AnubisADL wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:Look at Amar'e in every interview before we got Melo. It's not hard to read a smile from ear to ear! Then look post Melo... It doesn't take a psych major to recognize he wasn't as happy... He was the man before the trade with the entire city if new York chanting MVP! Of course he's not going to outright say it... Why would he do that.. I believe his play since getting Melo speaks for itself. He might as well be herb Williams since Melo got here. And the only reason the market dictated we pay Chandler so much considering he was basically a straight up defensive player until this season was because Golden state drove up the price. Dallas, the team he just helped win a title weren't even willing to match that price, but Dolan throws money around at players because he thinks he's Steinbrenner... See Jerome James!!!

*Dead*

Doesn't take a psychic to see Amar'e was better without Melo.... Nor are we a better team THUS FAR with Melo than we are without.

Theotherheath wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.

Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.

Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.

Amar'e is the best all around player... He already proved it last year by carrying the Knicks on his back. Something Melo brought to an end once he cane over.

I love Amare, but what's the standard for "proving it" again? Carrying a team on his back...to a record of two games over .500? Did Melo bring that to an end or did the fact that we lost half our team have something to do with it? An argument can certainly be made that too much was given up in the trade, but I just can't understand this thinking that once Carmelo showed up the world imploded.

I'm sorry did you watch the nicks before Amar'e came? He rejuvenated an entire city, and a franchise that was great even when it was losing before Ewing and before Isaih destroyed it. And yes we gave up too much because we didn't have to give up ANYTHING!! Why is no one seeing this point? Melo forced that trade!! He and he alone forced us to send away a nucleus that Walsh put together and had HUGE potential when Melo was coming here regardless.. It's insane how dense you "knick's fans" are when half of you won't concede that glaringly obvious point

My man, you move more goalposts than the ground crew at MetLife Stadium. You said:

Theotherheath wrote:Amar'e is the best all around player... He already proved it last year by carrying the Knicks on his back. Something Melo brought to an end once he cane over.

I simply asked you to define what "proving it" meant to you because, if you recall, the Amare-centric Knicks were barely over .500 when the trade went down, and that was with Amare --who, again, I am giant fan of--playing absolutely out of his mind.

And, sorry are you saying that Patrick Ewing destroyed the Knicks? Please tell me that's just your spastic sentence structure...

Losing BEFORE EWING ... Read closer... We were awful before Ewing.. Do you disagree, and we we aful after Isaih. Am I wrong... It's a forum... Who worries about proper English in a forum or are you trying to get publishers to follow you? And YES we were a barely above fiv hundred team but that was with Amar'e leading a bunch of good role-players that would've caused some damage against the right team in the playoffs and could've learned to be even better with Melo the next season if he DIDN'T FORCE THEM TO GUT THE TEAM!!!

Good Lord, don't blame if I can't read your mind as well as you can read the minds of professional athletes. This is what you wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:He rejuvenated an entire city, and a franchise that was great even when it was losing before Ewing and before Isaih destroyed it.

That sentence says that the team was great before Ewing and Isiah destroyed it.

Anywho, qe're going to have to agree to disagree on the potential success of the Amare-Knicks, but I have gone on record as saying it would have been more preferable to add Melo as a FA---though I'm a little uneasy about that now considering we wouldn't have gotten Tyson and I am convinced he's one of the club's all-time best FA acquisitions.

At the very least you don't think Melo is the Antichrist that your previous posts seemed to have made him out to be. You admit we would have been better with him added to the original core.

martin wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:Melo has played with Miller, inversion, and billups so
Obviously good pg's don't raise his game. Oh yeah and we wouldn't have needed a point guard I he didn't force the trade that sent Felton to Denver. Felton look like an allstar in mda's system... But since he had to play games and force a deal we ended up with no point guard for a third of this season. Again you miss the point that he forced a team HE WAS GOING TO to dismantle for no reason.

The Knicks have stated an interest in signing Chandler and he said "he'd love a return to NY." even if we paid him in chicken gyros he'd be a knick, and no matter where he or smith sign it's going to be for the minimum. Both want to play in new York and the difference between Chandler and Melo's contracts and Howard's would be available. Even if Dolan had to eat a few million their contracts shouldn't count against our cap.

WTH is turkey glue? How couldn't they afford deron when they'd be getting rid of an 83 million dollar contract and a 54 million dollar contract? Plus the millions we gave to one year deal this off season... You're telling me 140 mill wouldn't be enough to sign them?

right. So it's pretty clear that you may want to read up on a lot of topics and consider your points more closely. Stay tuned, keep up and perhaps back off on being so absolute.

You missed about a dozen points in my post, and you still have too many factual errors and argument errors in your own. I'd suggest reading more and taking your time responding.

Sorry I have a life... I'll read your points more closely as soon as someone takes the time to comment on my original point... How much more egotistical can a player get than dismantling a team you're going to sign with anyway? How come no one is willing to comment on this fact?!

Theotherheath wrote:Might wantto fix your stat sheet then because under "3pm-a" it says 5-5 so it throws all your numbers into question... Just saying

You're kind of skipping over the key talking points to comment on one correction, but it clearly says 5-5 FTM-A. Not sure what you're looking at or if your window altered the format.

Here's the official link if you're so concerned about the numbers being "thrown into question"...
http://www.nba.com/games/20120204/NJNNYK/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

martin wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:

martin wrote:

Theotherheath wrote:Melo has played with Miller, inversion, and billups so
Obviously good pg's don't raise his game. Oh yeah and we wouldn't have needed a point guard I he didn't force the trade that sent Felton to Denver. Felton look like an allstar in mda's system... But since he had to play games and force a deal we ended up with no point guard for a third of this season. Again you miss the point that he forced a team HE WAS GOING TO to dismantle for no reason.

