, I expect them to go after Kaman with possibly Philly.

9) Philly *depending on who they acquire*

10) Toronto adding Lowry for a bag of chips and if they add their Euro Big man, would be interesting team with good depth.

11) Cavs *don't discount them out, Varajo was out for them basically the entire year, and they added some nice pieces as well, with cap room, Hump could be solid*

These are 10-11 legit teams that will be fighting for the higher seed, that we cannot predict, but I think they all have a legit shot to give us a good fight...
I think even Bobcats could be much improved but I think they are looking to tank another year or 2, to collect assets/ping pong balls.
Next year's draft is suppose to be deep with centers, so they would be looking for one next to compliment Biyombo.
I thought Drummond would have been a great fit with Biyombo...

You are a fan of masochism, right?

First, its too freaking early to say anything when many of the rumored deals haven't happened (how many "imminent deals haven't happened before in the NBA, huh?).

Second, its so evident you are more interested in feeding your pessimism with any sign of bad weather for NY (Nets at #2 with Dwight as WHO CARES ABOUT CHEMISTRY?; Rose's injury worse than Iman, and how's so MD?; Bucks resign Ilyasova and suddenly are better than us?; Washington... How?; and while we are at it, how are we better than the Pacers?)

That is some seriously messed up panorama, but if it makes you sleep better at night knowing your beloved team has such an uninspiring future, suit yourself.

Why are you guys treating me like I am an analyst?
Anyone can rise, as well as fall.
The East has improved much, you guys aren't giving some of these teams credit.
I am a Knick fan but this is a poorly constructed team, they have to prove to us what they can do vs ELITE/Good teams consistently.

If you read it carefully, I say

These are 10-11 legit teams that will be fighting for the higher seed, that we cannot predict, but I think they all have a legit shot to give us a good fight...

I also said, TEAMS ARE NOT FINISHED YET, but we don't have much ability to improve, while other teams still do.
Point of the post was to point out, although Atlanta/Orlando have dropped off as being playoff contenders, The East has improved much.
Do you see how Lebron/Wade, Barkley, Steph A Smith, and many analyst consistently diss us?

We possibly add 2 40 year olds, maybe 3 with Pablo, and we don't have any SGs on our lineup.
Did we really get that much better?
Many over estimate our beloved Knicks and under rate some teams on the list.

I think it is going to be tough, I am saying, I think we are TOP 4 at best.
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There are many teams that are right there with us, regardless of who is better, or who finishes with the better record.
Okay, anyone feel these teams are NOT in the playoff hunt?

Cav's are probably the worst team on the list, but they didn't have Varejo last year *barely*
If they add Marshon Brooks/Humphries, with the improvement of Irving, they can be a good team, not sure how Dion Waiters would it though.
I give a lot of credit to Iman Shumpert, which he will not be ready/healthy till LATE in the year.

Washington was playing very well last year when Nene arrived and played, with Serephan looking like a young Dalembert.
They added 3 maybe 4 players with the Euro Guard, with Bradly Beal, OK4, and Ariza.
Will they, I DONT KNOW, its my opinion.
They had talent last year too, they just didn't mesh.

Bucks if they resign Ilysasova, which according to rumors, they will, and have added some nice pieces with the draft and the trade.
They were on fire last year, before and after the All Star break, and had trouble towards the end with Monta Ellis finding his role on the team.
They had 0 shot blocker's last year till Edoh went over from the Bogut trade.
Edoh/Dalembert, with Ilyasova, and the length with Dunleavey and speed/quickness of Monta/Jennings, makes while adding some nice players with both their picks.
They get another good SG, in Lamb, and they have a nice versatile lineup, they are one of the deepest teams in the East.

Toronto adds Lowry for NOTHING. They already have players that spread the floor, adding a PG of Lowry's caliber with the signing of that other Euro Big, gives them a very deep roster.
Bargaini can play as a 3rd option now and he was injured much of last year too.

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7/9/2012  2:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  2:30 PM

Many of these teams improved in the East, while we still have to find an identity and execute a philosophy/system.
We have trouble retaining our core *role players8 and NO ONE is guaranteed, to return.
We do not have much abilities to improve our roster with our cap situation, if JR and Novak walk.
The teams above, are on par on paper with our roster, or at least not much off difference in terms of talent on their roster.
Many of them have an identity to begin with, with their roster.

I think our #1 priority is to resign JR Smith right now and find some cheap options, with undrafted players as cheap options.
My opinion on the Knicks, I don't want to rate them by how far they go in the playoffs.
I want to rate them on how they can establish themselves with an identity, philosophy, ball movement, player's movement, and intensity on both ends.
IF they can improve DEFENSIVELY *without Iman* and having 2-3 cohesive lineups, that can change their style of play.
Most of dimensional players, I think we need to rotate, and utilize different lineups with different styles of play, with our 2nd/3rd units.
We are much too predictable, with no identity/system, this season, it has to change if we are going to be legit contenders.

