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3/21/2012  11:20 PM
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mrKnickShot wrote:The truth is - as much as you hate though can't admit it :-(:

We cut out the malignant tumor (MDA) and now we are humming so beautifully - enjoy it!

As they always say, you gotta cut out the weakest link to turn a loser into a winner.

As Misterearl says: Release the HOUNDS!


You're the only one that wants to keep making this about MDA! This thread is about Melo and his impact or lack thereof. You seem to think that my points are motivated by some lingering loyalty to MDA, when i've posted nothing but facts to support my point of view about Melo and his lack of positive impact on the team. He's some persecuted hero. Melo has only himself to blame for the attitudes that people have towards him. I'm still waiting for him to be "THE REASON" we win games like other Superstars.

What are you saying? From what I can tell a whole lot of NOTHING!

I am saying that both MDA and Melo are at fault.

Can you bring yourself to say that? Nope. Why? Because you are in love/la la land.

You keep wanting to make this about MDA and really it's about Melo. It's always been about Melo. Why are you saying this is about MDA when it's Melo who is still struggling to find his place even after MDA leaves? If Melo had just given max effort like he's doing now this team could've won a lot more games. he now realizes that he should'nt have been so preoccupied with his scoring so much that he stopped playing hard. That's all Melo. No need to try and find other culprits. The team wins in spite of Melo and without him. Try and refute that!!! Show us your bevy of statistical information that proves that to be wrong.


Did D'Antoni ever find his way in NY? He was 46 games under .500 during his tenure in NY, 50 if you count the playoffs last year. Maybe Melo isn't ready to be a self motivated star that doesn't receive guidance. Woodson's approach obviously includes him being an authoritarian leader. Thats a different leadership style than expecting guys to be professionals. Telling a guy, we need you to be you isn't coaching. I am not sure that Melo knew that D'Antoni felt he was such a problem/stressor. I think Melo thought of him as the easy going, low key, smiling assistant from his olympic experience. I think he was frustrated with his style as a head coach but I think there is a bit too much blame being placed on him for the coach deciding to resign. Reports are that he asked to have Melo traded. Either there is a flaw in D'Antoni's ego and commitment to his system or he was looking for a reason to resign if that rumor is true. You don't trade a superstar less than a year in to keep a coach that hasn't won at a rate close to .500 for almost 4 years.
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3/21/2012  11:23 PM
The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!

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3/21/2012  11:28 PM
nixluva wrote:The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!


He was here for a long time. I don't think you can judge him on a 7 game win streak. I didn't think that he ever lost the locker room but things certainly have changed dramatically now that he is gone.
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3/21/2012  11:42 PM
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nixluva wrote:The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!


He was here for a long time. I don't think you can judge him on a 7 game win streak. I didn't think that he ever lost the locker room but things certainly have changed dramatically now that he is gone.

Forget about MDA. This is about Melo! I just don't think we can be happy with the performance we've gotten out of Melo so far in his career here. That has a LOT to do with the success of this team no matter who the coach was. As i've said the team won without him and now in spite of him!!! This isn't really about MDA. What bothers me is when our Superstar admits he's only just now playing with the right Effort level!!! That's not a good thing.

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3/21/2012  11:46 PM
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nixluva wrote:The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!


He was here for a long time. I don't think you can judge him on a 7 game win streak. I didn't think that he ever lost the locker room but things certainly have changed dramatically now that he is gone.

Forget about MDA. This is about Melo! I just don't think we can be happy with the performance we've gotten out of Melo so far in his career here. That has a LOT to do with the success of this team no matter who the coach was. As i've said the team won without him and now in spite of him!!! This isn't really about MDA. What bothers me is when our Superstar admits he's only just now playing with the right Effort level!!! That's not a good thing.

Forget MDA? For you it's ALL about MDA! The only reason why you want to put sole blame on Melo is because it exonerates MDA's horrendous coaching job. What a COP OUT!

