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MarburyAnd1Crossover
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2/10/2012  8:46 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

Yea, you can expect me to adapt to an extent, but if you cut my leg off and throw me in the woods it's not likely I will come out alive.

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2/10/2012  8:52 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

Yea, you can expect me to adapt to an extent, but if you cut my leg off and throw me in the woods it's not likely I will come out alive.

If you acted like the injury never happened you wouldn't.

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2/10/2012  8:52 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

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2/10/2012  8:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2012  8:56 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

Yea, you can expect me to adapt to an extent, but if you cut my leg off and throw me in the woods it's not likely I will come out alive.

If you acted like the injury never happened you wouldn't.

I'm not clear on what you mean.

If it is that MDA acted like he still had two legs, I commend him for putting on a strong face and not crying to the media about it.

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2/10/2012  8:56 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

What about the goal of getting a roster to adapt to the philosophy?

Why fire a coach when the roster is glaringly deficient and has been for at least 3/4's of his tenure?

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2/10/2012  8:58 AM
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

I agree on all points.

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2/10/2012  9:15 AM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

What about the goal of getting a roster to adapt to the philosophy?

Why fire a coach when the roster is glaringly deficient and has been for at least 3/4's of his tenure?

You fire a coach when he doesn't deliver. Coaches are given rosters to work with and they make the best with what they have. What coach gets every player he wants? I get the feeling that we could be playing this game for years, D'Antoni needing one more player to make things work.

I don't believe giving him the rest of the season to prove he's earned an extension is unreasonable.

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2/10/2012  9:24 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

Yea, you can expect me to adapt to an extent, but if you cut my leg off and throw me in the woods it's not likely I will come out alive.

If you acted like the injury never happened you wouldn't.

I'm not clear on what you mean.

If it is that MDA acted like he still had two legs, I commend him for putting on a strong face and not crying to the media about it.

As far as his philosophy is concerned he did. I commend D'Antoni for taking the job knowing this was a project. I just don't believe he was the right coach for a rebuilding job. Lin might make a difference, MDA has the rest of the season to show what he can do with a good PG. He got what he wanted, lets see what he can do with one for the rest of the season.

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2/10/2012  9:43 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:What you want to do is maximize what your players can do given their talents. MDA is trying to put guys in positions to succeed. Role players like Fields, Walker, Novak etc. are limited players but in the right position they can be effective. MDA has created a system that attempts to make the game easier for players even if you don't have great players at every position. Even if you don't have great size. That why he was able to get to the WCF's with no center and only 6-8 Diaw in the middle. They played team ball and it was very effective.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.


One obese Cliche.

That's great. I am sure Isiah had play designs too.

This is kinda funny.

Every coach wants to "maximize their players talents"
Every coach wants to "put guys in positions to succeed" (I think :-) )
Every good TEAM had limited/role players that "if put in the right position can be effective"

No coach has GREAT players at every position.

Great players make plays. A good coach is very important to manage great players - we don't need a genius - this is not rocket science.

So you think that it means nothing that MDA's offense has been a top offense in the league in terms of being one of the most efficient? In successive years MDA's offense was #1, #2, #1, #2 in efficiency. It only dropped here in NY with Duhon and a cast of poor PG's running the point. #17, #17 and then last year we finally got a good PG in Felton and lo and behold the team jumped to #5. We sucked with no PG and then lo and behold you put a PG like Lin in the mix and they're scoring with just our scrubs.

Yes every coach "wants" to maximize their players talents and put them in position to succeed, but our coach has actually excelled at doing it!!!
This is a coach that had Boris Diaw come from being a nobody on his former team the Hawks to being the Center on his team that went to the WCF's. You don't want to think that MDA is a good coach and that he makes a difference but you really don't have anything to back up what you're saying.

Interesting how PHX was #1 in Offensive Efficiency after he left. TWICE! (PLEASE DON'T SAY BECAUSE THEY STAYED WITH SSOL - You're better than that)
Interesting how Denver was #1 in Offensive Efficiency last year. Oh, but George Karl had no time to write a book about what kind of genius because he was very ill.

The Knicks were ranked 5-8th last year (depends on the site) - Pretty decent. But George Karl, I this is the true Genius.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2011-06-12

I think it means that he is a good offensive coach with 2 offensive superstars in PHX / 2 time MVP and a great "offensive" supporting cast.

His knicks team last year was an excellent offensive team.

Again he is a good "offensive" coach but no genius. The PNR with the right player(s) can be indefensible as Clyde always says.

Did I say that D'Antoni was the only good offensive coach? Karl is a great coach, but that has nothing to do with this argument! MDA didn't write a book about himself, someone else was inspired to write about him. MDA doesn't call himself a genius many others that know way more than you have said that. I've tried to show you that there's more to it than just PnR but you go on in your ignorance thinking you know better.

