orangeblobman wrote:Is it not obvious Denver is jerking our chain here? Is that not obvious? If these demands are true, this is a big stupid joke. I doubt Donnie would still be in this negotiation. This can't be Donnie calling the shots, it just can't. Disgusting.

It was nice while it lasted.

Unfortunately, the Knicks history with front office meddling returns to the foreground once again.

Donnie Walsh is packing up his office as we speak.

NYKBocker wrote:

colorfl1 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:People need to look at history for these kind of trades. 2 NFL trades that was similar was the Ricky Williams Saints trade and the Hershel Walker Dallas trade. Those trades helped the team that is getting all the players while the team that got that 1 price struggled. It's not just that the team did not have enough players to fill other holes in the team but the pressure on that lone player is too great.

Has there been any trades like this in the NBA other than the Jabbar trade(which actually worked)?

I too believe 2 picks, Felton, Galo, Chandler and Randolph is far too high a price to pay.

But you cannot draw an example from the NFL where you need to field extensive offensive and defensive rosters to compete.
The NBA is a different beast, a star is going to play 35-40 minutes & 3 stars makes an elite team.

I disagree. You bake a cake with same ingredients just different ratio. Basketball has a smaller team so in effect a trade of 1 extremely good player for a slew of very good players is almost similar to trading Ricky Williams for your 7 draft picks. The effect will be the same. It is going to be hard to replace these players with the salary cap. Plus, the whole weight of the world is going to be on Melo. Any sign of trouble and people will point to him as the reason. He will always be the player that we broke up the whole team for. Do you think he will be able to handle the criticism?

We're gonna end up being a bit more like the Heat. Their big 3 take the bulk of the shots. Here it will be about the same, Amar'e, Melo and Billups will take the bulk of the shots. Fields, Williams and Walker will increase their shots a bit to make up for Gallo.

The Knicks avg. 84 shots a game:

Amar'e avg's 19 shots a game
Melo 19 shots
Billups 10 shots

Felton avg'd 15, Chandler 14 and Gallo 10. Billups will take a few more shots and the extra shots will be absorbed by Douglas, Fields, Williams and Walker

Childs2Dudley wrote:Chandler, Randolph, Curry and add in Mozgov if need be. That's the most I'd go up to.

No Felton, no Fields, no Gallinari.

Same. That's all we should offer at this point. Ujiri and Kroenke are stupid idiots. They just set us up to get Melo in FA. I think if it goes down this way, it's an IDEAL situation for us because we have already made our final/solid offer and they asked for more. Now Melo can't react as if we didn't want him. He'll say in Denver until the summer and then sign with the Knicks.

We keep Felton, Gallo, Fields AND Moz.

I just hope Donnie Walnuts has a couple of minor trades ready to go to move AR, Chandler and Turiaf before the deadline for expiring talent or a solid backup PG.

Moonangie wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Chandler, Randolph, Curry and add in Mozgov if need be. That's the most I'd go up to.

No Felton, no Fields, no Gallinari.

Same. That's all we should offer at this point. Ujiri and Kroenke are stupid idiots. They just set us up to get Melo in FA. I think if it goes down this way, it's an IDEAL situation for us because we have already made our final/solid offer and they asked for more. Now Melo can't react as if we didn't want him. He'll say in Denver until the summer and then sign with the Knicks.

We keep Felton, Gallo, Fields AND Moz.

I just hope Donnie Walnuts has a couple of minor trades ready to go to move AR, Chandler and Turiaf before the deadline for expiring talent or a solid backup PG.

Hope you're right.

Allanfan20 wrote:

JayNYC wrote:Dont know how true this is, especially in light of how this whole Melo Drama has ran its course... But apparently Reports out of Denver say Melo will be a NY Knick and it appears that David Stern is aware of the deal. Does'nt appear that Mosgov is a sticking point.

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17440130

According to that, we keep Randolph.

Nahhh I think Randolph goes to Minnesota for the 1st rd pick. WE'LL SEE

colorfl1 wrote:

While final details were still being negotiated, the latest trade offer includes New York sending guard Raymond Felton, forwards Wilson Chand-ler and Danilo Gallinari, centers Timofey Mozgov and Eddy Curry and a first-round draft pick to the Nuggets for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter or Renaldo Balkman, according to NBA sources.
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17440130

I praying they bail on this:

Players 23 and under:
Randolph= 1 pick
Mozgov= 1 pick
Galo- 1 pick+
+ 2014 pick

That is 4 1st round picks, + a potential 6 man of the year in a young Chandler

and we exchange the healthy contract of Felton for the bloated contract of Billups.