Most of us have already said that there is shared blame by many including Melo, but you? Blah Blah Blah Blah Melo Melo Melo STAT Melo Melo Melo.

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3/21/2012  11:51 PM
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nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!


He was here for a long time. I don't think you can judge him on a 7 game win streak. I didn't think that he ever lost the locker room but things certainly have changed dramatically now that he is gone.

Forget about MDA. This is about Melo! I just don't think we can be happy with the performance we've gotten out of Melo so far in his career here. That has a LOT to do with the success of this team no matter who the coach was. As i've said the team won without him and now in spite of him!!! This isn't really about MDA. What bothers me is when our Superstar admits he's only just now playing with the right Effort level!!! That's not a good thing.

Forget MDA? For you it's ALL about MDA! The only reason why you want to put sole blame on Melo is because it exonerates MDA's horrendous coaching job. What a COP OUT!

Most of us have already said that there is shared blame by many including Melo, but you? Blah Blah Blah Blah Melo Melo Melo STAT Melo Melo Melo.

I've already said that MDA didn't handle the situation well, but it wouldn't matter what I said cuz you have this notion built into your head. I could care less what you have to say about me, just don't lie about what actually happened. You still haven't refuted any of my fact based statements. All you do is make jokes and deflect the issue by exhuming MDA's dead corpse to try and deflect blame away from Melo.

Melo plays better and actually gives a darn, this team wins more games. PERIOD! That's on Melo.

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3/22/2012  12:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2012  12:09 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The only reason I bring up MDA is cuz there are bunch of guys that keep kicking dirt on the guy as if he was the reason the team was losing. I defend him cuz there are guys LYING and saying the team never played this hard for him. Let's remember that he had LESS talent and they came together and were winning!!! What has Melo done that all of you should defend him so much and spit on MDA as if he was the source of the problem? We didn't have any defensive problems during Linsanity and it could've gotten much better if Melo wasn't doggin it out there and was instead being a leader and encouraging his teammates to dig in on D.

With regard to Woody. I LOVE what he's doing with the team, but I also know that he hasn't been anymore successful in fixing Melo. It's just that Melo stopped doggin it and is at least trying hard every game. That was a decision Melo made, cuz he knew the heat would be on him if he didn't. You can tell cuz his turnaround was immediate. The very first game of Woody's Head coaching before he even had a practice with the team!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!!!


He was here for a long time. I don't think you can judge him on a 7 game win streak. I didn't think that he ever lost the locker room but things certainly have changed dramatically now that he is gone.

Forget about MDA. This is about Melo! I just don't think we can be happy with the performance we've gotten out of Melo so far in his career here. That has a LOT to do with the success of this team no matter who the coach was. As i've said the team won without him and now in spite of him!!! This isn't really about MDA. What bothers me is when our Superstar admits he's only just now playing with the right Effort level!!! That's not a good thing.

Forget MDA? For you it's ALL about MDA! The only reason why you want to put sole blame on Melo is because it exonerates MDA's horrendous coaching job. What a COP OUT!

Most of us have already said that there is shared blame by many including Melo, but you? Blah Blah Blah Blah Melo Melo Melo STAT Melo Melo Melo.

I've already said that MDA didn't handle the situation well, but it wouldn't matter what I said cuz you have this notion built into your head. I could care less what you have to say about me, just don't lie about what actually happened. You still haven't refuted any of my fact based statements. All you do is make jokes and deflect the issue by exhuming MDA's dead corpse to try and deflect blame away from Melo.

Melo plays better and actually gives a darn, this team wins more games. PERIOD! That's on Melo.

Lie? Is that your new Ad Hominem attacking angle?

I think its your Aspergers acting up ...

How are Da Bulls doing without D Rose? How many times have I said that Melo shares the blame? We are all moving on but you keep sticking your pro MDA subtleties into every thread which is pretty annoying but I enjoy calling you on it so forge ahead.