The only ignorant one here is you! You are so busy with your man-crush and blinded by it. I don't care about the coach, I care about the Knicks and winning.

PHX POST MDA OFFENSIVE OFF - #1 AND AGAIN #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALVIN GENTRY IS A GENIUS!! UH - NO!

so interesting that when amare left, huh? what? no more #1! Funny how things go.

please, stop with your numbers unless they say NUMBER OF RINGS!

You've got to be kidding! Nash has mastered the system and Gentry was MDA's assistant, of course they can still operate at a high level.

None of the garbage your spewing makes any sense!!! THE SYSTEM is proven! Others can use it or parts of it and find success and they do!!! It takes a combination of talent and coaching to win and that's all I've been trying to say. You have to give credit to the players and the coaches.

Simple basketball. Put in a 2 time MVP caliber PG and one of the top/efficient power forwards the game has seen, surround them with good roll players (or better JJ, JR ...), have them run the INDEFENSIBLE PNR, have players who can hit the 3, VOILA!! Highly EFFICIENT OFFENSE! I know there are other plays that you saw in your book/bible that are nice but us simpletons just don't appreciate. Every coach has plays - and maybe they are decent because he is a decent offensive coach - yay!!

Take out the highly efficient players, put in drek - bang! Low efficiency. Have a coach take a weak team, teach them, ride them to play their asses off, box out, scrap, dive ... win, that impresses the hell out of me.

While MDA is a good offensive coach which I said many times, you so underestimate Nash because of you SCARY MAN-CRUSH that it is sad. I feel for you buddy. And, as so many people have pointed out, you cannot give credit without ever placing blame, you lose all credibility when attempting to make an untarnished argument. You give credit to MDA for Lin ("he told Grunwald to get this guy because he liked what he saw") but all the sh1tty moves that the knicks annually make, oh! those were not his idea. COMICAL! Mostly SAD.

When it comes to defense and boxing out ... "the players, its the players blah blah blah" not MDA. But when you have Nash, Stat and team, oh it's the system! It works. It's proven.

GROW UP. Give the unconditional love to your family, your friends - not a coach who does not even know you exist. OR DOES HE??? HHHHHHMMMMM.

Enough for me with this pointless dialogue - it's like debating with Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

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I think that mDA should be given the rest of the season to see how he does, no excuses or BS. Have his team fight hard, complete every game, box out, play defense, limit the dumb 3's (or yank the fukka - BILLY WALKER) and be FLEXIBLE.

I do not root against him and have no personal vendetta (because I don't know him - or care about him). Do a good job here and everyone is happy. NY embraces a winner and hates excuses.

The team makes it to the second round of the playoffs and competes really hard and overachieves? Go ahead and extend him with a 2 year contract. If not? See ya Mike Martz!

Go MDA!!! Bring it home!

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2/10/2012  10:15 AM
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

Even after seeing TD make PnR decisions this year, we still want the TD from 2+ years ago to get even more playing time than he did?

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2/10/2012  10:20 AM
Play Lin earlier?

Wow! Look at his knick timeline.

Some coaches might never have put him in!

He barely got into shape.

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2/10/2012  10:48 AM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

Even after seeing TD make PnR decisions this year, we still want the TD from 2+ years ago to get even more playing time than he did?

At that time, yes. The situation was different - we were a lottery bound team that should have been focused on developing talent.

My opinion, is you learn by doing, not watching.

Why is it that every other team in a similar circumstance (lotto bound, losing) plays its draft picks & tries to develop guys?

At the time, if I recall, Duhon was gassed and playing putrid. TD had shown glimpses of being a player. Maybe not a pick and roll/smart PG type, but a guy that deserved playing time.

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2/10/2012  10:49 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:Simple basketball. Put in a 2 time MVP caliber PG and one of the top/efficient power forwards the game has seen, surround them with good roll players (or better JJ, JR ...), have them run the INDEFENSIBLE PNR, have players who can hit the 3, VOILA!! Highly EFFICIENT OFFENSE! I know there are other plays that you saw in your book/bible that are nice but us simpletons just don't appreciate. Every coach has plays - and maybe they are decent because he is a decent offensive coach - yay!!

Take out the highly efficient players, put in drek - bang! Low efficiency. Have a coach take a weak team, teach them, ride them to play their asses off, box out, scrap, dive ... win, that impresses the hell out of me.

While MDA is a good offensive coach which I said many times, you so underestimate Nash because of you SCARY MAN-CRUSH that it is sad. I feel for you buddy. And, as so many people have pointed out, you cannot give credit without ever placing blame, you lose all credibility when attempting to make an untarnished argument. You give credit to MDA for Lin ("he told Grunwald to get this guy because he liked what he saw") but all the sh1tty moves that the knicks annually make, oh! those were not his idea. COMICAL! Mostly SAD.

