nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Panos wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Panos wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing people don't seem to realize when it comes to Mike, is that he knows when he has a player that can excel in what he needs a player to do. He's been around some of the best players on the planet when in PHX and on the Olympic team and he knows what he's looking at when it comes to players. The guys we've let go haven't set the NBA world on Fire. He's here trying to help Donnie put together a championship team. AR and Hill couldn't cut it. Fields and Williams could. Not that AR and Hill can't become decent NBA players, but that's not the point. We're trying to build the BEST TEAM we can. Some guys just don't fit into that plan.

Dude, seriously why do u have to lick Mike's balls in every post? This is some serious man crush u have going.

I was stating facts, so how is that going into a man crush? Mike has a certain type of player that usually does well with him and you see similarities with guys he's had before. You know the type. High skill level and high IQ or at least a specialist with an NBA skill. Overall he loves guys that can play in the team concept and go hard in practice. Guys like Diaw and Fields come to mind right away among many. But he's good with Stars too. His history is that he usually gets the MAX out of his good players. Tell me where i'm wrong so far.

Its not just this one post. You seem to feel the need to defend D'Antoni in every thread, like the man doesn't have a fault.

Its called Rationalization & Justification. Whatever Mike does, he was right.

Its not normal, and frightening the lack of critical thinking that goes into some of these posts.

I don't know what either of you are getting at. I've posted stats in threads to support what I believe and i've given rational explanations to support what I believe to be the truth about D'Antoni. I've been consistent in my support of him, cuz I fully understand what he's trying to do and IMO many of you are ignoring the facts when looking to point out his failings. Like the absurdly high turnover we've had over the last 3 years. You all know that it's almost unprecedented how many players we've cycled thru and one of the most important things any coach needs to succeed besides good players, is some level of consistency in the roster. That's the only way a coach can get the most out of the players he has.

Being able to come up with a good rotation and develop defensive and offensive chemistry. If you keep making major changes it's nearly impossible to get anything going. Just when you start to get into a good routine, the trade rumors start and boom you make roster changes. That has to be acknowledged as a major factor in Mike's ability to get the most out of this team. Mike has done a good job of adjusting to this new group on the fly. The players seem to be responding to him as well. So i'm happy with how things are going so far.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Hey, Randolph gets 6 minutes in Minnesota BLOW OUT WIN. Another team, same results.

He is sick but it also maybe that Darko is back.

Thu, Mar 10

Randolph (illness) scored 14 points with seven rebounds in 19 minutes in Wednesday's loss to Indiana.

Recommendation: Randolph has been battling an illness the past few days and missed practice Tuesday, but he's healthy enough to play.

(Rotowire.com)

The same Darko that sucked as a knick. Time to let it go crush. Getting embarrassing following ex Knicks on crappy teams.

Apologies for the tough love.

He never played in NY so he didn't even get the chance to suck. He totaled 71 minutes in 8 games. He is having a nice year in Minny and has unbelievable size.

Darko also admitted he didn't try hard enough here. Hey, I wanted him to work out, but he didn't even try here - he has admitted that.

There was a report from Alan Hahn that AR didn't practice hard all year until RIGHT before the trade deadline.

A guy puts in that kind of minimal effort - you cut him loose. This isn't daycare - this is a business. The business is not to get these guys with great size and tools to put up stats, it's to get them to play in a way that contributes to winning. AR and Darko did NOT try in NY. They just did not try.

I wish one or both of them had - but I'm not going to pin that on MDA or Donnie. AR is a prima donna. Darko kind of was, too. I loved AR - I loved that move for the team - but I was sickened by how poorly he played. He clearly wasn't listening to anything the coaching staff said. He had the tools to do what Jeffries does for this team, but also score about 12-14ppg. He should have been a major piece for this team. He sucked. He was a little baby. I lament the fact that he's a baby - in a few years he'll be more mature and maybe ready to suck it up and play ball. But that's the kind of situation that costs everybody jobs.

Of all the guys we gave up on in the Melo trade, AR is one of the biggest losses in my opinion. But the guy did it to himself.

what you said

Darko was a locker room cancer and HAD to go. You cannot have one guy going through he motions while the others are working hard.

Anthony Randolph missed going to college and desperately missed the guidance of someone like John Thompson or John Cheney.

By the time Mozgov reaches his third NBA season, he will be a tough man to contend with in the paint. This year is a blur to him.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Hey, Randolph gets 6 minutes in Minnesota BLOW OUT WIN. Another team, same results.

He is sick but it also maybe that Darko is back.

Thu, Mar 10

Randolph (illness) scored 14 points with seven rebounds in 19 minutes in Wednesday's loss to Indiana.

Recommendation: Randolph has been battling an illness the past few days and missed practice Tuesday, but he's healthy enough to play.

(Rotowire.com)

The same Darko that sucked as a knick. Time to let it go crush. Getting embarrassing following ex Knicks on crappy teams.

Apologies for the tough love.

He never played in NY so he didn't even get the chance to suck. He totaled 71 minutes in 8 games. He is having a nice year in Minny and has unbelievable size.

Darko also admitted he didn't try hard enough here. Hey, I wanted him to work out, but he didn't even try here - he has admitted that.

There was a report from Alan Hahn that AR didn't practice hard all year until RIGHT before the trade deadline.

A guy puts in that kind of minimal effort - you cut him loose. This isn't daycare - this is a business. The business is not to get these guys with great size and tools to put up stats, it's to get them to play in a way that contributes to winning. AR and Darko did NOT try in NY. They just did not try.