Cancer Gone! Knicks winning! Everyone is happy!! .... Except the jilted Nixluva

Why is Amare playing defense now? Was he doggin' it before?????? I never saw him play defense before, huh? What do you say sir?

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3/22/2012  12:56 AM
You can all hate on Melo but all of a sudden the rest of the league is ****ting their pants knowing Melo is still not on his game and this team is playing defense....You just know the playoffs could be all this kid needs...Go Knicks!!!
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3/22/2012  12:59 AM
holfresh wrote:You can all hate on Melo but all of a sudden the rest of the league is ****ting their pants knowing Melo is still not on his game and this team is playing defense....You just know the playoffs could be all this kid needs...Go Knicks!!!

That's what we're all hoping for. No one wants Melo to fail. We want him to succeed at helping this team go deep in the playoffs!!!

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3/22/2012  1:03 AM
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holfresh wrote:You can all hate on Melo but all of a sudden the rest of the league is ****ting their pants knowing Melo is still not on his game and this team is playing defense....You just know the playoffs could be all this kid needs...Go Knicks!!!

That's what we're all hoping for. No one wants Melo to fail. We want him to succeed at helping this team go deep in the playoffs!!!

Come on be honest, u know all the hater threads are in the wings being proofread and polished off for the moment this team and Carmelo stumbles..

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3/22/2012  1:16 AM
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nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:You can all hate on Melo but all of a sudden the rest of the league is ****ting their pants knowing Melo is still not on his game and this team is playing defense....You just know the playoffs could be all this kid needs...Go Knicks!!!

That's what we're all hoping for. No one wants Melo to fail. We want him to succeed at helping this team go deep in the playoffs!!!

Come on be honest, u know all the hater threads are in the wings being proofread and polished off for the moment this team and Carmelo stumbles..

Hahaha - I referred to this as well in another thread.

The funny thing is, is that Melo can't throw the ball in the ocean. I don't know if there is something wrong with his wrist or groin or is just off. But, Woodson has them playing non Feast-Or-Famine basketball. They shot horrible tonight - AND WON!! When have we seen that before? And why? Because we are just stifling our opponents now to make them play worse then us! We can actually win when we can hit a damn 3.

Who cares about Melo ... Don't care if he sucks and/or goes 1-20. Lets play defense and win.

GO DEFENSE! Did you catch Amare playing defense now? What's that all about?

DEFENSE=Real-Knick-Basketball

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3/22/2012  1:30 AM
It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.
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3/22/2012  1:35 AM
nixluva wrote:It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.

Wrong again Nixluva.

Melo does not need to EARN his salary, it is guaranteed at this point since it was already earned (hence the guaranteed max contract).

We need to win!!! Don't care if Melo scores 4 pts a game!

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3/22/2012  1:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2012  1:59 AM
nixluva wrote:It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.

I say this much..He needs to be fed the ball...Far too many times he is calling for it and Lin just ignores him...This will be overlooked as long as we are winning but come playoff time it won't go over so well...Unlearning those bad MDA habits will take some time ...

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3/22/2012  2:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2012  2:18 AM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.

I say this much..He needs to be fed the ball...Far too many times he is calling for it and Lin just ignores him...This will be overlooked as long as we are winning but come playoff time it won't go over so well...Unlearning those bad MDA habits will take some time ...

It seems to me that many times they go away just as a matter of keeping things moving. Defenders overplaying the pass may mess up the timing of a play and perhaps they just know that they need to move the ball and shift the defense. I don't see any overt lack of getting Melo the ball. Force feeding doesn't make sense when teams like tonight in Philly overplay that side of the floor that Melo posts up.

I do like the idea of Lin/Melo PnR. I think it tends to work better than just trying to feed Melo in the post, which they overplay. We'll see how things continue to develop.

Oh yea and also I like to see more Curls called for Melo. keeping him moving is one way to avoid the double teams. This is what I think they wanted to do with Melo to make him more efficient rather than having him try to score against double teams.

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James Brown To Elwood Blues: Do You See The Light?