When it comes to defense and boxing out ... "the players, its the players blah blah blah" not MDA. But when you have Nash, Stat and team, oh it's the system! It works. It's proven.

GROW UP. Give the unconditional love to your family, your friends - not a coach who does not even know you exist. OR DOES HE??? HHHHHHMMMMM.

Enough for me with this pointless dialogue - it's like debating with Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

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I think that mDA should be given the rest of the season to see how he does, no excuses or BS. Have his team fight hard, complete every game, box out, play defense, limit the dumb 3's (or yank the fukka - BILLY WALKER) and be FLEXIBLE.

I do not root against him and have no personal vendetta (because I don't know him - or care about him). Do a good job here and everyone is happy. NY embraces a winner and hates excuses.

The team makes it to the second round of the playoffs and competes really hard and overachieves? Go ahead and extend him with a 2 year contract. If not? See ya Mike Martz!

Go MDA!!! Bring it home!


I've tried to post facts to help you understand what i'm talking about and make less about dumb insults and a more constructive conversation, but unfortunately you seem incapable of looking at logical facts when presented to you. I included the play diagrams to show you that it's more than just PnR and 3's. If you bothered to pay attention you'd see that some plays have screens and other plays have no screens even tho the PG can call for a screen at any time if the set gets broken down. Here is an excellent article that helps explain why Lin is having such a break out performance when he hasn't shown this level of ability in the NBA before.

There has been lots of talk of the regrets that previous GMs must be having now that Lin appears to be for real, yo. “How could a guy like this go undrafted?”

“How could he have been waived by all thirty-six teams, including the Anchorage Yetis?”

“Fire all the GMs!”

Maybe the appropriate place to start answering this question is by looking at Lin’s numbers this season and last:

Season 	Minutes Played 	Points/36 Assists/36 	AST% 	TS% 	USG% 	Steals/36 	Turnovers/36
2010-11 284 9.6 5.3 20.5% 45.8% 15.7% 4.2 2.3
2011-12 171 22.5 8.7 47.2% 61.3% 29.3% 1.7 4.0

That is quite the transformation. Perhaps you’re thinking that he spent last year in a cocoon, and now we’re seeing the beautiful butterfly spread its wings. I have another thought though.

Let me start by painting you a word-picture. Jeremy Lin is on the Lakers (don’t worry – we’re just imagining). He dribbles the ball up the court, and sees a scowling Kobe Bryant thrust his shoulder back into Thabo Sefolosha as he fights for position in the high post. He raises his hand up, calling for the ball, and Jeremy Lin begins to drop the ball into Kobe, but wait, what’s this? Westbrook drops off of Lin as he starts to pass, blocking the angle. Jeremy eyes the basket from 23 feet out, but then feels Kobe’s eyes burning on his cheeks, and so he reverses the ball, and after some screen action, Kobe receives the pass and begins to back Thabo down.

Except there are more problems. OKC doubles Kobe, and their defense rotates so that Lin is open on the weak side. Kobe now has two options: swing the ball to Lin so he can miss a three (or dribble in and take a low value long two), or he can do what Kobe do and jack up a shot with two defenders draped over him.

The Laker version of Jeremy Lin looks very similar to the Warrior version of Lin, and the reason why is because what these last three games have revealed is that he has two plus skills:

1. Reading the defense
2. Slashing to the rim

Those skills are only valuable when you have the ball in your hands, and it takes a great leap of faith for a coach to send an undrafted rookie out in the game and give him the green light to to attack. If you look at Lin’s shot selection last year in Golden State, 64% of his attempts were jump shots. He had a putrid eFG% of 29.3% on those shots. Lin was not creating when he was in Golden State. In the few minutes Keith Smart spared him last year, he likely told him to get the ball to a more established player. Most of his few field goal attempts likely came on kick outs, and if we’ve seen one notable flaw in Lin’s game, it’s that he cannot shoot. Not only is this pattern evidenced in Lin’s shot selection, it is clear from his meek 15.7% usage rate and much lower turnover rate.

By contrast, Lin’s 29.3% USG% this year is 11th in the league, just after Derrick Rose. It is higher than Amaré Stoudemire’s (26.8%). Combined, Lin’s USG% and AST% is 76.5%, so when he’s playing, Lin either shoots, turns the ball over, or assists on more than three-quarters of the Knicks’ possessions. That’s higher than Westbrook, Rose, and Paul, and slightly lower than the offense-starved Nets’ Deron Williams.

In addition, Lin’s skills are particularly well suited to D’Antoni’s offense. As we have seen from our point guard play this year and even from Chauncey Billups last year, the pick and roll is easy to run but hard to have consistent success with. This is because the passing angles and driving lanes change on every play. One time down, Lin might have a window to pass to Chandler as soon as he rolls to the basket. The next time down, he might have to cut diagonally towards the paint to get that angle, another he might have to hesitate at a certain spot and wait for the angle to develop. This doesn’t even take into account potential passes to perimeter players. There are a ton of decisions to make in a very short period of time, and if you miss your window to make a play, the defense will recover, and you will either have to reset, or you will end up with a low percentage shot.

