CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

eViL wrote:

eViL wrote:

martin wrote:wait, was the backcourt of Duhon, Q supposed to lead us to .500? did I miss something?

yes. we were supposed to compete in those throwaway seasons. this is NY. we do it big.

or actually: since they were throwaway seasons and we were supposed to lose anyway -- we should have force-fed our young players to help them rapidly improve. because thrusting young players on the floor all at the same time helps develop great players and great teams faster. just look at the Kings and the Wizards. Mike should have dumped his vets on the scrap heap and went all in with youth. that's the ticket.

He didn't play the young players at all and many around here give him credit when the Knicks draft well so I would I think that he at least was involved in the process of picking Hill and Douglas. How the 8th pick in the draft gets 29 dnps in 53 games while Jeffries and Bender are getting minutes nightly didn't make sense at the time and still doesn't. Douglas had 26 dnps in the first 62 games until the Texas road trip when Walsh traveled with the team. Douglas doubled his minutes for the entire season in the final 20 games. I don't think anyone was saying don't play the vets. I think the complaint was that the first round picks were not playing at all. Duhon, Bender, Jeffries, Nate all were gone after that season and none of that lot brought much of anything to the court. It truly was a throwawy season as the Knicks did not have their draft pick and they were not going to make the playoffs. It was pretty annoying listening to the coach talk about the playoffs until the team was finally mathematically eliminated. That was a year where player development should have been part of the goal of the coach. Sending out the brokendown guys with expiring contracts while he was and saying they were making a run at the playoffs was so off base. The rooks could have and should have gotten at least 10-15 minutes a game. That wouldn't ruffle any vets feathers nearly as much as the communication issues the coach was having with some of his vets that season.

absolutely and categorically false, and you know it too, but you keep denying it. And this is why when you post most ignore any positive statements when you may have them. If you have them.

Lee, Gallo, Chandler, Nate. TD, Walker, Giddens, Hill. All played. Some played too much. You have a blind eye for TD who no one thinks is a PG and should get any minutes at that position in year 3, regardless of shooting ability.

Douglas should have gotten 62 DNPs not 26. Toney Douglas is and has always been a third string scrub. Not sure exactly why you keep regurgitating this. It is not an NBA head coach's job to try to develop third tier "talent" that have no role in the long term picture on any NBA team. You can find hundreds of examples of bad players who didn't get playing time on bad teams no idea what you are trying to prove with this. Your agenda completely clouds your judgment on this topic.

People were pretty excited about Douglas's play that year when he finally got minutes in March.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34510&page=3

When your team has sucked for 10 years straight people focus on whatever bright spot may present itself however unlikely it may be. It doesn't make him a good player. He is still a third string scrub. The ONLY thing I EVER liked about TD was his hustle. That was it.

Hindsight is great when you evaluate players. Douglas was the best point guard on the team that year and played well in the spring when he finally got run. The point I was making was that he should have been playing and a part of the rotation a lot sooner. Spinning it to make it about people searching for a positive after they saw a guy play well when he finally got a chance doesn't change the fact that D'Antoni barely played Douglas in a year when the team had nothing at the point until his boss traveled with the team.

Hindsight? MDA had the FORESIGHT to know Douglas was a scrub. I wish he had never been drafted by the Knicks and I didn't have to suffer watching him chuck three pointers to kill our chances game after game. Every young player you guys accuse MDA of not playing has turned out to be a scrub, if anything he should get praise for being able to develop the ones that can play regardless of where they were drafted.

I don't think you should post about other people having an agenda. Your a halfstep behind Nix but he is open about it.

Nice.

You have over 300 posts saying MDA mishandled Douglas, I have One post where I stated my opinion that he was correct in not wasting his time trying to develop players who in his assessment didn't have what it takes to fulfill any long term needs of the team - and now I have an agenda?

Good call.

Erniecat wrote:

islesfan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:i'd rather win with MDA than Phil. that's what it comes down to. if JVG were gonna come back it'd be a different story.

I'd rather win period.

+1,000,000,000

If we win a title, then it means we made the right choice regarding the coach, no matter who the coach is. So if we win with D'Antoni, it means we made the right decision to stick with him. If we fire D'Antoni and his replacement wins a title, it means we made the right choice by changing coaches.

Anyway, a lot of folks are taking this D'Antoni argument personally, as if we don't like the man. I have no problem with him, seems like an OK guy, but I don't think he has done a very good job. I'm not saying he's necessarily done a bad job either, given all the changes in personnel. But no way has he earned an extension yet. Hopefully he will have earned it by the end of the season, but it's way too early. Let's see what he does with this team, which we pretty much all agree finally has what it takes to make a really nice playoff run.

This is the most destructive line of reasoning I have ever read. The only way to validate hiring a coach is by winning a championship? So then every coach we had since Holzman were awful waste of space right? That includes Riley, JVG, Brown etc...

You think I'm kidding eh ?
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