I wish one or both of them had - but I'm not going to pin that on MDA or Donnie. AR is a prima donna. Darko kind of was, too. I loved AR - I loved that move for the team - but I was sickened by how poorly he played. He clearly wasn't listening to anything the coaching staff said. He had the tools to do what Jeffries does for this team, but also score about 12-14ppg. He should have been a major piece for this team. He sucked. He was a little baby. I lament the fact that he's a baby - in a few years he'll be more mature and maybe ready to suck it up and play ball. But that's the kind of situation that costs everybody jobs.

Of all the guys we gave up on in the Melo trade, AR is one of the biggest losses in my opinion. But the guy did it to himself.

I disagree about this. I think Randolph had a part in his lack of success in NY but there was a thread at the time of the trade where it was speculated that he might be the kind of guy that would D'Antoni wouldn't play. It was pretty evident watching the Milan game that Randolph was not going to be one of D'Antoni's guys. I wonder how things would have turned out if Randolph was Dan D'Antoni's project player and got that kind of attention and guidance. He has tremendous talent and was coming off of an injury. He was the youngest guy on the team. In my opinion, he could have been handled a bit differently.

Crush, it's a shame AR never got anything more than 1 game of over 12 minutes of action in any games he played for the Knicks. In 5 games he's played for Minny where he's exceeded 12 minutes of action he's averaged 11 pts, 6 rebounds & 1 block per game in 20 minutes per game, pretty much in line with his season's average from last year. For fans of this team or for the coach to expect him to somehow be playing like a seasoned pro in SSOL in the limited run he got is very unrealistic. I think he's shown he can produce when given the minutes.

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:Crush, it's a shame AR never got anything more than 1 game of over 12 minutes of action in any games he played for the Knicks. In 5 games he's played for Minny where he's exceeded 12 minutes of action he's averaged 11 pts, 6 rebounds & 1 block per game in 20 minutes per game, pretty much in line with his season's average from last year. For fans of this team or for the coach to expect him to somehow be playing like a seasoned pro in SSOL in the limited run he got is very unrealistic. I think he's shown he can produce when given the minutes.

At the start of the season AR Was getting minutes and we were losing...it's tough for me to say we could be winning giving him the minutes when he's playing on a team with Kevin love and still losing.

I'd rather see jefferies in great position to deny a last ditch ally oop by a team and not be worried. I like having a player that sees his man and sees the ball.

We are set in terms of athleticism. It's smarts from here on out IMHO.

this argument that Jeffries helps us win more games than AR can never fails to puzzle me, i have no idea what u guys are basing this on... Jeffries was averaging 28 minutes a game on the Knicks last year where our record was 19W - 33L in those games, what makes u think he gives us a better chance to win than AR does? if i'm misunderstanding your argument here my bad, but that doesn't really fly with how things have played out, for as long as Fishlips has been a Knick we've been a horrible basketball team as well, so making an argument that AR can only contribute on a losing team goes against any logic as to why anyone should prefer Jared Jeffries instead... for my money i'd rather have a player that can put up the numbers AR has been able to put up even in losses over a player like Jeffries who regularly puts up some of the saddest looking statlines i've ever seen in the amount of minutes he's on the floor & let the win come as it may... again, i'm not arguing that we shouldn't have traded AR he was a necessary piece to get Melo to NY, but i do take exception to how he was handled while he was a Knick i think he should have gotten more than just 1 game where he was given any appreciable amount of minutes in a game when DW was so high on him to acquire him to begin with.

I mean Seriously??

earthmansurfer wrote:AR last night against GS, a loss, the game where Kevin Love's double double streak ended.

20 mins, 8pts on 2-6 FG, 4-6 FT, 2rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 2pf

He had a -17 +-, lowest on team. It was against GS, his ex team!

Jared Jeffries last nite against a crappy Pacers squad

20 mins, 0 pts on 0-3 FG, 0-2 FT, 5 rebounds, 0 assists 0 block, 3pf -10

TMS - You are preaching to the choir. I wasn't a big fan of Jeffries and thought we should have used AR in that role or at least try it out. It would have been really interesting to see how that would have worked out, but AR's IQ just didn't sit well with coach. Where as Jeffries has an IQ but no offense. Anyway, this was the AR thread so I posted his latest game.

A part of me does root for AR and all those players we traded, as I just hated the trade for obvious reasons (circumstances of Melo's situation).

TMS wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Thanks for the info Franko. Perhaps AR is a bit like Eddy Curry in that his BBIQ just isn't there, though I doubt it's as low as Curry's was. He always showed flashes of greatness. A bit like Tyrus Thomas did and he ended up being a role player (last I checked - I don't keep up with him), albeit dominant at times.

TMS - You are preaching to the choir. I wasn't a big fan of Jeffries and thought we should have used AR in that role or at least try it out. It would have been really interesting to see how that would have worked out, but AR's IQ just didn't sit well with coach. Where as Jeffries has an IQ but no offense. Anyway, this was the AR thread so I posted his latest game.

A part of me does root for AR and all those players we traded, as I just hated the trade for obvious reasons (circumstances of Melo's situation).

it's all good ur free to hate the trade or love the trade, that's your call... just noting that Jeffries has been pretty much putting up donuts in every game he's played so far i can't understand how MDA is so infatuated w/his impact to me it's pretty minimal at best.

Could not have said it better myself.

CrushAlot wrote:Randolph scored 10 points with eight rebounds in 15 minutes in Wednesday's loss to Utah.

Recommendation: After struggling with an illness the prior week, Randolph looks healthy and is getting about 15 minutes per game off the bench. His role could grow the final few weeks as Minnesota looks toward next season.

lol. he got that crap in garbage time. let it go.