So to answer the question, “Why has Lin been so successful?” it is mostly because D’Antoni’s system emphasizes Lin’s specific skillset and almost entirely hides his weaknesses. Seven Seconds or Less puts its point guard in the control room.
With a good roll man, it will almost always yield an opportunity for a high percentage shot, and if the point guard can sniff it out, things will go great. This should be no mystery to people. Remember that guy Steve Nash? He was supremely talented passer, but back in 2003 no one would have guessed that he would one day be a two-time MVP. Consider his numbers from his last four years in Dallas and his first four in Phoenix.

team 	     Assists/36 	TS%
Dallas 8.3 59.2%
Phoenix 11.5 63.4%

Those are some HUGE jumps for a guy who – 29 years old when he moved to sunny Phoenix – was supposed to be entering his twilight years. I don’t mean to say Lin is the new Nash, but they share those two critical skills.

Unfortunately, the one major difference between Lin and Nash is that Lin can’t shoot. One thing we have some reason to be concerned about here is what happens when Anthony and Stoudemire return? You have to remember that playing Jeremy Lin heavy minutes makes this team even more dependent on Seven Seconds or Less because as an off ball player, he is a huge liability. The isolation, a play which has been dreadfully ineffective for New York so far this year, will be even more useless. Will Anthony continue his solid team play, or will he revert to his old ways?

Maybe the best comparison here is the 2007-08 Celtics. A second year guard has emerged as a great playmaker, but will the newly-united stars share their spotlight with him for the benefit of the team? Their choices will decide the future of the nation of D’Anmelarélinson.

http://knickerblogger.net/the-daily-lin-the-future-of-the-nation-of-danmelarelinson/

Explain away that info BITCH!!!

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2/10/2012  10:58 AM
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martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

Even after seeing TD make PnR decisions this year, we still want the TD from 2+ years ago to get even more playing time than he did?

At that time, yes. The situation was different - we were a lottery bound team that should have been focused on developing talent.

My opinion, is you learn by doing, not watching.

Why is it that every other team in a similar circumstance (lotto bound, losing) plays its draft picks & tries to develop guys?

At the time, if I recall, Duhon was gassed and playing putrid. TD had shown glimpses of being a player. Maybe not a pick and roll/smart PG type, but a guy that deserved playing time.

You are absolutely correct in saying that the Knicks should have been focused on developing talent.

But what about the likes of Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, etc? They needed to be developed too and that can't be done at the expense of a PG who doesn't know what to do. MDA road Duhon for 3 months and then switched to TD.

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2/10/2012  11:09 AM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

Even after seeing TD make PnR decisions this year, we still want the TD from 2+ years ago to get even more playing time than he did?

At that time, yes. The situation was different - we were a lottery bound team that should have been focused on developing talent.

My opinion, is you learn by doing, not watching.

Why is it that every other team in a similar circumstance (lotto bound, losing) plays its draft picks & tries to develop guys?

At the time, if I recall, Duhon was gassed and playing putrid. TD had shown glimpses of being a player. Maybe not a pick and roll/smart PG type, but a guy that deserved playing time.

You are absolutely correct in saying that the Knicks should have been focused on developing talent.

But what about the likes of Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, etc? They needed to be developed too and that can't be done at the expense of a PG who doesn't know what to do. MDA road Duhon for 3 months and then switched to TD.

And after three years in the league, TD still doesn’t know how to be a descent point guard, some talent never develop even when they get playing time, they also get the coaches fired.

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mrKnickShot wrote:Simple basketball. Put in a 2 time MVP caliber PG and one of the top/efficient power forwards the game has seen, surround them with good roll players (or better JJ, JR ...), have them run the INDEFENSIBLE PNR, have players who can hit the 3, VOILA!! Highly EFFICIENT OFFENSE! I know there are other plays that you saw in your book/bible that are nice but us simpletons just don't appreciate. Every coach has plays - and maybe they are decent because he is a decent offensive coach - yay!!

Take out the highly efficient players, put in drek - bang! Low efficiency. Have a coach take a weak team, teach them, ride them to play their asses off, box out, scrap, dive ... win, that impresses the hell out of me.

While MDA is a good offensive coach which I said many times, you so underestimate Nash because of you SCARY MAN-CRUSH that it is sad. I feel for you buddy. And, as so many people have pointed out, you cannot give credit without ever placing blame, you lose all credibility when attempting to make an untarnished argument. You give credit to MDA for Lin ("he told Grunwald to get this guy because he liked what he saw") but all the sh1tty moves that the knicks annually make, oh! those were not his idea. COMICAL! Mostly SAD.