The Knicks have stated an interest in signing Chandler and he said "he'd love a return to NY." even if we paid him in chicken gyros he'd be a knick, and no matter where he or smith sign it's going to be for the minimum. Both want to play in new York and the difference between Chandler and Melo's contracts and Howard's would be available. Even if Dolan had to eat a few million their contracts shouldn't count against our cap.

WTH is turkey glue? How couldn't they afford deron when they'd be getting rid of an 83 million dollar contract and a 54 million dollar contract? Plus the millions we gave to one year deal this off season... You're telling me 140 mill wouldn't be enough to sign them?

right. So it's pretty clear that you may want to read up on a lot of topics and consider your points more closely. Stay tuned, keep up and perhaps back off on being so absolute.

You missed about a dozen points in my post, and you still have too many factual errors and argument errors in your own. I'd suggest reading more and taking your time responding.

Sorry I have a life... I'll read your points more closely as soon as someone takes the time to comment on my original point... How much more egotistical can a player get than dismantling a team you're going to sign with anyway? How come no one is willing to comment on this fact?!

you have a life, that's nice. Get some brains. I tore apart your original post and points.

BTW, Melo didn't make the trade, Dolan did.

And, no Melo trade, prob no Tyson or Lin. Things worked out.

You're actually saying Melo didn't force the Knick's hand with his I might stay in Denver or possibly go to NJ in the off season BS????

And how did you tear anything apart? Yeah Howard's a cry baby... You don't think NY would straighten that out? Please we'd eat him alive if he kept up his crying. Orlando has to kiss his ass because they know if he doesn't stay their franchise is done. NY reporters alone would make him man up.

And again I would only want this trade if Melo keeps being Melo.

Here's what Melo said when asked about this Lin issue by Jonah Ballow:

"It's more exciting than anything just to see the buzz he [@JLin7] has created" @carmeloanthony

"It's easy, give him [@JLin7] the ball & space out. I get back to do what I know how to do best." @carmeloanthony

People have been demonizing him, but Melo's attitude has been good this season- he's a good guy, not the villain people seem to want to paint him as.

Melo was asked to be the point forward earlier this season- the ball was to go through him- it was a disaster, but that was the role he was given. And we looked just as bad without him playing before Lin was given a chance.

Just give him some actual games with a PG and see what happens.

nixluva wrote:All of this is really a strange set of circumstances. Since he got here there has been very little time to get everyone on the same page. Last year CB was struggling to learn the system and MDA to find the perfect balance given the new mix of players. Then this year you have the lockout and almost no prep time to get things right. Then you have the fact that we traded for Tyson and didn't have a legit PG. So with players not really being in normal BB shape or ready skills wise, we got off to a bad start. That made Melo overcompensate and threw his game off. Then the losing messes up everyone's head.

The great thing was that Lin came along and pushed the reset button. He was the ray of sunshine that allowed this team to get back on track and save the season. Now we can look to blend in STAT, then Melo and eventually Baron in a gradual way. I think this has worked out better than we could've hoped for given the start.

I agree- things have been nicely reset. Now D'Antoni's system has been established and the players have confidence in it. Players who were struggling before have gained confidence (apart from Bibby, TD and Bill Walker). First Amar'e get's to blend in, then a week later Melo, then after that BD. We have a real opportunity here.

Theotherheath wrote:My point is that teams win titles by fitting the proper pieces together to compliment one another is how you get things done. Jordan was great because he could make anyone better... He trusted paxson, Kerr, Armstrong, to take the big shot when needed. He preached defense and led by example; lifting his team to countless titles. Bill Russell and Magic were the same. Melo, while an amazing talent, will never bring us anywhere until he learns to make those around him better. Do you think he's willing o change his entire game up to do that? I don't.

I agree on how team win titles

But why don't we allow Mr Melo (star) suit up and play a full game with Mr Lin 1st, or for matter of fact play few games together
with Lin and Stoudemire.

Last season when Melo carried Knicks all by his lonesome self & to nearly upset Boston Celtics NO ONE complained in his game.
There is trust to be earned among teammates. Last season Knicks including Coach was GUTLESS even with PG Billups.

Melo will play with guys he see's as hungry and his game can only benefit. Or course some of the adjustment is up to coach also.

You still gotta play defense & thats ALL 10-12 players including Melo.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:wtf is going on these boards these days?

linsanity side effect

Melo had just witnessed how Lebron became hated in Cleveland. He liked his time in Denver, and wanted to leave on good terms with both the fans and the management. He didn't want to have to go back to play in Denver and have all of his former fans boo him.

I don't see that as a egotistical behavior. He likely told his agent about his concerns and listened to them when they came up with a plan to accomplish what he wanted. I don't see how you can blame Melo for Dolan's stupidity. The Knicks team had to get rid of salaries to sign Melo. It turned into being "dismantled" because of the what Dolan agreed to do, not because of what Melo did.

Now that I have answered your question, I would like to answer a question you didn't ask. Your idea of trading Melo because he hasn't worked out for the Knicks in the past, is not first rate thinking. Just because he didn't work out previously, doesn't mean Melo will never work out. Waiting to see how Amare and Melo work out now that we have an excellent point guard on the team is not rocket science. Btw, did you know that Melo's spokesperson put out a story that said that Melo was lobbying MDA to give Lin playing time?