fishmike wrote:this may well end up being that "one player away."

People here hate on MDA and the Knicks have been so deprived of defense that they have forgotten that skill on offense matters. Baron Davis is a top offensive talent. Anyone that says he's not a great shooter or passer simply doesnt know his game.

This guy loves basketball and loves running a team. He's never been on a great team. He's always had to do things himself, much like KG did in Sota. When this guy is healthy he is going to make this offense epic. Of this I have zero doubt.

Douglas will be the first guard off the bench. Douglas will get minutes in 3 guard sets and as backup SG and PG. Toney Douglas will get 30 mpg. He's our Bobby Jackson or Jason Terry. Whats even better is he will be able to be more aggressive as we will need his bench scoring and he can take more risks on D over playing passing lanes etc.

This team will need some time to gel, but I have no doubts we will be winning games in the meantime. Just get healthy by spring and I 100% believe we compete for a title this year.

Who do you guard? You simply cant double Amare/Melo with Baron Davis on the floor. He will find the open man for a dunk or abuse your PG off the dribble. People seem to forget how good this guy is.

I love TD in that Jason Terry role.....I hope he buys into that role, because thats going to be his best position right now in his current career. He simply doesn't impact the game when playing PG.

BD is nasty...but the only problem I see is that he's used to being the man most of his career. This is why an older BD is better, than a young BD. Now he should understand that pounding the ball the entire time, and icing your teamates doesn't win games or championships. But you will see his value on fast breaks, steals and special offensive sets or out of bounds plays. Also, when Melo and Stat are doubled, BD will either find his shot or find others. He's a solid shooter, when his shot is on! But he's another volume shooter, so lets hope he reduces thoughs 3 pt attempts. Personally, I doubt it. He will have the most attempts by the end of the year....mark my words. But they will be more open shot attempts this time.

Time to get NBA league Pass.....I'm jealous of you guys living in NYC. I'm closer to NYC in Bmore compared to Arizona...But still don't get MSG or YES network. I don't even know if there are any local bars in Maryland that shows Knick games.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:this may well end up being that "one player away."

People here hate on MDA and the Knicks have been so deprived of defense that they have forgotten that skill on offense matters. Baron Davis is a top offensive talent. Anyone that says he's not a great shooter or passer simply doesnt know his game.

This guy loves basketball and loves running a team. He's never been on a great team. He's always had to do things himself, much like KG did in Sota. When this guy is healthy he is going to make this offense epic. Of this I have zero doubt.

Douglas will be the first guard off the bench. Douglas will get minutes in 3 guard sets and as backup SG and PG. Toney Douglas will get 30 mpg. He's our Bobby Jackson or Jason Terry. Whats even better is he will be able to be more aggressive as we will need his bench scoring and he can take more risks on D over playing passing lanes etc.

This team will need some time to gel, but I have no doubts we will be winning games in the meantime. Just get healthy by spring and I 100% believe we compete for a title this year.

Who do you guard? You simply cant double Amare/Melo with Baron Davis on the floor. He will find the open man for a dunk or abuse your PG off the dribble. People seem to forget how good this guy is.

Sounds great fishy, if only that were the Davis we were getting! I just don't buy that he's faking the severity of his injury. Maybe being a Knicks fan has made me callous, but I'll believe he'll be back in time to make a difference, and not be in and out of the line up for the entire year when I see it. I'll refer everyone to the following list of dashed hopes: H20, Penny, Steve Francis, Mobley, Azellena Bukkake, etc.

I'll hope, but I won't count on him.

This is it here, this is the money ball.

This signing carries the aura of ugly cabbage and it reminds me of the many examples of teams, not just the Knicks team, signing some former All-Star on the steep decline of his career.

did anyone who is saying davis is in "deep decline" actually watch him play last year? like, at all? all those blake griffin alley oop passes are from last year. all those cavs highlights are last year. the knicks aren't asking him to score 20ppg here. they're asking him to score maybe 12-15ppg and run the offense. He will do that.

He maximizes Tyson Chandler on offense. Heck, he maximizes Amare and Melo. He makes the game easier for everyone.

seriously, listen to blake griffin talk about playing with Baron LAST YEAR.

and this isn't about a savior - this is about completing the puzzle. this isn't about a bad fit - this is about a guy who is the PERFECT fit for a team with a beastly frontcourt that needs an orchestrator at the point. this is about as perfect a fit as the knicks could find.

MaTT4281 wrote:

a little late, I posted this on page 4 but its a great video though

crzymdups wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:this may well end up being that "one player away."

People here hate on MDA and the Knicks have been so deprived of defense that they have forgotten that skill on offense matters. Baron Davis is a top offensive talent. Anyone that says he's not a great shooter or passer simply doesnt know his game.

This guy loves basketball and loves running a team. He's never been on a great team. He's always had to do things himself, much like KG did in Sota. When this guy is healthy he is going to make this offense epic. Of this I have zero doubt.

Douglas will be the first guard off the bench. Douglas will get minutes in 3 guard sets and as backup SG and PG. Toney Douglas will get 30 mpg. He's our Bobby Jackson or Jason Terry. Whats even better is he will be able to be more aggressive as we will need his bench scoring and he can take more risks on D over playing passing lanes etc.

This team will need some time to gel, but I have no doubts we will be winning games in the meantime. Just get healthy by spring and I 100% believe we compete for a title this year.