When it comes to defense and boxing out ... "the players, its the players blah blah blah" not MDA. But when you have Nash, Stat and team, oh it's the system! It works. It's proven.

GROW UP. Give the unconditional love to your family, your friends - not a coach who does not even know you exist. OR DOES HE??? HHHHHHMMMMM.

Enough for me with this pointless dialogue - it's like debating with Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

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I think that mDA should be given the rest of the season to see how he does, no excuses or BS. Have his team fight hard, complete every game, box out, play defense, limit the dumb 3's (or yank the fukka - BILLY WALKER) and be FLEXIBLE.

I do not root against him and have no personal vendetta (because I don't know him - or care about him). Do a good job here and everyone is happy. NY embraces a winner and hates excuses.

The team makes it to the second round of the playoffs and competes really hard and overachieves? Go ahead and extend him with a 2 year contract. If not? See ya Mike Martz!

Go MDA!!! Bring it home!


I've tried to post facts to help you understand what i'm talking about and make less about dumb insults and a more constructive conversation, but unfortunately you seem incapable of looking at logical facts when presented to you. I included the play diagrams to show you that it's more than just PnR and 3's. If you bothered to pay attention you'd see that some plays have screens and other plays have no screens even tho the PG can call for a screen at any time if the set gets broken down. Here is an excellent article that helps explain why Lin is having such a break out performance when he hasn't shown this level of ability in the NBA before.

There has been lots of talk of the regrets that previous GMs must be having now that Lin appears to be for real, yo. “How could a guy like this go undrafted?”

“How could he have been waived by all thirty-six teams, including the Anchorage Yetis?”

“Fire all the GMs!”

Maybe the appropriate place to start answering this question is by looking at Lin’s numbers this season and last:

Season 	Minutes Played 	Points/36 Assists/36 	AST% 	TS% 	USG% 	Steals/36 	Turnovers/36
2010-11 284 9.6 5.3 20.5% 45.8% 15.7% 4.2 2.3
2011-12 171 22.5 8.7 47.2% 61.3% 29.3% 1.7 4.0

That is quite the transformation. Perhaps you’re thinking that he spent last year in a cocoon, and now we’re seeing the beautiful butterfly spread its wings. I have another thought though.

Let me start by painting you a word-picture. Jeremy Lin is on the Lakers (don’t worry – we’re just imagining). He dribbles the ball up the court, and sees a scowling Kobe Bryant thrust his shoulder back into Thabo Sefolosha as he fights for position in the high post. He raises his hand up, calling for the ball, and Jeremy Lin begins to drop the ball into Kobe, but wait, what’s this? Westbrook drops off of Lin as he starts to pass, blocking the angle. Jeremy eyes the basket from 23 feet out, but then feels Kobe’s eyes burning on his cheeks, and so he reverses the ball, and after some screen action, Kobe receives the pass and begins to back Thabo down.

Except there are more problems. OKC doubles Kobe, and their defense rotates so that Lin is open on the weak side. Kobe now has two options: swing the ball to Lin so he can miss a three (or dribble in and take a low value long two), or he can do what Kobe do and jack up a shot with two defenders draped over him.

The Laker version of Jeremy Lin looks very similar to the Warrior version of Lin, and the reason why is because what these last three games have revealed is that he has two plus skills:

1. Reading the defense
2. Slashing to the rim

Those skills are only valuable when you have the ball in your hands, and it takes a great leap of faith for a coach to send an undrafted rookie out in the game and give him the green light to to attack. If you look at Lin’s shot selection last year in Golden State, 64% of his attempts were jump shots. He had a putrid eFG% of 29.3% on those shots. Lin was not creating when he was in Golden State. In the few minutes Keith Smart spared him last year, he likely told him to get the ball to a more established player. Most of his few field goal attempts likely came on kick outs, and if we’ve seen one notable flaw in Lin’s game, it’s that he cannot shoot. Not only is this pattern evidenced in Lin’s shot selection, it is clear from his meek 15.7% usage rate and much lower turnover rate.

By contrast, Lin’s 29.3% USG% this year is 11th in the league, just after Derrick Rose. It is higher than Amaré Stoudemire’s (26.8%). Combined, Lin’s USG% and AST% is 76.5%, so when he’s playing, Lin either shoots, turns the ball over, or assists on more than three-quarters of the Knicks’ possessions. That’s higher than Westbrook, Rose, and Paul, and slightly lower than the offense-starved Nets’ Deron Williams.

In addition, Lin’s skills are particularly well suited to D’Antoni’s offense. As we have seen from our point guard play this year and even from Chauncey Billups last year, the pick and roll is easy to run but hard to have consistent success with. This is because the passing angles and driving lanes change on every play. One time down, Lin might have a window to pass to Chandler as soon as he rolls to the basket. The next time down, he might have to cut diagonally towards the paint to get that angle, another he might have to hesitate at a certain spot and wait for the angle to develop. This doesn’t even take into account potential passes to perimeter players. There are a ton of decisions to make in a very short period of time, and if you miss your window to make a play, the defense will recover, and you will either have to reset, or you will end up with a low percentage shot.

