muhaha wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Welcome to the forum. We need more people who aren't drinking Koolaid. Just a warning: You will be repeatedly told that you hate the Knicks.

I love knicks but hate Dolan with a passion!

muhaha wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:And even if they don’t win the series against the Lakers, after last night, THERE IS NO QUESTION that they have had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more success than us since the trade.
But what do they know? After all, they are just a bunch of ROLE PLAYERS RIGHT?

The Nuggies are at best an average team who will NEVER win a championship. As yourself who has a better chance at winning a championship. It's the Knicks and it's not even close. Wake up.

You are kidding right?

Nuggets have the LOWEST salary cap among all the playoff teams this year. 12 Nuggets are under contracts next year for a total of 42 millions. Last year, they signed Faried and Hamilton for 5 years at about 2 millions/year each. Gallo, 5 years for 45 millions. Lawson for the next 2 years at 3 mils/year. Afflalo, 5 year contract too at 38 millions. Lawson Faried are their young stars. They have their core players set for years to come and they can ADD WHOEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP RUNS!

Knicks have 3 years left with their core players in Tyson, Melo and Stat. They are capped out for the next 3 years. Don't expect quality players in the Knicks roster without trading one of the big 3. Knicks already traded many of their future draft picks. They have to win with what they have. After the series with Heat, the future looks very bleak for Knicks!

You aren't counting Wilson Chandler contract that is not listed on Hoops Hype which takes it over 50 mil, They are redoing McGee's contract this year and Ty Lawson will get paid next year...Maybe the let Miller walk this year, Fernandez and Corey Brewer next...How rosy is that picture???

holfresh wrote:

muhaha wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:And even if they don’t win the series against the Lakers, after last night, THERE IS NO QUESTION that they have had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more success than us since the trade.
But what do they know? After all, they are just a bunch of ROLE PLAYERS RIGHT?

The Nuggies are at best an average team who will NEVER win a championship. As yourself who has a better chance at winning a championship. It's the Knicks and it's not even close. Wake up.

You are kidding right?

Nuggets have the LOWEST salary cap among all the playoff teams this year. 12 Nuggets are under contracts next year for a total of 42 millions. Last year, they signed Faried and Hamilton for 5 years at about 2 millions/year each. Gallo, 5 years for 45 millions. Lawson for the next 2 years at 3 mils/year. Afflalo, 5 year contract too at 38 millions. Lawson Faried are their young stars. They have their core players set for years to come and they can ADD WHOEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP RUNS!

Knicks have 3 years left with their core players in Tyson, Melo and Stat. They are capped out for the next 3 years. Don't expect quality players in the Knicks roster without trading one of the big 3. Knicks already traded many of their future draft picks. They have to win with what they have. After the series with Heat, the future looks very bleak for Knicks!

You aren't counting Wilson Chandler contract that is not listed on Hoops Hype which takes it over 50 mil, They are redoing McGee's contract this year and Ty Lawson will get paid next year...Maybe the let Miller walk this year, Fernandez and Corey Brewer next...How rosy is that picture???

With Chandler's 4-year 37 mil contract, they have 13 players signed for 51 mil. I expect McGee's to get 7 mil/ year, and that takes it to 55 mil--still under cap and well below apron.

Now they can retain core players in Lawson, Faried, McGee, Chandler, and package other players (Gallo included):
- for future drafts
- for one or two key players to make serious runs AND readjust their roster accordingly!

Three of their core players, Chandler, Faried, McGee COST LESS than Stat (or Melo).

Just imagine that! 55 mil for 13 players and our big 3 in Tyson, Stat and Melo take 53 mil! After Lin's MLE at 5 mil, Knicks do not have the luxury to acquire quality players.

By comparing Knicks and Nuggets near future and probability of winning a championship is clearly on Nuggets side. Anything otherwise is purely stubborn in thinking.

muhaha wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:And even if they don’t win the series against the Lakers, after last night, THERE IS NO QUESTION that they have had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more success than us since the trade.
But what do they know? After all, they are just a bunch of ROLE PLAYERS RIGHT?

The Nuggies are at best an average team who will NEVER win a championship. As yourself who has a better chance at winning a championship. It's the Knicks and it's not even close. Wake up.

You are kidding right?

Nuggets have the LOWEST salary cap among all the playoff teams this year. 12 Nuggets are under contracts next year for a total of 42 millions. Last year, they signed Faried and Hamilton for 5 years at about 2 millions/year each. Gallo, 5 years for 45 millions. Lawson for the next 2 years at 3 mils/year. Afflalo, 5 year contract too at 38 millions. Lawson Faried are their young stars. They have their core players set for years to come and they can ADD WHOEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP RUNS!

Knicks have 3 years left with their core players in Tyson, Melo and Stat. They are capped out for the next 3 years. Don't expect quality players in the Knicks roster without trading one of the big 3. Knicks already traded many of their future draft picks. They have to win with what they have. After the series with Heat, the future looks very bleak for Knicks!

