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tj23
Posts: 21851 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/20/2010 Member: #3119 |
![]() I can't believe there's a multiple page thread about Jeremy freaking Lin. Lmao...
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joec32033
Posts: 30612 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #583 USA |
![]() Bippity10 wrote:joec32033 wrote:Bippity10 wrote:joec32033 wrote:If there is one thing we have noticed it is once Mike gets a rotation he sticks with it for a while. Now I agree Shumpert is not a PG. At least not a traditional Steve Nash type PG. He is a scoring D-Wade type PG (just comparing types, breathe guys). In Mike's world, a DWade style PG is a SG. Putting all the eggs on the Baron basket is risky. IMO, the team will better but Baron will be walking on egg shells. I think giving Lin something so they can see where he is at in games would be good to see if we have Baron's backup. I think TD is a back up shooting guard, and Fields should be a backup 3 to maximize him performing without Melo. ~You can't run from who you are.~
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
![]() with Baron Davis coming back in the near future, I feel the door is closing on Lin.
And yes, he could be helping us right now, at the very least ahead of TD and Bibby. Even Janerro Pargo could help us. That is how bad our PG play is. I don't know if if that knee brace or what, but, Iman doesn't have that burst of speed. I am saying Lin is one of the only ones with probably TD that has the speed quickness but TD has no handle, IQ, or court vision. And for us to get easy shots, We need quickness, for penetration. Whether its 1v1 or with the PnR, this kid plays with smarts and IQ. Fields does not have the ability to do the same, Iman would probably be suited playing starting SG. It would be a shame if Baron comes back and he loses his shot. Look at any NBA team, the PG, usually 2-3 players, has the speed and quickness to penetrate, and/or 4 shooters (at least 3) to break down the defense. Unlike our past, we use to able to play with 4 shooters, at least with majority of our lineups, and Amare at center(which allowed him to penetrate). I think they all deserve a shot to play, with the way we have been playing. With Lin, Novak, Jordan, and even Balkman. |
RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
![]() Stephen Jackson was a player that was drafted in the NBA by the Suns I believe...
He didn't get to play and was moved around, went to Europe, and revitalized his career with the Spurs. They didn't even think he was worth the MLE, even though he helped them win a championship. He was doubted by the league and he was once a "Star" after the SA days, with the Pacers, and GS Warriors. |
EwingsGlass
Posts: 27503 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
![]() I'm losing confidence in Mike D'antoni. I think this year should be his last. I am typically the last one to the party and I may have arrived. He's a smart coach with an innovative system but not much more innovative than the run and gun offense (which this seems to be a terrible version of). In any event, I am coming to the realization that Mike D'antoni gets the most out of HIS players but not the best out the players on the New York Knicks.
I also can't wait for the end of the Jared Jeffries era. With Woodson in the wings, a team that starts moderately healthy BoomDizzle, Fields, Melo, Mare and Chandler should be able to play decent ball for 38 mins a game. for the other 10 mins, they can put in guys like Shumpy, Douglas etc... and press. This old team is not "out-athleticizing" the other teams at this point, so its time to start playing smart, hardnose basketball. Only wondering what would have happened if Chicago got Mike D and we got Thibodeau... With regard to the question at hand -- I'd give Lin some serious minutes before I say "starter" but best player should play. He didn't get a training camp with the Knicks (but we know he is smart), so maybe there are minor adjustments necessary. I'd just say, rather than "Start Lin", I'd change it to "Give Lin significant minutes to get acclimated to the league". You know I gonna spin wit it
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
![]() knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Lin is dfntly not a NBA starter..are you seriously joking..I agree he should see some minutes, but let's get real...give me one starting pg in currently playing that Lin is better then..that list would be microscopic So why argue if we both agree he should play? Sessions is so good that he still can't get a starting job outwright. He could start for us today but the Knicks can't afford him especially when the dude can't really shoot it that well. Boobie Gibson is a decent back up point guard. He's more known for shooting it. Boobie is better than TD and Bibby though. Irving in my opinion is ok at best. Hes being allowed to lern on the fly. He has some nice skills but I look at Lin and see the same skill set. You can't stop either player from getting in the lane. Lin gets to the paint every time he tries without a song and dance either. Lin can handle with the best of them. Irving had a so so game against us. I saw him play better against better talent. I think at this point Lin could be on par with him if given the minutes. Byron Scott and the Cavs could have kept Baron to mentor Irving but opted to waive Baron and bench his more experienced point guards for a 19 year old rookie that hadn't played much over the last year....why can't Lin get that shot. Shump got his shot to play....I think Lin has proven himself worthy of playing time due to what we have seen watching him. He's out played his peers and proved in the d-league that he has game. Its shame to me that he can't get 15-20 mins....I think if he did he would be starting with Shump by now. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