So to answer the question, “Why has Lin been so successful?” it is mostly because D’Antoni’s system emphasizes Lin’s specific skillset and almost entirely hides his weaknesses. Seven Seconds or Less puts its point guard in the control room.
With a good roll man, it will almost always yield an opportunity for a high percentage shot, and if the point guard can sniff it out, things will go great. This should be no mystery to people. Remember that guy Steve Nash? He was supremely talented passer, but back in 2003 no one would have guessed that he would one day be a two-time MVP. Consider his numbers from his last four years in Dallas and his first four in Phoenix.

team 	     Assists/36 	TS%
Dallas 8.3 59.2%
Phoenix 11.5 63.4%

Those are some HUGE jumps for a guy who – 29 years old when he moved to sunny Phoenix – was supposed to be entering his twilight years. I don’t mean to say Lin is the new Nash, but they share those two critical skills.

Unfortunately, the one major difference between Lin and Nash is that Lin can’t shoot. One thing we have some reason to be concerned about here is what happens when Anthony and Stoudemire return? You have to remember that playing Jeremy Lin heavy minutes makes this team even more dependent on Seven Seconds or Less because as an off ball player, he is a huge liability. The isolation, a play which has been dreadfully ineffective for New York so far this year, will be even more useless. Will Anthony continue his solid team play, or will he revert to his old ways?

Maybe the best comparison here is the 2007-08 Celtics. A second year guard has emerged as a great playmaker, but will the newly-united stars share their spotlight with him for the benefit of the team? Their choices will decide the future of the nation of D’Anmelarélinson.

http://knickerblogger.net/the-daily-lin-the-future-of-the-nation-of-danmelarelinson/

Explain away that info BITCH!!!

That's a good article right thurrrr

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/10/2012  11:28 AM
KnicksFE wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Nalod wrote:

What most fans don'e know is how a coach can lose a team. If your acting on a whim you lose your team. Knicks went for it and it worked.

If you start flip-flopping philosophies, you lose credibility and respect.

Extend MDA.

You also lose credibility and respect if you don't adapt to changing circumstances. If MDA can get the team to finish strong and does a good job of coaching them for the rest of the season then I wouldn't be opposed to extending his contract (said it more than once).

I just don't want Dolan to hand D'Antoni a new contract without him showing that he's earned it, and the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. If that's "hating", then so be it.

MDA is a really good coach, but not great.

At times, he has overvalued players (Anthony Roberson anyone?), and other times, he's been too stubborn to try throwing someone else out there- like, if I recall, TD rookie year and Duhon was just dreadful.

We're not asking for Larry Brown and what he did, in terms of starting line ups and all.

But if MDA is ever going to be a great coach- and who doesn't want him to be great?- he has to be more flexible. Stick to your principals, but try new approaches.

I just wish he had marched Lin out earlier. I think we'd be much better off.

Even after seeing TD make PnR decisions this year, we still want the TD from 2+ years ago to get even more playing time than he did?

At that time, yes. The situation was different - we were a lottery bound team that should have been focused on developing talent.

My opinion, is you learn by doing, not watching.

Why is it that every other team in a similar circumstance (lotto bound, losing) plays its draft picks & tries to develop guys?

At the time, if I recall, Duhon was gassed and playing putrid. TD had shown glimpses of being a player. Maybe not a pick and roll/smart PG type, but a guy that deserved playing time.

You are absolutely correct in saying that the Knicks should have been focused on developing talent.

But what about the likes of Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, etc? They needed to be developed too and that can't be done at the expense of a PG who doesn't know what to do. MDA road Duhon for 3 months and then switched to TD.

And after three years in the league, TD still doesn’t know how to be a descent point guard, some talent never develop even when they get playing time, they also get the coaches fired.

there are two things with TD.

First, he is at best, a combo guard, and suited for coming off the bench like a Vinnie Johnson.

And second, I think the dude is still hurt, or recovering from his surgery in the off season.

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2/10/2012  12:11 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Simple basketball. Put in a 2 time MVP caliber PG and one of the top/efficient power forwards the game has seen, surround them with good roll players (or better JJ, JR ...), have them run the INDEFENSIBLE PNR, have players who can hit the 3, VOILA!! Highly EFFICIENT OFFENSE! I know there are other plays that you saw in your book/bible that are nice but us simpletons just don't appreciate. Every coach has plays - and maybe they are decent because he is a decent offensive coach - yay!!

Take out the highly efficient players, put in drek - bang! Low efficiency. Have a coach take a weak team, teach them, ride them to play their asses off, box out, scrap, dive ... win, that impresses the hell out of me.