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Wrong again Nixluva.

Melo does not need to EARN his salary, it is guaranteed at this point since it was already earned (hence the guaranteed max contract).

We need to win!!! Don't care if Melo scores 4 pts a game!

The manufactured fuss over Carmelo misses one essential point. From 1 to 12, everyone is playing smarter and more focused. Sure, the long crosscourt pass by JR and Lin's stupid foul under three minutes were prime bonehead, but other than that, they were damn near perfect in effort. Effort. There is that word again. Not simply Carmelo has racheted up his game. JR Smith has never defended like this in his life.

No more gimmickry of SSOL. No more games hoisting bad shots and countless three's. No more out of control turnovers.

Carmelo's statistics are irrelevant. He is playing banged up and not complaining. The only thing that matters is wins, and he has seen the light. He is a team player. He is doing the other things that are critical to any team success. He is getting after it.

Anthony scored only 10 points on 15 shots, but his gorgeous touch pass in the fourth quarter to an encouragingly spry Amar’e Stoudemire — the Knicks’ best player with 21 points and 9 rebounds — put the Knicks ahead for good. - Howard Beck

Repeat after The Answer Man..."A team Player."

Could it be that Mike D'Antoni (who the press defended on a daily basis) was just an inflexible jerk?

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3/22/2012  10:01 AM
misterearl wrote:James Brown To Elwood Blues: Do You See The Light?

mrKnickShot wrote:
Wrong again Nixluva.

Melo does not need to EARN his salary, it is guaranteed at this point since it was already earned (hence the guaranteed max contract).

We need to win!!! Don't care if Melo scores 4 pts a game!

The manufactured fuss over Carmelo misses one essential point. From 1 to 12, everyone is playing smarter and more focused. Sure, the long crosscourt pass by JR and Lin's stupid foul under three minutes were prime bonehead, but other than that, they were damn near perfect in effort. Effort. There is that word again. Not simply Carmelo has racheted up his game. JR Smith has never defended like this in his life.

No more gimmickry of SSOL. No more games hoisting bad shots and countless three's. No more out of control turnovers.

Carmelo's statistics are irrelevant. He is playing banged up and not complaining. The only thing that matters is wins, and he has seen the light. He is a team player. He is doing the other things that are critical to any team success. He is getting after it.

Anthony scored only 10 points on 15 shots, but his gorgeous touch pass in the fourth quarter to an encouragingly spry Amar’e Stoudemire — the Knicks’ best player with 21 points and 9 rebounds — put the Knicks ahead for good. - Howard Beck

Repeat after The Answer Man..."A team Player."

Could it be that Mike D'Antoni (who the press defended on a daily basis) was just an inflexible jerk?

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3/22/2012  10:10 AM
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nixluva wrote:It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.

I say this much..He needs to be fed the ball...Far too many times he is calling for it and Lin just ignores him...This will be overlooked as long as we are winning but come playoff time it won't go over so well...Unlearning those bad MDA habits will take some time ...

love to hear the logic behind "feeding" the ball to player shooting 40%

the only bad habits Lin learned under MDA was how to get everyone involved and win games.

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3/22/2012  10:35 AM
Actually, 40% for Melo has been good recently. He needs to not be fed the ball. He is not playing badly otherwise but no where near superstar status.

But we've got to take either/or with Melo. A good amount of scoring on a bunch of shots at 40% field goal average (pretty much defines career), or play hard and shoot 33%, but at least we get a decent amount of rebounds and defense.

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3/22/2012  10:45 AM
nehemiah wrote:Actually, 40% for Melo has been good recently. He needs to not be fed the ball. He is not playing badly otherwise but no where near superstar status.

But we've got to take either/or with Melo. A good amount of scoring on a bunch of shots at 40% field goal average (pretty much defines career), or play hard and shoot 33%, but at least we get a decent amount of rebounds and defense.

those are pathetic choices. This is our star player we are built around? I say let him earn his shots like everyone else.
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