We are bidding against ourselves, I cannot see Donnie doing something so stupid, and killing his legacy by getting so squeezed by Denver and the Nyets

Always nice when the opposition actually broadcasts what he is doing to screw us.

Prokhorov, who attended Saturday's meeting with Anthony, admitted in an interview Sunday with CNBC 's Darren Rovell that he decided to get back into negotiations with Denver just to keep pressure on the Knicks.

"I think we made a very good tactical decision to force [the] Knicks to pay as much as they can," Prokhorov told CNBC. "So it's very good, it's very interesting, it's very competitive."

We are already gaining credibility with our current roster. Our guys are improving, they have team chemistry, we can likely get to the second round with this squad especially if we retain the 6th seed. Once the Melodrama ends, our guys should start playing better without all the stress of a looming trade hanging over their heads.

Our trade position will only get better over time. We can resign Chandler and extend Gallo. They will be great assets for us as players or trade chips in 2012.

The way I see it, Denver is doing us a favor here. They are making it MORE likely that we sign Melo in the summer. I don't need to contend this season. In fact, I never expected to do so.

Nalod wrote:Jabbar trade worked but it took a few years for it to come together.

Imagine 3 years in MSG to build around Amare and Melo.

They drafted Magic and WOrthy for Jabbar and great role players.

We talking Kareem! One of the 10 best players to grace the planet. One of top 5 big men of all time. Might even say 1 or 2.

Melo is Glen Rice or Glenn Robinson in their primes. He is Bernard King? Dr. J?

My jury is out on this. I don't know.

This is also what I fear. Unless you think Melo is in the same level as Kareem then you don't make this trade as currently reported. Also, it will take a long time and a lot of luck to become a title contender.

Knickoftime wrote:

Andrew wrote:Did you skip this offseason where the Knicks would have cap space? I think that is where your opportunity is to add to the roster.

I did not.

Amare $18.2
Felton 7.6
Turiaf - 4.4
Gallo $4.2
Mozgov $3.3
TD $1.1
Williams $1.0
Walker .9
Rautins $.8
Fields $.8
2011 First Round $1.25

this is assuming you let Randolph go.

$43.88

Chandler's new deal is at LEAST $8, perhaps more (and anyone thinking Chandler isn't going to hold out for as big a deal as he can get after he's been dangled for 'Melo and the Knicks have made it clear he is not in their plans if 'Melo becomes a free agent, you're kidding yourselves).

So assuming the cap rises again to $58, you got roughly $6m to spend.

Look up the free agent class of 2011. What unrestricted free agent who won't command more than $6m on the market represents a upgrade?

If Melo enters UFA status in the summer then Chandler will be let go. Melo can then sign the max with the Knicks.

Knickoftime wrote:

Andrew wrote:Did you skip this offseason where the Knicks would have cap space? I think that is where your opportunity is to add to the roster.

I did not.

Amare $18.2
Felton 7.6
Turiaf - 4.4
Gallo $4.2
Mozgov $3.3
TD $1.1
Williams $1.0
Walker .9
Rautins $.8
Fields $.8
2011 First Round $1.25

this is assuming you let Randolph go.

$43.88

Chandler's new deal is at LEAST $8, perhaps more (and anyone thinking Chandler isn't going to hold out for as big a deal as he can get after he's been dangled for 'Melo and the Knicks have made it clear he is not in their plans if 'Melo becomes a free agent, you're kidding yourselves).

So assuming the cap rises again to $58, you got roughly $6m to spend.

Look up the free agent class of 2011. What unrestricted free agent who won't command more than $6m on the market represents a upgrade?

I think in this scenario you have to keep Chandler's cap hold slotted at 6M, since the Knicks would end up signing him after using up their FA cap space.

A starting salary of 8M nets you a decent player.

A sign and trade while sending out a small amount of salary can get you a higher priced player using your cap space.

Renouncing Chandler would free up the remaining 6M and gives you 14M to sign 1 very high priced player or 2 very serviceable players.

There are some good options there to consider.