![]() EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:EnySpree wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Lin is dfntly not a NBA starter..are you seriously joking..I agree he should see some minutes, but let's get real...give me one starting pg in currently playing that Lin is better then..that list would be microscopic very well said, people 4get he was competing at a high level vs John Wall *#1 draft pick* Manu Ginobili are players that were able to be stars are good players that were once in the League... |
rp
Posts: 20756 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/31/2009 Member: #2965 USA |
![]() MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:EnySpree wrote: "Failure is only postponed success as long as courage coaches ambition. The habit of persistence is the habit of victory" -Herbert Kaufman
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
![]() I agree with Briggs start Lin
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MarburyAnd1Crossover
Posts: 23120 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/24/2011 Member: #3650 |
![]() rp wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:EnySpree wrote: Hahahaha, wrong game. Up by 30. I am the dopey now. Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL
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upstate
Posts: 20091 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/27/2011 Member: #3781 |
![]() More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League:
Knicks PER stats http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/ny/cat/PER/new-york-knicks Guess who ranks first and last on the Knicks in PER (Player Efficiency Rating)? Jeremy Lin and Toney Douglas, respectively. Lin's PER is 31.3 (highest of all PGs in the NBA), the next highest on the team is Melo with 20.8 PER. Bibby is 11th on the team with 9.5 PER, TD is dead last with 7.2 PER. I still like TD, but this also shows that TD is not meant to be a PG no matter how many years of training we give him, and we are putting him in a position to fail. |
MarburyAnd1Crossover
Posts: 23120 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/24/2011 Member: #3650 |
![]() upstate wrote:More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League: Yea, and it sucks for TD because I like the guy as a Bucket Dropper at the Two, off the bench. Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL
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upstate
Posts: 20091 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/27/2011 Member: #3781 |
![]() MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:upstate wrote:More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League: Agree, given the right matchup, having a super energetic TD coming off the bench, play kamikaze defense and fire a few 3's (if hot) works. If he's cold, just sit him down. If he starts and he is cold, you can't just yank him after 2 minutes because it would tear down his confidence, so this just doesn't work. Lin is pass-first and team-first, and draws fouls to allow your team to get into the penalty earlier in the quarter. Lin should start, get all his teammates touches and into the flow, draw some fouls, and then when he's tired, bring in TD to run all over the floor--keep him in if he's hot, if not, yank him out quickly and it won't look bad. |
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
![]() upstate wrote:More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League: LOL you're going to use the PER stat as if it means anything since he's only played in blowouts?? listen i am not against lin whatsoever, i just think if the coaches felt he deserved to play, then he would. none of us are in practice, so him not playing is just my assumption that he's not doing what they want and they see him and we don't. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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upstate
Posts: 20091 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/27/2011 Member: #3781 |
![]() nyk4ever wrote:upstate wrote:More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League: You are right in theory, but then if the coaches were always right you would never need to fire one and we wouldn't need any of these discussion boards. I'm hoping that the reason they are not playing Lin much is that they want to prepare him some more so that he is not thrown in too early and loses his confidence. Unfortunately, I just don't think that makes sense because these days so many young PGs are given chances to play, make their mistakes, and learn from them. It's like playing any sport--if you don't get real game experience, you just won't get to improve as quickly. The question is at what point does Lin's lack of experience get surpassed by his ability relative to the other options (Bibby, Shump/TD at PG instead of SG where they should be playing, etc.) That is a matter of opinion, and so it is an interesting discussion. Of course PER in just a few minutes of game is not determinative, but it shows that he is contributing tremendously even if he doesn't "look" cool or good, as it is the results that matters. |
loweyecue
Posts: 27468 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 11/20/2005 Member: #1037 |
![]() upstate wrote:nyk4ever wrote:upstate wrote:More reason to play Lin for those who are unsure (Credit to madbucky on RealGM). Small sample size, but it is an indicator that Lin plays the complete game, like I have seen of him throughout college and the D League: Gotta hand it to you for being honest. So what you are saying is that messgae boards exist so fans like you can criticize the coach? Couldn' have said it better myself. TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() If and when Lin is ready for a shot, i'm positive that MDA is gonna play him. You don't know for sure if the kid is ready to play on both ends yet. We'll see soon I guess. I hope he shines and sticks.
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