Who do you guard? You simply cant double Amare/Melo with Baron Davis on the floor. He will find the open man for a dunk or abuse your PG off the dribble. People seem to forget how good this guy is.

Sounds great fishy, if only that were the Davis we were getting! I just don't buy that he's faking the severity of his injury. Maybe being a Knicks fan has made me callous, but I'll believe he'll be back in time to make a difference, and not be in and out of the line up for the entire year when I see it. I'll refer everyone to the following list of dashed hopes: H20, Penny, Steve Francis, Mobley, Azellena Bukkake, etc.

I'll hope, but I won't count on him.

This is it here, this is the money ball.

This signing carries the aura of ugly cabbage and it reminds me of the many examples of teams, not just the Knicks team, signing some former All-Star on the steep decline of his career.

did anyone who is saying davis is in "deep decline" actually watch him play last year? like, at all? all those blake griffin alley oop passes are from last year. all those cavs highlights are last year. the knicks aren't asking him to score 20ppg here. they're asking him to score maybe 12-15ppg and run the offense. He will do that.

He maximizes Tyson Chandler on offense. Heck, he maximizes Amare and Melo. He makes the game easier for everyone.

seriously, listen to blake griffin talk about playing with Baron LAST YEAR.

and this isn't about a savior - this is about completing the puzzle. this isn't about a bad fit - this is about a guy who is the PERFECT fit for a team with a beastly frontcourt that needs an orchestrator at the point. this is about as perfect a fit as the knicks could find.

I think this is a perfect fit 3-4 yrs ago.....He's injury prone at this stage in his career. Thats going to be his only weakness right now. So it's going to be a mix of luck and how the coaching staff use him. If it was up to MDA, he would run BD and Amari into the ground right before the playoffs. Just in time to get knocked out of the 1st round, with the key guys on the bench in suits, wondering what if....

You have to be careful how you play a motivated BD. NYC is known to force guys to over do it. Playing with Melo, Stat and Tyson must be like giving a kid candy to BD. Lets just hope he's smart enough to stay injury free.

Knicks still in the chase for Posey with the room.

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
By the way, I'm told Baron signed for the vet's minimum ($1.4 mil), not the room exception ($2.5 mil). So Knicks still in chase for Posey
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All in all, I also believe he is a much better point guard than Billups, specially being 4 years young.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:this may well end up being that "one player away."

People here hate on MDA and the Knicks have been so deprived of defense that they have forgotten that skill on offense matters. Baron Davis is a top offensive talent. Anyone that says he's not a great shooter or passer simply doesnt know his game.

This guy loves basketball and loves running a team. He's never been on a great team. He's always had to do things himself, much like KG did in Sota. When this guy is healthy he is going to make this offense epic. Of this I have zero doubt.

Douglas will be the first guard off the bench. Douglas will get minutes in 3 guard sets and as backup SG and PG. Toney Douglas will get 30 mpg. He's our Bobby Jackson or Jason Terry. Whats even better is he will be able to be more aggressive as we will need his bench scoring and he can take more risks on D over playing passing lanes etc.

This team will need some time to gel, but I have no doubts we will be winning games in the meantime. Just get healthy by spring and I 100% believe we compete for a title this year.

Who do you guard? You simply cant double Amare/Melo with Baron Davis on the floor. He will find the open man for a dunk or abuse your PG off the dribble. People seem to forget how good this guy is.

I love TD in that Jason Terry role.....I hope he buys into that role, because thats going to be his best position right now in his current career. He simply doesn't impact the game when playing PG.

BD is nasty...but the only problem I see is that he's used to being the man most of his career. This is why an older BD is better, than a young BD. Now he should understand that pounding the ball the entire time, and icing your teamates doesn't win games or championships. But you will see his value on fast breaks, steals and special offensive sets or out of bounds plays. Also, when Melo and Stat are doubled, BD will either find his shot or find others. He's a solid shooter, when his shot is on! But he's another volume shooter, so lets hope he reduces thoughs 3 pt attempts. Personally, I doubt it. He will have the most attempts by the end of the year....mark my words. But they will be more open shot attempts this time.

Time to get NBA league Pass.....I'm jealous of you guys living in NYC. I'm closer to NYC in Bmore compared to Arizona...But still don't get MSG or YES network. I don't even know if there are any local bars in Maryland that shows Knick games.

Health concerns are an issue, which is why the depth with Shump/TD is important. That being said he's not a run/jump guy. Never was. This is not a scenario where Steve Francis breaks a wheel and isnt a good NBA player.

This move could fizzle... every move can, but the piece is the right fit.

Davis is the kind of player who will enjoy setting up easy shots as much as making them. You just watch. This is the right pick for this offense.

Panos wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Davis signed for the veteran's minimum. Now can people be happy?

Knicks still in the chase for Posey with the room.

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
By the way, I'm told Baron signed for the vet's minimum ($1.4 mil), not the room exception ($2.5 mil). So Knicks still in chase for Posey
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crzy, I'm not saying I'm not pleased with the signing. Its low risk. All good. Just saying, I don't expect much from it. I'll be thrilled to be wrong about it, though.

wasn't singling you out - a lot of people earlier in the thread were worried he took the room exception and we wouldn't be able to add another piece. but he took the minimum. thought it was worth mentioning.