While MDA is a good offensive coach which I said many times, you so underestimate Nash because of you SCARY MAN-CRUSH that it is sad. I feel for you buddy. And, as so many people have pointed out, you cannot give credit without ever placing blame, you lose all credibility when attempting to make an untarnished argument. You give credit to MDA for Lin ("he told Grunwald to get this guy because he liked what he saw") but all the sh1tty moves that the knicks annually make, oh! those were not his idea. COMICAL! Mostly SAD.

When it comes to defense and boxing out ... "the players, its the players blah blah blah" not MDA. But when you have Nash, Stat and team, oh it's the system! It works. It's proven.

GROW UP. Give the unconditional love to your family, your friends - not a coach who does not even know you exist. OR DOES HE??? HHHHHHMMMMM.

Enough for me with this pointless dialogue - it's like debating with Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that mDA should be given the rest of the season to see how he does, no excuses or BS. Have his team fight hard, complete every game, box out, play defense, limit the dumb 3's (or yank the fukka - BILLY WALKER) and be FLEXIBLE.

I do not root against him and have no personal vendetta (because I don't know him - or care about him). Do a good job here and everyone is happy. NY embraces a winner and hates excuses.

The team makes it to the second round of the playoffs and competes really hard and overachieves? Go ahead and extend him with a 2 year contract. If not? See ya Mike Martz!

Go MDA!!! Bring it home!


I've tried to post facts to help you understand what i'm talking about and make less about dumb insults and a more constructive conversation, but unfortunately you seem incapable of looking at logical facts when presented to you. I included the play diagrams to show you that it's more than just PnR and 3's. If you bothered to pay attention you'd see that some plays have screens and other plays have no screens even tho the PG can call for a screen at any time if the set gets broken down. Here is an excellent article that helps explain why Lin is having such a break out performance when he hasn't shown this level of ability in the NBA before.

There has been lots of talk of the regrets that previous GMs must be having now that Lin appears to be for real, yo. “How could a guy like this go undrafted?”

“How could he have been waived by all thirty-six teams, including the Anchorage Yetis?”

“Fire all the GMs!”

Maybe the appropriate place to start answering this question is by looking at Lin’s numbers this season and last:

Season 	Minutes Played 	Points/36 Assists/36 	AST% 	TS% 	USG% 	Steals/36 	Turnovers/36
2010-11 284 9.6 5.3 20.5% 45.8% 15.7% 4.2 2.3
2011-12 171 22.5 8.7 47.2% 61.3% 29.3% 1.7 4.0

That is quite the transformation. Perhaps you’re thinking that he spent last year in a cocoon, and now we’re seeing the beautiful butterfly spread its wings. I have another thought though.

Let me start by painting you a word-picture. Jeremy Lin is on the Lakers (don’t worry – we’re just imagining). He dribbles the ball up the court, and sees a scowling Kobe Bryant thrust his shoulder back into Thabo Sefolosha as he fights for position in the high post. He raises his hand up, calling for the ball, and Jeremy Lin begins to drop the ball into Kobe, but wait, what’s this? Westbrook drops off of Lin as he starts to pass, blocking the angle. Jeremy eyes the basket from 23 feet out, but then feels Kobe’s eyes burning on his cheeks, and so he reverses the ball, and after some screen action, Kobe receives the pass and begins to back Thabo down.

Except there are more problems. OKC doubles Kobe, and their defense rotates so that Lin is open on the weak side. Kobe now has two options: swing the ball to Lin so he can miss a three (or dribble in and take a low value long two), or he can do what Kobe do and jack up a shot with two defenders draped over him.

The Laker version of Jeremy Lin looks very similar to the Warrior version of Lin, and the reason why is because what these last three games have revealed is that he has two plus skills:

1. Reading the defense
2. Slashing to the rim

Those skills are only valuable when you have the ball in your hands, and it takes a great leap of faith for a coach to send an undrafted rookie out in the game and give him the green light to to attack. If you look at Lin’s shot selection last year in Golden State, 64% of his attempts were jump shots. He had a putrid eFG% of 29.3% on those shots. Lin was not creating when he was in Golden State. In the few minutes Keith Smart spared him last year, he likely told him to get the ball to a more established player. Most of his few field goal attempts likely came on kick outs, and if we’ve seen one notable flaw in Lin’s game, it’s that he cannot shoot. Not only is this pattern evidenced in Lin’s shot selection, it is clear from his meek 15.7% usage rate and much lower turnover rate.

By contrast, Lin’s 29.3% USG% this year is 11th in the league, just after Derrick Rose. It is higher than Amaré Stoudemire’s (26.8%). Combined, Lin’s USG% and AST% is 76.5%, so when he’s playing, Lin either shoots, turns the ball over, or assists on more than three-quarters of the Knicks’ possessions. That’s higher than Westbrook, Rose, and Paul, and slightly lower than the offense-starved Nets’ Deron Williams.