To be a Championship Contender, we must be a good defensive team, and a good offensive team, I hope we run more *option plays* and utilize picks/player movement.
Majority of good teams today, play with 4 shooters that can hit the 3ball, with 2 good penetration/facilitators, 2 post option players, and 2 shot blockers.

Kidd is still an elite passer, he would be able to get us easy points, and push the tempo.
At his age, it would be tough for him to defend Joe Johnson/Deron, Wade/Ray Allen, *Heat can go big this year with Wade/Ray Allen as their smallest players.
Having him as another leader/coach would probably be more significant than his actual playing time.

It is great that we got spanked last year by the Heat, with the way Wade/Lebron dissed us.
The way Amare, got crapped on, and Tyson Chandler as well.
This will all be used as fuel, to take this season seriously, and Amare has taken it personal.
With the attack from the Twitter Knick fan, he is training with Hakeem.
He was not happy last year with his performance, lets give him 1 more year, since he was unable to practice last year.
Also, he bulked up a bit, thinking he was going to play Center, and he loss some of his abilities/finesse to play PF.

With the Olympics, it helps Melo/Chandler stay in shape and create a greater bond, as they probably are the 2 most important players this season.
I hope Chandler develops some offensive game and can utilized more as an option, especially with Kidd's ability to throw alley hoops.
Melo looks better and maybe he might learn how to play more team ball, with Team USA.
He said he wants to learn how to move off the ball and I hope he succeeds.
In a sense, they both gets an early start to develop some skills and start start training earlier.
Learning to play TEAM ball and how to get his team mates better quality shots, should be Melo's priority.
It is great he can study under his buddies, Lebron, Cp3, Deron, and another team mate with Andre Igoudala.
Hopefully Dantoni can teach him some things and Melo will take his EGO away.
Respond and execute, taking constructive criticism and shutting the analyst and Melo haters up. *me included, not really a MELO hater but hated the trade*

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7/10/2012  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2012  1:05 PM
Ric Bucher Magic re-open negotiations with other teams baby! It ain't over til it's over!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8147719/orlando-magic-exploring-other-dwight-howard-trades-source-says

John Schuhmann Net's ruining out of time

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/10/hawks-still-in-play-on-howard/

I want to see the Gerald Wallace trade go down as the disaster that kept the Nets from building a sure fire championship contender. Enjoy thre 5-8 seed. Kinda sucks being there. Ask Atlanta!

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7/10/2012  1:03 PM
Still see him landing in LA
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7/17/2012  1:58 PM
knickslions wrote:Still see him landing in LA

I dont know. There is a chance this whole thing is being orchestrated to get the Nets to take back max salary which can only be done Jan 15. With the Kris Humphries contract details that came out today it is now looking more and more likely.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/47923/to-make-sense-of-nets-deal-look-south

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7/17/2012  2:12 PM
If we had dished out the contracts and taken on the salary that the Nets have, writers would be tearing us to shreds. But the nets trade for JJ's nightmare 4yr contract, sign Lopez to the max, sign Wallace to $40mil over 4yrs and the Kardashian to $24 mil over 2, and I bet they say they've made great moves over the summer.

$24 mil over 2 yrs for Kardashian ?! Makes Lins contract look good!

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7/17/2012  2:16 PM
Exactly i dont think the nets are worried about a luxury tax yet dolan is???
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7/17/2012  2:20 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly i dont think the nets are worried about a luxury tax yet dolan is???

Why would the Nets worry? Proko is worth over $17 Billion.

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7/17/2012  2:20 PM
smackeddog wrote:If we had dished out the contracts and taken on the salary that the Nets have, writers would be tearing us to shreds. But the nets trade for JJ's nightmare 4yr contract, sign Lopez to the max, sign Wallace to $40mil over 4yrs and the Kardashian to $24 mil over 2, and I bet they say they've made great moves over the summer.

$24 mil over 2 yrs for Kardashian ?! Makes Lins contract look good!

a Short large contract may not be a bad thing if u can trade it for a player . These contracts by themselves are just terrible

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7/17/2012  2:29 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
smackeddog wrote:If we had dished out the contracts and taken on the salary that the Nets have, writers would be tearing us to shreds. But the nets trade for JJ's nightmare 4yr contract, sign Lopez to the max, sign Wallace to $40mil over 4yrs and the Kardashian to $24 mil over 2, and I bet they say they've made great moves over the summer.

$24 mil over 2 yrs for Kardashian ?! Makes Lins contract look good!

a Short large contract may not be a bad thing if u can trade it for a player . These contracts by themselves are just terrible

I wonder if that will be the legacy of this CBA- much higher, ridiculous contracts but shorter in length.

Hahahahahaha Nets are finished

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