Nalod wrote:Brewer and Fernandez can walk next year????

OH KNOW! THEY ARE PHUCKED!!!!!!!!

And Andre Miller and like us, if their PG goes down yes, they are PHUCKED!!!!

raven wrote:

holfresh wrote:

muhaha wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:And even if they don’t win the series against the Lakers, after last night, THERE IS NO QUESTION that they have had WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more success than us since the trade.
But what do they know? After all, they are just a bunch of ROLE PLAYERS RIGHT?

The Nuggies are at best an average team who will NEVER win a championship. As yourself who has a better chance at winning a championship. It's the Knicks and it's not even close. Wake up.

You are kidding right?

Nuggets have the LOWEST salary cap among all the playoff teams this year. 12 Nuggets are under contracts next year for a total of 42 millions. Last year, they signed Faried and Hamilton for 5 years at about 2 millions/year each. Gallo, 5 years for 45 millions. Lawson for the next 2 years at 3 mils/year. Afflalo, 5 year contract too at 38 millions. Lawson Faried are their young stars. They have their core players set for years to come and they can ADD WHOEVER THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP RUNS!

Knicks have 3 years left with their core players in Tyson, Melo and Stat. They are capped out for the next 3 years. Don't expect quality players in the Knicks roster without trading one of the big 3. Knicks already traded many of their future draft picks. They have to win with what they have. After the series with Heat, the future looks very bleak for Knicks!

You aren't counting Wilson Chandler contract that is not listed on Hoops Hype which takes it over 50 mil, They are redoing McGee's contract this year and Ty Lawson will get paid next year...Maybe the let Miller walk this year, Fernandez and Corey Brewer next...How rosy is that picture???

Watching the progress of McGee in less than 20 games, I'd say I'm pretty confident Mc Gee + Faried combo will be a fearsome duo for years to come... Chandler is a versatile 6th man and his contract is very manageable if you need to trade him. Lawson has all the tools to be a star, AAA is a young 2 ways players with good upside. The biggest question mark is Gallinari at that point, who touched greatness in one game to be invisible the following one.

Don't forget that Denver had a very promising start before being decimated by injuries (they had the second highest number of different starting 5 this year), and they still made the playoffs even after having traded Nene.

That picture is rosy enough in my book.

Heard there is talk of packaging Gallo(who touched greatness), Moz, and a first rounder for a closer...Our closer isn't available...Question is will u still watch beyond 20 games if they make that trade...Not many closers out there u know...

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brewer and Fernandez can walk next year????

OH KNOW! THEY ARE PHUCKED!!!!!!!!

And Andre Miller and like us, if their PG goes down yes, they are PHUCKED!!!!

Can't they draft one? Trade? Sign free agents?

Andre Miller never breaks!

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Brewer and Fernandez can walk next year????

OH KNOW! THEY ARE PHUCKED!!!!!!!!

And Andre Miller and like us, if their PG goes down yes, they are PHUCKED!!!!

Yeah but they're not dumb enough to go into the season planning for Toney Douglas to be the full time PG with Baron Davis and Mike Bibby as the backups.

Some teams plan ahead. They groomed Lawson while they had Billups. They respected Feltons vision of not thinking he was a back up and traded him to a situation he could get an opportunity to start in. They received good value in Miller who is very durable (never misses games) and has been a great addition.

Im not slamming the knicks here but lets be real, when you are in "WIN NOW" mode you have to get what you can and the Knicks were not able to solve the PG deficiency at the seasons start. Baron Davis on paper was a great Idea and it sure jacked up the fans. He was far worse that I was expecting regarding his conditioning and his back. But we were all told he'd be out for "Weeks" but many thought it was a smoke screen so he could get out of Cleveland gracefully. We did get Lin.

When you look at teams over the years many rebuildings do fail. Some require luck and others patient. IN recent years we have seen joke franchises like the Clippers, Hawks and Memphis come together. The Wolves who seemingly drafted every point guard did get Rubio and he was better than he was in europe to many's surprise. Love is a top flight talent and they are positioned to nice going forward.

Denver is taking a multi year approach to rebuilding. INstead of getting rid of its coach who was in poor health they decided to retool and use Melo as an asset to do so. They can get bounced out of playoffs with him and perhaps without him they can for a while. Its their choice.

"Win Now" has its upside but we all know the risks.

All in all it seems the Spurs have done an amazing job getting the right people around Duncan without the perils of "win now". They don't do it every year and they have had their share of disappointment but they don't get the media slam they do in NY, or maybe the fans don't buy into it if they did. The franchise is to be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

The Knicks have not earned that respect.

It starts at the top and works its way down.

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks are in "win now" mode except they've never been able to get the "win" part down.