In addition, Lin’s skills are particularly well suited to D’Antoni’s offense. As we have seen from our point guard play this year and even from Chauncey Billups last year, the pick and roll is easy to run but hard to have consistent success with. This is because the passing angles and driving lanes change on every play. One time down, Lin might have a window to pass to Chandler as soon as he rolls to the basket. The next time down, he might have to cut diagonally towards the paint to get that angle, another he might have to hesitate at a certain spot and wait for the angle to develop. This doesn’t even take into account potential passes to perimeter players. There are a ton of decisions to make in a very short period of time, and if you miss your window to make a play, the defense will recover, and you will either have to reset, or you will end up with a low percentage shot.

So to answer the question, “Why has Lin been so successful?” it is mostly because D’Antoni’s system emphasizes Lin’s specific skillset and almost entirely hides his weaknesses. Seven Seconds or Less puts its point guard in the control room.
With a good roll man, it will almost always yield an opportunity for a high percentage shot, and if the point guard can sniff it out, things will go great. This should be no mystery to people. Remember that guy Steve Nash? He was supremely talented passer, but back in 2003 no one would have guessed that he would one day be a two-time MVP. Consider his numbers from his last four years in Dallas and his first four in Phoenix.

team 	     Assists/36 	TS%
Dallas 8.3 59.2%
Phoenix 11.5 63.4%

Those are some HUGE jumps for a guy who – 29 years old when he moved to sunny Phoenix – was supposed to be entering his twilight years. I don’t mean to say Lin is the new Nash, but they share those two critical skills.

Unfortunately, the one major difference between Lin and Nash is that Lin can’t shoot. One thing we have some reason to be concerned about here is what happens when Anthony and Stoudemire return? You have to remember that playing Jeremy Lin heavy minutes makes this team even more dependent on Seven Seconds or Less because as an off ball player, he is a huge liability. The isolation, a play which has been dreadfully ineffective for New York so far this year, will be even more useless. Will Anthony continue his solid team play, or will he revert to his old ways?

Maybe the best comparison here is the 2007-08 Celtics. A second year guard has emerged as a great playmaker, but will the newly-united stars share their spotlight with him for the benefit of the team? Their choices will decide the future of the nation of D’Anmelarélinson.

http://knickerblogger.net/the-daily-lin-the-future-of-the-nation-of-danmelarelinson/

Explain away that info BITCH!!!

That's a good article right thurrrr

Yeah I really thought it captured what is happening with Lin and how he's been able to make such a huge jump. This is the perfect situation for Lin to be in. His talent fits the description of what you want from a PG in SSOL. I only hope he can continue to develop his game and that when STAT and Melo get back they let him do his thing. I'm sure that STAT will, but the only question is Melo.

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2/10/2012  12:28 PM
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nixluva wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:This system svcks, I hate SSOL.
Mediocre teams are owning us.
I do not believe that playing in this system can lead to a championship.
Nobody can convince me otherwise.
We need a new coach.
I wish that JVG would come back....I don't want that prima donna Phil Jax.

1st of all the Knicks aren't playing SSOL. SSOL was the fastbreak offense that the Suns played. We haven't run SSOL since MDA has been here!!!

2nd, this team was 2nd leading scoring team in the league last year!!! WTF have you been watching? the problem with this team has always been the defense. That's the reason why I keep saying that there's nothing wrong with the system.

There really aren't a lot of different defensive schemes that pro teams run. It's about execution and effort on D. Also you need defensive talent too. Right now our best defender is Shumpert, a rookie!!!

The team needs a TON of work on the defensive end, but we are talking about a team that has never been good defensively so it's just gonna take some more work. I think we need STAT in particular to play with better concentration on defense. He's constantly making bad defensive plays. It should help to get Jared back in the mix, cuz he's a very solid TEAM defender, which we need more of.

Your posts are actually comical because you think that there's nothing wrong with the system.
For one thing, where is the rebounding after the three point shots are attempted?
What's our record since we acquired Melo? Something like 16-22? Not good. It's the system, man.
D'Antoni is the wrong coach with the wrong system for this team as constructed. Period.

We are one injury away to Melo or Chandler to this getting coyote UGLY in a hurry....did you even hear the BOO BIRDS tonight?
And, please don't try to tell me that we're not playing a form of SSOL! How many threes have we shot in the past few games? LOL....carry on with your unjustified man love for .

Mark my words, IF he is still the head coach for the rest of the season, it'll be a miracle.
Personally, I don't think he lasts the season. He's headed to Toronto next year (:thank goodness:). Then MAYBE somebody like JVG can actually implement a REAL system here(cause there ain't one here now).

I just started reading this thread from the beginning.

KNICKSBIGCATS...what do you think now?

Doesn't it kind of seem like most teams would suck with no real PG?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
There's nothing wrong with the System

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